PA - Assassination attempt, shooting injures former POTUS Donald Trump, leaves 1 spectator deceased two in critical condition, 13 July 2024 #5

[SouthAussie]

None of this is true -- she abandoned her post without warning or being authorized to do so, and the breach by this woman wasn't discovered until the Agent in charge swept her post!


^^rsbm

https://twitter.com/x/status/1824059727766290534

I am going to have to agree to disagree. As we do not know if she was alone at her post. And we do not know who else knew about her break, said (perhaps) "okay, go now". We only know that the site supervisor was not aware.
In other words, perhaps her fellow co-workers were aware.

imo

 

[Chimera]

The emphasis is on "reasonable accommodations".

Yes, you can, but she should have made arrangements ahead of time to leave her station and a replacement agent should have been assigned for the time period that she was breastfeeding.

SS agents are human, they need to eat and use restrooms just like everyone else. They also get sick and suffer from minor emergencies just like the rest of us. Obviously they must have some sort of arrangements for breaks worked out.
In this case, it appears they did not.

Agreed.
Also wanted to add that a competent secret service agent would have made those arrangements ahead of time !

Raises some eyebrows as to what kind of people the former director of the secret service, K. Cheatle, was in the habit of hiring ?
Maybe she should have made better choices.

It doesn't matter what her post was or if she was alone.

What matters ....
•Left her post without permission
•Escorted unauthorized family members into a HIGH secured area, like it was a back stage VIP pass
•She and her family were in a tent reserved for a protectee emergency.

Like any job, a person doesn't just walk off and do their own thing when they chose. She violated many polices and requires immediately termination.

What if surgeons walk out of a surgery, an airline pilot walks out of the cockpit, police officer walks out during a shooting? There are many jobs that folks don't/can't walk off on a whim. Even at McDonald's breaks are scheduled.


Like @Seattle1 stated it doesn't matter WHAT she was doing. She was NOT doing what she was paid to do.

Moo....

All good points made.^^^

People have been let go for walking away from all sorts of places of employment.
What if her family members had been asked to leave in the event of an emergency ?
Even though the former potus was escorted to a vehicle to go to the hospital , what if even more people had been shot and injured ?
The tent would have been commandeered for triage, correct ?

Would the SS woman's family been ok with being requested to leave ?
It takes time to pack up a babies' things, including if they had a pack-n-play (portable playpen).
That could have become a problem if multiple people needed treatment on site.
And on and on.
This SS woman needs to be fired.
Omo.

 

[RANCH]

I am going to have to agree to disagree. As we do not know if she was alone at her post. And we do not know who else knew about her break, said (perhaps) "okay, go now". We only know that the site supervisor was not aware.
In other words, perhaps her fellow co-workers were aware.

imo

Any coworkers who may have been complicit in the agents failure should also be investigated and punished accordingly. JMO.

 

[shotgun09]

One would think that after the fiasco of the SS failures on July 13, admitted to by the top Officer and having resigned in disgrace, that the new Director along with all staff would have been on their toes to perform the job expertly. They have been under the microscope for cryin out loud. Instead, we get SS staff breaking and entering, and another leaving her post to breast feed a baby and entertain family. All, while the VP of the US was your protectee. Make it make sense !!

 

[RANCH]

I am going to have to agree to disagree. As we do not know if she was alone at her post. And we do not know who else knew about her break, said (perhaps) "okay, go now". We only know that the site supervisor was not aware.
In other words, perhaps her fellow co-workers were aware.

imo

DBM

 

[Seattle1]

Any coworkers who may have been complicit in the agents failure should also be investigated and punished accordingly. JMO.

Absolutely... It's not like she was the night clerk at the Hilton! These are federal agents on protective assignment. I'm wondering who's running the Atlanta Office where the agent in question was from?

 

[Seattle1]

United States Secret Service

PROTECTION

• Protecting Leaders
• Safeguarding Places
• Securing Events
• National Threat Assessment

Protecting Leaders

We engage in round-the-clock protective operations on a global scale to ensure the safety of top U.S. and visiting foreign national leadership.

www.secretservice.gov

The Job of a Special Agent

www.secretservice.gov

 

[Betty P]

Local SWAT team blames Trump assassination attempt on lack of planning, communication

Members of the local SWAT team on duty at the Butler Trump rally told ABC News that a lack of planning and communication resulted in the failure to protect Donald Trump.

abcnews.go.com

The sniper and his fellow Beaver County SWAT officers were assigned to Trump's Butler campaign rally, and tasked with supporting the Secret Service and other law enforcement in the mission to keep the event and Secret Service protectee, safe.
Rbm.
They (local LEO's) were not running the show, so to speak.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/10/politics/snipers-detail-breakdowns-trump-assassination-attempt-invs/index.html

“Could it have been avoided? Absolutely,” said Det. Pat Young, commander of the Beaver County SWAT team and Nicol’s boss. “And should it have been avoided? Yeah, absolutely.”
A Butler sniper leader who met Nicol and his partners at the AGR building told them their mission was to look out those windows and scan the area for threats, Nicol said
Over the next 13 minutes, Nicol attempted to pass his concerns up the chain of command.
The state trooper then conveyed the information to Secret Service agents also in the command post at approximately 5:44 p.m.

