GUILTY PA - Christina Regusters for kidnap, rape of 5yo girl, Philadelphia, 14 Jan 2013 - #2

[tlcya]

:moo::great:I believe the perp is someone familiar with the "laxed" school atmosphere. They seemed undaunted by the possibility of encountering problems with "security" measures.:moo: Also they were comfortable knowing how to bypass the main office, navigate their way directly to the exact classroom and sure to be unimpeded as they reached their destination.:moo: I would further venture to say this intimate knowledge of the environment, provided the awareness in advance that there was a substitute.To have gambled otherwise would have been an extraordinary stroke of luck. :twocents::twocents:

I agree. And further will speculate that given it is reported there were otehr children in the house nearby she was taken to, I must wonder if any of those children attend this school.

 

[tlcya]

RSBM. I see nothing wrong in volunteering after school is adjurned in doing all you mentioned and am sure the school appreciates their involvement. I just have a problem with parents being allowed to walk in willy-nilly around the halls without the school's knowledge during class time. Really, I was specifically asking about volunteers in the classroom itself; from comments, I was under the assumption people/parents were now involved in the actual teaching or a teacher's aide per se and not an actual employee of the school. As mentioned, I was never a parent and am ancient, lol, so procedures or perceptions have changed if this is true; but I just can't understand what makes a teacher's job so hard to do in the classroom anymore to need that? AND...I support teachers to the fullest...hold them in high regard for the future of our children. I had many I have fond memories of...so please don't think I'm picking on them personally. :blushing:

things have changed a great deal since our elementary school days Without experiencing the education system up close and personal recently you I can't blame you for not knowing how very much things have changed.

 

[countryfox]

I was blown away by the article so I googled the woman's name, Mimi Ramsey. I found the following two videos -- the first one is very important but the second one must be watched also. I'm speechless. I'm in complete awe of this woman but horrified at this practice of FGM:

Scars of Silence part one -Mimi Ramsey - YouTube
Scars of Silence Part Two- Mimi Ramsey - YouTube

OMGlease:lease:lease:...THIS IS SO UPSETTING!!!!

 

[tlcya]

I have actually volunteered very recently in DS's classroom for the day. I assisted in helping kids with reading and on their expository essay writing. It was a very enjoyable experience and helped me gain a better understanding of the new teaching methods which sometimes confuse me when homework comes home and it is done differently than in my day :blush:

But those types of visits by parents are usually scheduled well in advance with input and agreement from the teacher.

There are also many honorary grandparent volunteers who spend a great deal of time in the classroom during teaching time, doing the same tasks I did that day.

But I agree, people shoould not be wandering in all willy nilly about the school.

 

[countryfox]

I really don't understand why it's so hard to find these people. The child was kidnapped in broad daylight, kidnapper appear to have targeted specific child (not a random crime, which is harder to solve), yet here we are and no arrests or named suspects.

Here they're working within a limited area, canvassing door-to-door and still no substantial leads...It's as though they are ghosts or something...can not figure why they are so untracable:banghead:

 

[CarmelEyesD]

Here is the documentary FyreEyes by Soraya Mire mentioned in the link by Belimom if anyone wants to see it..(very graphic)

http://www.cultureunplugged.com/play/1554/Fire-Eyes

 

[Dr. Know?]

Move out some and keep hounding the area of interest?

At the area of interest I'm sure they are doing some of these things, it's costly but hey, get 'em. Get search warrants for suspicious backyards if they need too. Garages. Ask for DNA? (Jessica Ridgeway case) Of course voluntarily if that's what needs to be done. I know, that costs a lot. If you are going door to door ask all members of the house to fill it out a questionaire. (Isabel Celis case) Might help?

I think a city can exhaust their budgets and time doing some of this, by procedure & budget restraints. Instinct might help solve this.

Good reading today. I'm not sure what has occured to this little child but it's horrendous as it is with any other child who's experienced a horrific assault. My thoughts are with her and her mother & family.

Any update on Chelsea Ramsey-Jones would be greatly appreciated too. I am very concerned what has happened to her. tia

 

[Abby Normal Again]

RSBM. I see nothing wrong in volunteering after school is adjurned in doing all you mentioned and am sure the school appreciates their involvement. I just have a problem with parents being allowed to walk in willy-nilly around the halls without the school's knowledge during class time. Really, I was specifically asking about volunteers in the classroom itself; from comments, I was under the assumption people/parents were now involved in the actual teaching or a teacher's aide per se and not an actual employee of the school. As mentioned, I was never a parent and am ancient, lol, so procedures or perceptions have changed if this is true; but I just can't understand what makes a teacher's job so hard to do in the classroom anymore to need that? AND...I support teachers to the fullest...hold them in high regard for the future of our children. I had many I have fond memories of...so please don't think I'm picking on them personally. :blushing:

I totally get where you are coming from. It's changed so much since I was in school.

