PA PA - Kortne Ciera Stouffer, 21, Palmyra, 29 July 2012 - #2

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Thanks, Epiphany. As hungry as I am for information, I'm pleased that the neighbors are holding their tongues for the purpose of the investigation.

It's probably impossible to conclude that she was shoeless
: She could have taken off her partying shoes and changed into something more comfortable; that's certainly the first thing, my girlfriend does when we return from a social gathering.

After the police visit(s) and with a somewhat hostile neighbor, she might have decided to leave the apartment to smoke a cigarette or joint outside. She was tired, but still wired at that hour.

Respectfully, BBM

Stouffer's father said he spoke with the male friend who claims he and Stouffer went to sleep and he awoke in the morning to find Stouffer gone; leaving behind her car keys, cell phone, and her shoes.

http://www.abc27.com/story/19277363...yra-woman-talks-about-night-out-in-harrisburg
 
Ok so I have seen a picture that I believe to be Kortne. Wearing a yellow tank top and black short shorts with red/green/blue flowers or splashes from the night in question at The Hardware bar.

Her face is turned but based on clothing alone, I'd BET it's her. She's with another individual that is friends with the friend that slept over.

Apparently who was out that night with her were really really inebriated.

Where is this picture?
 
"Walked away," not took a walk. Not sure what this means. Left on foot on her own accord to chill out?

"Walked away" from her life temporarily?

"Walked away" from another conflict?
 
I don't always wear something on my feet when I'm going outside, but that's usually only when I'm running upstairs or downstairs to catch a neighbor, or if I'm stepping outside to speak to someone.

Remember the clothes she was wearing that night/morning were missing, not her shoes.
She never went to sleep.

Not buying it.

I believe it was Kortne's mother who said all of her shoes were present.

I buy shoes all the time that no one knows about, so it would be difficult to tell if all my shoes were present.
 
If the clothing she was last seen wearing that evening and likely confirmed by CP [Guest] to be what he last saw her wearing...if that clothing is missing, I'd think that means Kortne likely never went to sleep in her bed that morning.
 
Speculation: As OPs have noted, I want to believe that LE has an idea or two of what happened, but obviously needs more.

Trying to let the sun beat down upon them and sweat friends, acquaintances, etc. out while the info they possess remains tight.
 
Has it been determined who she had the argument with at the pizza parlor and what the argument was about? Her friend alluded that she (KS) seemed angry but that was not normal for her in public.

Then you combine that statement with the friend being a good companion(my words) for protection that night. (since BF was not there)

Was there some on going threat or fear KS had going on in her life?
 
Has it been determined who she had the argument with at the pizza parlor and what the argument was about? Her friend alluded that she (KC) seemed angry but that was not normal for her in public.

Then you combine that statement with the friend being a good companion(my words) for protection that night. (since BF was not there)

Was there some on going threat or fear KC had going on in her life?

Without a link handy, all we know was she had an altercation with a female at the second bar (Hardware Bar), not pizzeria.

The "fear/protection" angle originated from a comment K's mother made on J-V Mitchell show. Our speculation was that she may have been afraid of her neighbor/another tenant:

W. STOUFFER: They were friends about two years ago. They would hang out and do stuff as a group of people. And since she`s been dating her boyfriend, she really didn`t have much contact with him.

I know that he had stopped by about a month ago. And that was the first time that her boyfriend had any interaction with him and met him. And I think because her boyfriend was away, she thought she could hang out with him and have somebody to protect her and hang out with. A guy friend to hang out with.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1208/09/ijvm.01.html
 
Thanks for the article above, Knox.

I believe him. As a young adult I don't think any of my male friends would have been too concerned with my whereabouts, considering the lifestyle I led. Kortne was obviously livid with everyone AND snookered. My gut is that she DID return and confront the neighbor again, possibly while taking out the dog. CP had passed out by that time and, in the morning,
hung over and groggy. Likely the reason it just came to him she was gone while he was getting coffee to combat his hangover. I don't see any reason why he would be required to check if her belongings were in the house or her keys in her vehicle?

My money is on that neighbor. But I've been wrong, of course.

MOO
 
One thing is for certain to me, this was NOT a stranger abduction i.e. someone unknown to Kortne happened by and grabbed her. This night was bizarre enough already to believe something like that also occurred.
 
As far as I can see, neither of these boys is in the position to "own" racehorses, they are blacksmiths.
 
One thing is for certain to me, this was NOT a stranger abduction i.e. someone unknown to Kortne happened by and grabbed her. This night was bizarre enough already to believe something like that also occurred.

For me as well: no stranger abduction. Additionally, I don't believe her BF is involved either. Further, she is not missing on her own accord.
 
For me as well: no stranger abduction. Additionally, I don't believe her BF is involved either. Further, she is not missing on her own accord.

I agree that the bf is likely not involved. However, I have not thrown out the possibility that his activities and associations could have contributed to this situation. I'm wondering about the possibility of intimidation or retribution. I will not go further with this here.
 
I agree that the bf is likely not involved. However, I have not thrown out the possibility that his activities and associations could have contributed to this situation. I'm wondering about the possibility of intimidation or retribution. I will not go further with this here.

Even if associations are less than stellar, IMO, the motive may still have been sexually-driven as is unfortunately often the case with many of our young adult missing females.
 
Ok so I have seen a picture that I believe to be Kortne. Wearing a yellow tank top and black short shorts with red/green/blue flowers or splashes from the night in question at The Hardware bar.

Her face is turned but based on clothing alone, I'd BET it's her. She's with another individual that is friends with the friend that slept over.

Apparently who was out that night with her were really really inebriated.

I have seen this picture on facebook as well. I know for certain it's her because I remember that photo being published somewhere the first day or two that this case broke. I have no idea where it was published but when I saw the picture on fb 4 or 5 days later I said to myself, so that's who else was in that picture!! I believe they scribbled out the male who was in the picture with her in the published copy.
 
One thing is for certain to me, this was NOT a stranger abduction i.e. someone unknown to Kortne happened by and grabbed her. This night was bizarre enough already to believe something like that also occurred.

I believe someone Kortne knows is responsible for her disappearance.
 
I have seen this picture on facebook as well. I know for certain it's her because I remember that photo being published somewhere the first day or two that this case broke. I have no idea where it was published but when I saw the picture on fb 4 or 5 days later I said to myself, so that's who else was in that picture!! I believe they scribbled out the male who was in the picture with her in the published copy.

And the picture to me suggests that they knew each other - this person w/ her in the picture. This wasn't a random person. This person also runs w/ CP and crew.

Comments made that day along the lines of having a crazy night, not remembering, drunk texts, etc.

So yea, the friend because of sexual reasons. The friend and his friends because of drugs and/or money OR a neighbor.
 
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