The secret service were notified.
They did nothing.
There was time to act.

The burden of blame is more on them than anyone else; their job is to neutralize threats.

Some good maps at the Cnn link.

All of this happened in an area that wasn't overly large for the secret service to handle.

Secret Service blames local police, says they were tasked with securing properties surrounding Trump’s Pa. rally

BUTLER, Pa. — The Secret Service blamed local police for failing to secure the rooftop from which gunman Thomas Matthew Crooks attempted to assassinate former President Donald Trump, insistin…

nypost.com

Pennsylvania police confirmed they assisted the Secret Service and regularly do so when high-profile government officials come to town, but that the federal agency ultimately runs the show.
Attendees reported seeing 20-year-old Thomas Crooks acting suspiciously near rally metal detectors, according to CNN, with local law enforcement being notified and broadcasting warnings over their radios to the Secret Service to be on the lookout for him.

Included is a photo of a gate at the edge of the rally.
Good work in securing that gate, secret service !
Even if they weren't the ones who used zip ties, they should have noticed it wasn't secured.
A good pair of Fiskars could cut the ties quickly.
Wire or bolt cutters would get that chain undone.
After that, a truck could easily have been driven through the fence.
Smh.

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Omo.

Junky facilities in poor repair. Never should have been approved for an outdoor rally. The SS should have refused and made them change to a better venue.

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[Chimera]

Absolutely a change of venue. Not saying it still couldn't be held outdoors.
The question is : WHY was this poorly-secured place allowed to proceed ???
Omo.

 

[steeltowngirl]

CNN —
Former Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle has been assigned a security detail amid continued threats, including in-person confrontations and threats posted online, a law enforcement source told CNN.

Several other Secret Service agents have received threats following the near-assassination last month of former President Donald Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania, according to another source familiar with the matter. While those threats are being monitored, it’s unclear what other security measures have been taken.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/16/politics/former-secret-service-director-assigned-security-amid-threats/index.html

 

[Sundog]

Junky facilities in poor repair. Never should have been approved for an outdoor rally. The SS should have refused and made them change to a better venue.

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The Farm Show grounds in Butler County are not "junky facilities," the site is home to the annual Farm Show that has been operating at the site for 76 years. The Board of the Farm Show rented the site to the Trump campaign who brought in their own stage, grandstands, etc. and it was SS or LE or both that put up the fences and secured them (or didn't secure them). And the Farm Show lost some rentals during the two weeks after the rally due to the FBI closing the site for their investigation.

I think it is unfair to call the Butler Farm Show site "junky" given that the site that was provided was just the fields and LE, SS, and the campaign are the entities that put up the staging, fencing, etc. If it was "junky," then it's on the Secret Service who was responsible for the security setup.

Site of Trump rally shooting unrecognizable for 76th annual Butler Farm Show

Dairy cows, tractors, a watermelon-eating contest, the “World’s Largest Demolition Derby” and more overtake the site

www.post-gazette.com

 

[RANCH]

Junky facilities in poor repair. Never should have been approved for an outdoor rally. The SS should have refused and made them change to a better venue.

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I'm not sure if the Secret Service is up to the job of analyzing and approving campaign locations after their recent failures have come to light.

I have a feeling that some local PD's could do a better job at providing security for these events. JMO.

 

[Sundog]

Absolutely a change of venue. Not saying it still couldn't be held outdoors.
The question is : WHY was this poorly-secured place allowed to proceed ???
Omo.

Exactly, the problem wasn't the venue itself, but that the venue was poorly secured.

 

[Chimera]

The Farm Show grounds in Butler County are not "junky facilities," the site is home to the annual Farm Show that has been operating at the site for 76 years. The Board of the Farm Show rented the site to the Trump campaign who brought in their own stage, grandstands, etc. and it was SS or LE or both that put up the fences and secured them (or didn't secure them). And the Farm Show lost some rentals during the two weeks after the rally due to the FBI closing the site for their investigation.

I think it is unfair to call the Butler Farm Show site "junky" given that the site that was provided was just the fields and LE, SS, and the campaign are the entities that put up the staging, fencing, etc. If it was "junky," then it's on the Secret Service who was responsible for the security setup.

Site of Trump rally shooting unrecognizable for 76th annual Butler Farm Show

Dairy cows, tractors, a watermelon-eating contest, the “World’s Largest Demolition Derby” and more overtake the site

www.post-gazette.com

Thanks for clarifying.
The closeness of the buildings that weren't secured makes me cringe.
Omo.