You know, years ago we didn't really talk about learning styles or multisensory modalities- much less common core, FAPE (free and appropriate education), ESL (English as a second language), continued education, and learning differences. Teachers at one time were able to present information in one form and method for the most part. Now teachers are asked to meet each child where they are in order for that education to be appropriate to the individual. They appreciate all the help they can get that will give them more time dedicated to individualized efforts.

Sometimes those efforts are in the classroom- I've helped with typical learners questions' during writing time, so the teacher could walk around and provide more comprehensive answers to struggling writers. Sometimes those efforts are outside of the classroom- making copies, laminating, etc so they can try and get home for dinner with their family. We do put a bigger work load on our teachers today than we did even 30 years ago.

While people are calling for education reform, I personally feel like that reform is already slowly in motion.

 

[tlcya]

Valid point. However, if he doesn't have kids, there's a decent chance that as a man, he scooped her up bride over the threshold style. Men tend not to carry kids on their hips because... well... they don't have hips. Children they know tend to be carried on their shoulders or piggyback. A child unfamiliar and hurt, I think he'd have scooped up. That being said, I think he does know more than he's saying publicly. He must. And that makes him more of a hero.

I saw it mentioned in one of the articles about him finding her that he has a child, little boy, I believe, similar in age to N. That is why he was so glad he went and investigated the cry/mewling he heard from the direction of the park. As a father he was horrified to find a nearly naked child cowering beneath a piece of playground equipment and called 911.

 

[JustBecause]

But when I saw the child being carried cradle style, I wondered about injuries. By the time kids are 5 they are so much easier to carry upright. I am worried about this poor baby girl either way. Whatever happened, it was very very awful for her.


I didn't think much of it, mainly because it seemed to me, like mom was cradling her to shield her. Her daughter was traumatized, and if that were my daughter, I'd want to carry her past cameras and groups of people with her close to me, too. She had a jacket over her head as well to cover her face. Right now, mom is the one she's leaning on to protect her. A child on the hip is a more casual holding technique.
IMO, of course

 

[hollyblue]

I have actually volunteered very recently in DS's classroom for the day. I assisted in helping kids with reading and on their expository essay writing. It was a very enjoyable experience and helped me gain a better understanding of the new teaching methods which sometimes confuse me when homework comes home and it is done differently than in my day :blush:

But those types of visits by parents are usually scheduled well in advance with input and agreement from the teacher.

There are also many honorary grandparent volunteers who spend a great deal of time in the classroom during teaching time, doing the same tasks I did that day.

But I agree, people shoould not be wandering in all willy nilly about the school.

Wow...I'll have to take this in and digest it a little more....not too comfy with it, tbh. Appreciate you and others volunteering and the commitment.. it's commendable, but at the same time wonder about the teacher/child relationship and how it could be affected. Most of all... about safety and security of the children How would the teacher or school know if they are inviting a perp of some kind? What would be the outcome if it came to be a volunteer harmed a child they met doing so? How many volunteers have access on a daily basis, etc.? Geez, now I just envision dozens of unknowns just buzzing the hallways....and how would anyone know who's not suppose there?

 

[Abby Normal Again]

Valid point. However, if he doesn't have kids, there's a decent chance that as a man, he scooped her up bride over the threshold style. Men tend not to carry kids on their hips because... well... they don't have hips. Children they know tend to be carried on their shoulders or piggyback. A child unfamiliar and hurt, I think he'd have scooped up. That being said, I think he does know more than he's saying publicly. He must. And that makes him more of a hero.

He does for sure have kids, but I agree about varied carry positions for men. My husband picked up the kids onto his arm. Like they are seated on his arm and brought into his chest to be secure, leveraging his arms and upper body strength.

 

[Abby Normal Again]

Wow...I'll have to take this in and digest it a little more....not too comfy with it, tbh. Appreciate you and others volunteering and the commitment.. it's commendable, but at the same time wonder about the teacher/child relationship and how it could be affected. Most of all... about safety and security of the children How would the teacher or school know if they are inviting a perp of some kind? What would be the outcome if it came to be a volunteer harmed a child they met doing so? How many volunteers have access on a daily basis, etc.? Geez, now I just envision dozens of unknowns just buzzing the hallways....and how would anyone know who's not suppose there?

