PA - Assassination attempt, shooting injures former POTUS Donald Trump, leaves 1 spectator deceased two in critical condition, 13 July 2024 #5

[Chimera]

I think the "they" being referred to were the local/county/state LE, not the Secret Service.

Unless the local LE had communicated that to SS, they wouldn't know. The weak link was local LE. SS are mere mortals like the rest of us. They don't have powers of telepathy, mind reading or the ability to fly or materialize in any location at will. JMO

That doesn't fit the current narrative in some groups, but its accurate.

Problem solved with indoor rallies. Many people are growing cynical about these outdoor rallies, from both sides. Voters want more substance instead of "my rally is bigger than yours".

Bbm.
I have a different take, with the first bolded.
The local LE may have been anything from trained sharpshooters ( Wasn't said there was an outside source who were a trained Swat unit ? As in, subcontracted ?) to cops assigned to traffic duty.

The bulk of the responsibility would have been with the secret service whose main job is to detect possible threats and protect the former potus and the crowd.
Imo.

Second bolded : It's more like some people draw a bigger crowd than others. That's just how it is.
Omo.

 

[Chimera]

Local SWAT team blames Trump assassination attempt on lack of planning, communication

Members of the local SWAT team on duty at the Butler Trump rally told ABC News that a lack of planning and communication resulted in the failure to protect Donald Trump.

abcnews.go.com

The sniper and his fellow Beaver County SWAT officers were assigned to Trump's Butler campaign rally, and tasked with supporting the Secret Service and other law enforcement in the mission to keep the event and Secret Service protectee, safe.
Rbm.
They (local LEO's) were not running the show, so to speak.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/10/politics/snipers-detail-breakdowns-trump-assassination-attempt-invs/index.html

“Could it have been avoided? Absolutely,” said Det. Pat Young, commander of the Beaver County SWAT team and Nicol’s boss. “And should it have been avoided? Yeah, absolutely.”
A Butler sniper leader who met Nicol and his partners at the AGR building told them their mission was to look out those windows and scan the area for threats, Nicol said
Over the next 13 minutes, Nicol attempted to pass his concerns up the chain of command.
The state trooper then conveyed the information to Secret Service agents also in the command post at approximately 5:44 p.m.

The secret service were notified.
They did nothing.
There was time to act.

The burden of blame is more on them than anyone else; their job is to neutralize threats.

Some good maps at the Cnn link.

All of this happened in an area that wasn't overly large for the secret service to handle.

Secret Service blames local police, says they were tasked with securing properties surrounding Trump’s Pa. rally

BUTLER, Pa. — The Secret Service blamed local police for failing to secure the rooftop from which gunman Thomas Matthew Crooks attempted to assassinate former President Donald Trump, insistin…

nypost.com

Pennsylvania police confirmed they assisted the Secret Service and regularly do so when high-profile government officials come to town, but that the federal agency ultimately runs the show.
Attendees reported seeing 20-year-old Thomas Crooks acting suspiciously near rally metal detectors, according to CNN, with local law enforcement being notified and broadcasting warnings over their radios to the Secret Service to be on the lookout for him.

Included is a photo of a gate at the edge of the rally.
Good work in securing that gate, secret service !
Even if they weren't the ones who used zip ties, they should have noticed it wasn't secured.
A good pair of Fiskars could cut the ties quickly.
Wire or bolt cutters would get that chain undone.
After that, a truck could easily have been driven through the fence.
Smh.


Omo.

 

[CCJD]

Butler County law enforcement set aside radios for the U.S. Secret Service to use at the July 13 campaign rally for former President Donald Trump, but the federal law enforcement agency did not retrieve the radios, according to a preliminary investigative report released Aug. 15 by Congressman Clay Higgins, R-Lousiana.

Congressman’s report: Radios were offered to Secret Service at Butler County Trump rally

Butler County law enforcement set aside radios for the U.S. Secret Service to use at the July 13 campaign rally for former President Donald Trump, but the federal law enforcement agency did not retrie...

www.butlereagle.com

 

[Mica]

The FBI are the ones who give permission for the release of the body. It's in the Preliminary Investigation Report that @Mica linked.

"Yes, Butler County Coroner technically had legal authority over the body, but I spoke with the Coroner, and he would have never released Crooks’ body to the family for cremation or burial without specific permission from the FBI."

It sounds, to me, as if the congressman who wrote the report doesn't trust the Coroner or the FBI. Or just wanted to see the body for himself, instead of reading the reports and viewing all of the photos. Though I don't think he is a Coroner himself, so I am not sure what else the body would have told him.

imo

From Rep. Clay Higgins report (link above)…paragraph 2 explains Higgins reasons for wanting to see the body.

 

[PrairieWind]

The FBI are the ones who give permission for the release of the body. It's in the Preliminary Investigation Report that @Mica linked.

"Yes, Butler County Coroner technically had legal authority over the body, but I spoke with the Coroner, and he would have never released Crooks’ body to the family for cremation or burial without specific permission from the FBI."

It sounds, to me, as if the congressman who wrote the report doesn't trust the Coroner or the FBI. Or just wanted to see the body for himself, instead of reading the reports and viewing all of the photos. Though I don't think he is a Coroner himself, so I am not sure what else the body would have told him.

imo

I'm still confused here. Did the coroner release the body or not?

 

[PrairieWind]

I think it is a Federal law that an employer must allow their employee time to pump when the need is there. It is pretty painful to not be able to relieve the pressure.

I guess that if family was there, caring for the infant, the time taken to feed would be equivalent to the time it takes to pump. And it would avoid trying to find somewhere to store the equipment for pumping and then keeping the milk cold.

US Dept of Labor - FLSA Protections to Pump at Work

Yes, but she should not have been on an assignment that would be jeopardized by the the breastfeeding. A reasonable accommodation would have been a different assignment. There has to be an attempt to come up with a plan agreed to and this seems to have been a surprise to the SS. The breastfeeding employee has obligations as well.

 

[layer]

A good pair of Fiskars could cut the ties quickly.
Wire or bolt cutters would get that chain undone.
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Omo.

Actually... why cut off the ladder rungs they installed for you to hop right through that wide opening at the top?

 

[Seattle1]

I'm still confused here. Did the coroner release the body or not?

I think they are saying that the Butler County Coroner released the body to the family for cremation on July 13, ten days after the shooting, but that specific authorization to release the body had to come from the FBI.

Seems the Congressmen have the same complaint that the FBI also released the crime scene too soon-- including that FBI released first responders the night of the shooting, causing several to express “everything from surprise to dismay to suspicion” during interviews.

Nonetheless, neither the FBI, SS will comment, and reporters calls to the Butler County Coroner have not been returned.

Trump assassination attempt task force member questions FBI over evidence, gunman's body

WASHINGTON — A Louisiana congressman on the House task force investigating the July 13 assassination attempt of Donald Trump in Butler took the FBI...

www.post-gazette.com