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hi guys...how soon after Ray left for Lewisburg did pf report him missing?
I was mulling over the documents in the first two parts of Final Argument and saw a few things:
1. RFG had a phone charger in the car. I had postulated that RFG might have turned off the phone to save the battery. That can be ruled out now.
Now, RFG did have voicemail and could have checked his messages in Lewisburg. That would let his phone ping off a tower in Lewisburg and could have been traced. He didn't do that. He was known to check messages, even on vacation.
2. While RFG generally becomes more empty after May, there is an email address written. It is to a company in Bellefonte, T. C. Transportation. They do bulk material hauling, things like gravel and road salt. Why would RFG have their e-mail written on the November, 2005, page?
3. The fingerprints of a secretary from the DA's Office were on the Mini, on the outside. When was she at the car, and what were the circumstances?
J., there was a lady described as an employee at the court house who said she saw Ray's Mini Cooper with him in it in the Centre County parking lot where they both worked.
She was the Fenton lady, right?
Is this the secretary whose fingerprints are now ID'd?
I guess there are many reasons for touching another person's car, like bending over to get a piece of debris out of high heeled open toe pumps. Dropping a bag and stopping to pick it up, and maybe leaning against or touching the car while getting back up. Depends on the age and size of the woman, too, I think.
I can think of about 10 not-so unusual reasons.
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I was mulling over the documents in the first two parts of Final Argument and saw a few things:
1. RFG had a phone charger in the car. I had postulated that RFG might have turned off the phone to save the battery. That can be ruled out now.
Now, RFG did have voicemail and could have checked his messages in Lewisburg. That would let his phone ping off a tower in Lewisburg and could have been traced. He didn't do that. He was known to check messages, even on vacation.
2. While RFG generally becomes more empty after May, there is an email address written. It is to a company in Bellefonte, T. C. Transportation. They do bulk material hauling, things like gravel and road salt. Why would RFG have their e-mail written on the November, 2005, page?
3. The fingerprints of a secretary from the DA's Office were on the Mini, on the outside. When was she at the car, and what were the circumstances?
Wasn’t the Fenton sighting of a man appearing to be Gricar in a car other than the mini?? And on the following day?
wow, thanks for all this.
was his phone traced? Do we know? If one plans to walk away why take the phone even off? Also at that point in time it was common to only turn the phone on to make a needed call. People didn’t have them on all the time, so that it was off doesn’t seem that weird to me. Speaking of what level of phone tracing was available at the time for a missing person?
Was it released where on the outside the fingerprints were? Which area of the vehicle?
This is the possible CH sighting we've known about, and was the one I was attempting to describe earlier.Fenton reported seeing RFG in another car behind the Courthouse (parking lot) on 4/1505 at about 3:00 PM. Grine saw it too but was not sure if it was 4/14 or 4/15. Fenton is on the tape on 4/15, but Gricar is not.
This is the possible CH sighting we've known about, and was the one I was attempting to describe earlier.
Yes, this is the "Fenton Sighting." One possibility that I have considered is that she confused the day and saw RFG on Thursday, 4/14/05. Judge Grine, the other witness, thought that it was either Thursday or Friday.
I believe Mr. Gricar loved PF and his daughter. He enjoyed a quiet life since his job's duties were likely very stressful. He very much looked forward to his upcoming retirement. He'd made plans to travel.
It's highly unlikely RG would take on a new life somewhere and abandon the two most important people in his life. Why would he wish for them years of pain and deep suffering by disappearing himself? That does not reconcile with the fine man of high moral character I believe Ray to be.
The following theory may be the most plausible reason for Mr Gricar's disappearance:
"A state prison inmate had written to Buehner about his cellmate who was from Centre County. The cellmate told the inmate that he was involved in Gricar's disappearance in Lewisburg on April 15, 2005, and that Gricar had "ran afoul of a person who was in the witness protection program," Buehner said."
Well, not sure even hypnotherapy would help this far out. But- it would have in the beginning!!! ( trained Psychiatrist, amenable subject usually resolves something as simple as this.)
I think most people do slightly different things on Fridays than on their other work days. Make a dinner reservation or other plans for Saturday, try to clear their desks for a clean start Monday AM, maybe make a mental note to go visit mama 'n them on Sunday.
We don't do those things on Thursdays, usually, because it cuts into the fact that we have to come back to work the next day.
I don't know anything about the Fenton lady, other than at one time, there was a description of a car larger than a Mini Cooper ( easy peasy there) in a metallic silver-ish color associated with her memories. Am I right? I'm running on 2 cylinders today. Unexplained high fever, and of course I had my Moderna COVID vaccines. So if this is loopy, please forgive me. If I didn't care so much, I'd be under my quilts trying to get warm.
You know how it goes, dear J.
Interesting post in the Jennifer Shadle Thread by JetBoyMusic
"State College politics, law enforcement, etc. is one of the most corrupt in the country, mostly due to PSU being here, a now-former DA who was caught breaking the law over and over again, a still-missing former DA, Ray Gricar, who first investigated Jerry Sandusky and the PSU Athletics Department, aka Joe Paterno, Tim Curly, Spanier, and the rest...Also, what a lot of people don't realize about State College, PA is that we have 4 local police departments just in State College alone, then you have multiple surrounding local police departments that sneak into town, like from Bellefonte, then you have PSU police in-between all of the local police, then you have multiple state police departments. It's a mess...Oh, I was born and raised in a tiny little town about 20 minutes away and have lived in State College since 2002, so unfortunately I've lived here my entire life...and "Happy Valley" it's not..."
I was mulling over the documents in the first two parts of Final Argument and saw a few things:
1. RFG had a phone charger in the car. I had postulated that RFG might have turned off the phone to save the battery. That can be ruled out now.
Now, RFG did have voicemail and could have checked his messages in Lewisburg. That would let his phone ping off a tower in Lewisburg and could have been traced. He didn't do that. He was known to check messages, even on vacation.
2. While RFG generally becomes more empty after May, there is an email address written. It is to a company in Bellefonte, T. C. Transportation. They do bulk material hauling, things like gravel and road salt. Why would RFG have their e-mail written on the November, 2005, page?
3. The fingerprints of a secretary from the DA's Office were on the Mini, on the outside. When was she at the car, and what were the circumstances?
In regards to #1 and #2, I read these as your wheels turning a bit with these new pieces of information....do you care to expand?
In the first case, I thought that it was possible that RFG turned off his phone to save the battery. He could check his messages every few hours and still save the battery. If he has a charger with him, that isn't the reason. So, why turn off his phone?
The only reason that I can come up with is that he didn't want someone trying to ping his phone and see where he was. There is only one group that, realistically, could find his location by pinging his phone, law enforcement. So, why doesn't RFG want LE to know where his phone is located? The could be several reasons for that.
The second just sends up a red flag. Maybe he was thinking about getting new gravel for the driveway. Of course, he doesn't have a gravel driveway, so that isn't the reason. So, why does he need this e-mail address?