Volunteers aren't unknown, I promise. Most schools have about 15-20 of us that they see every day and know really well.

Many districts also have mandatory background checks. We have to show our ID every time we go in, even though they see us all the time. It's silly, but it's procedure.

Schools vary, but there is usually some outward proof that you've checked in. Our school has printed nametags with our state license picture on it for comparison. Anyone without a tag visible is stopped- and actually volunteers are known to check that too, so they can actually reduce random folks walking around. You get to know who is supposed to be there and who isn't. It's more eyes for our kids, not less.

ETA-At school events I actually stand at a hall entrance and make sure nobody passes into the hall without a badge. Someone else stands at the other hall. This is after the original checkpoint where people are being asked to check in, just to make sure nobody gets through the cracks. We check badges and direct people back to the office if they don't have one. They get checked in and have to show that they are on a students "safe to be picked up by" list. Volunteers help improve safety... if there had been 10 volunteers in this young girl's school that morning, there is a greater chance they'd have realized sooner that something was hinky because it's more eyes and ears to notice it- and if I'm being honest, to talk about it.

 

[Dr. Know?]

I don't think our hero knew if she was bleeding or not. She had on a dark or black colored t-shirt and it was wet. He wouldn't know until he let her go and saw his clothes possibly & I don't think he put her down until police or medics arrived. gah that's hard to write.

 

[necco]

He does for sure have kids, but I agree about varied carry positions for men. My husband picked up the kids onto his arm. Like they are seated on his arm and brought into his chest to be secure, leveraging his arms and upper body strength.

Yeah, it is simply a matter of men being built differently than women. A hip is a natural "shelf" to rest a child on. As is a tush. Men tend to be straight torsoed rather than hourglassed.

 

[countryfox]

I agree. And further will speculate that given it is reported there were otehr children in the house nearby she was taken to, I must wonder if any of those children attend this school.

Excellent deduction!!! Unless the children mentioned are enrolled in private or charter school, they are assigned by neighborhood. Therefore there is a strong possibility they :websleuther: either attend or attended the same school, provided they resided at the address.

 

[Abby Normal Again]

But when I saw the child being carried cradle style, I wondered about injuries. By the time kids are 5 they are so much easier to carry upright. I am worried about this poor baby girl either way. Whatever happened, it was very very awful for her.


I didn't think much of it, mainly because it seemed to me, like mom was cradling her to shield her. Her daughter was traumatized, and if that we're my daughter, I'd want to carry her past cameras and groups of people with her close to me. She had a jacket over her head as well to cover her face. Right now, mom is the one she's leaning on to protect her. A child on the hip is a more casual holding technique.
IMO, of course

I thought about that too- but I still think I'd carry her with her head on my shoulder style, because you can move more swiftly and carefully and still cover them with a light blanket easily.

I'm a small woman, though, so it may be less of an issue for taller/bigger people. A 5 year old is 60% my size, so it is a struggle to try and carry them in that position at that age. It may be something that's a non-issue to most others.

 

[hollyblue]

I totally get where you are coming from. It's changed so much since I was in school.

You know, years ago we didn't really talk about learning styles or multisensory modalities- much less common core, FAPE (free and appropriate education), ESL (English as a second language), continued education, and learning differences. Teachers at one time were able to present information in one form and method for the most part. Now teachers are asked to meet each child where they are in order for that education to be appropriate to the individual. They appreciate all the help they can get that will give them more time dedicated to individualized efforts.

Sometimes those efforts are in the classroom- I've helped with typical learners questions' during writing time, so the teacher could walk around and provide more comprehensive answers to struggling writers. Sometimes those efforts are outside of the classroom- making copies, laminating, etc so they can try and get home for dinner with their family. We do put a bigger work load on our teachers today than we did even 30 years ago.

While people are calling for education reform, I personally feel like that reform is already slowly in motion.

BBM: That's insane, imo. Thank you for the insight on the expectations our teachers are now facing. I understand, but can't imagine what new structure the reform will take to meet these needs. It's overwhelming.

 

[CHERIE.T]

This was reported yesterday:

"This child, this five-year-old, went through an unspeakable experience," said Capt. John Darby. "Things may never return to normal for this child."

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news...n-Abduction-of-5-Year-Old-Girl-188226031.html

My gawd, what did she endure? :what:

 

[CHERIE.T]

This was reported yesterday:

"This child, this five-year-old, went through an unspeakable experience," said Capt. John Darby. "Things may never return to normal for this child."

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news...n-Abduction-of-5-Year-Old-Girl-188226031.html

I'm getting madder and madder.