PA - Tyler Osborne, 22, Boyertown, 29 Dec 2016 *Arrested*

[Vail]

I'm a little shocked that people here are siding with/relating to/sympathizing with a convicted child rapist? it's relatively rare for a girl to go ahead and actually press charges if you look at rape statistics compared to conviction rates. How are you all so sure that this 14 year old child lied about her age and looked older than she was when the only information you're getting is from a criminal's whiny facebook posts?

Well this is the thing isn't it? She wasn't really a child (I don't consider 15 a child - a young woman perhaps) and there is more than enough proof on social media of how it went down . If you look at the girl's SM, it is pretty clear he is probably not lying. There is also how he is telling his story and the evidence he is offering which implies sincerity. I know how I was at 15, and how boys were at 19, which is exactly why I don't think his situation merited the punishment, especially if the girl's mother didn't want to press charges. The judge then manipulating written law to basically give him more jail time AND a felony in exchenge for not making him register just serves to show how much this was about anything but protecting this girl from anything or anyone. Tyler made a stupid choice that a lot of teen guys make, but got in trouble for it, and his entire future and ability to support himself or have a career is clouded by his felony. There is no evidence of rape or violence in his case. He shouldn't have a felony charge but he also shouldn't have violated his parole. In the end, he is taking his 11 mos like a man and hopefully everthing works out for him. I know we can't talk about sleuthing others, but the girl is doing just fine - that's all I'll say about her.

 

[ninij9]

I know we can't post any fb rumors, but usually we at least do our sleuthing behind the scenes which I'm sure hasn't happened here because if it did nobody would be defending this . Apparently he's pretty great at the sympathy card. He's also apparently good a repeating the same "mistakes" with others. Disclaimer: MOO, JMO, IMHO.

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[proctorelites]

OMG this sounds just like my talks and exactly the quote ("I'm not an idiot Mom") I got as he would leave to go hang out with this girl because I was always so nervous with my sons meeting friends that they had met out and about and had established a texting friendship with. There's no age there for sure typing...and in our case the girl was very sexually charged (I printed over 1000 pages of smut she had posted) and we were gobsmacked when the bounty hunters -7 of them- showed up during the night with a felony warrant for my 17 year old son (scariest thing ever...they showed up 3 times during the night harassing ALL of us). While my son and our family went through 6 years of absolute HELL (lawyer/court costs costing enough to buy a house) he is now trying to live a happy life, but there are some challenges he will always face. The girl I might add seems to have continued on with her life landing an undesirable job no parent of a daughter would be too happy or proud of.

I think if the girls faced consequences they wouldn't be so quick to seek out these older boys and/or lie about their age. It's truly beyond tragic. There is no stat rape charge in many states...and you can't take it to trial because NO evidence is needed but the girls word. It sounds twisted and sick because it is. A spiteful girl can just say they had consensual sex....his life is destroyed!

ETA: sorry to rant off topic, but this really isn't off topic. Tyler isn't missing...he's scared.

No I totally understand. I also have a 13 yr old daughter. She isn't allowed to have any SM accounts. She has nvr had a bf and we won't be allowing her to date until she's older. She's really self aware bc she has matured much more quickly than her friends did. I just think some of this can be prevented with parental vigilence. However, I was a wild teenager so I watch her like a hawk lol For now she hasn't bucked this but I'm no fool, that time will come. Sometimes no matter what a parent does their kids just don't see the dangers. I would die if my daughter was taken advantage of. Statutory rape and rape are very very different charges. I'm actually shocked when a 17 yr old is charged for a mutual relationship he's had with a girl just a couple years his junior. Now a 30 yr old man that would upset me. I think it's the parents pure rage that add to this happening as well: when 2 teenagers "hook up" and the parent is mad as hell she's lost her virtue. I probably would be to though. It's a fine line. I've been brutally raped. Consensual sex and rape are very different things. But the age difference should be taken into account as with these charges. I won't lie I'd be down pressing charges if a 30 yr old man had consensual relations with my daughter omg. I just hope everybody can move on. Sounds like this caused alot of pain for everyone.

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[Hecallsmeraquel]

I know we can't post any fb rumors, but usually we at least do our sleuthing behind the scenes which I'm sure hasn't happened here because if it did nobody would be defending this . Apparently he's pretty great at the sympathy card. He's also apparently good a repeating the same "mistakes" with others. Disclaimer: MOO, JMO, IMHO.

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If he is a what are the girls? Do you have teenagers? Weren't you once a teenager yourself? I'll bite my tongue but while I do you should remember what the reality is and that girls are culpable in these decisions as well and know exactly what they are getting into.

 

[WideOpen]

Everyone needs to know and understand the age of consent laws in their state. We live in SC and it is totally legal for a 16 yo to have consensual sex with a man in his late 30's. or older. I know of two families whose teen daughters fell for this creep and they had no legal case. He met and preyed on them through the workplace and one girl he involved in a bisexual and drug fest. I hate pervs preying on innocent kids.

jmo

 

[Sassygerl]

No I totally understand. I also have a 13 yr old daughter. She isn't allowed to have any SM accounts. She has nvr had a bf and we won't be allowing her to date until she's older. She's really self aware bc she has matured much more quickly than her friends did. I just think some of this can be prevented with parental vigilence. However, I was a wild teenager so I watch her like a hawk lol For now she hasn't bucked this but I'm no fool, that time will come. Sometimes no matter what a parent does their kids just don't see the dangers. I would die if my daughter was taken advantage of. Statutory rape and rape are very very different charges.

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RSNBM yes I completely agree with you, however, in some states statutory rape does not exist...at all. It's aggravated assault. If the "victim" is under 14 (but lied saying she was older...a 14 year old and 16 year old first meeting and hanging out doesn't seem dangerous to even me) it's then aggravated because age of consent is 14. Therefore, it's illegal for anyone to have sex under 14. Even IF 2 - 13 year olds have consensual sex (yup it happens) it's against the law and BOTH are in trouble, yet not severe since 17 is the legal age for an adult in criminal court, yet 18 for civil court. So while a guy can be charged with aggravated sexual assault (Felony 1 - facing life) he also can get a ticket for smoking a cigarette. Makes no sense. At all.

To those calling him a you don't have kids...if so they are under 12. Thankfully I can scroll right on by.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I'm a little shocked that people here are siding with/relating to/sympathizing with a convicted child rapist? it's relatively rare for a girl to go ahead and actually press charges if you look at rape statistics compared to conviction rates. How are you all so sure that this 14 year old child lied about her age and looked older than she was when the only information you're getting is from a criminal's whiny facebook posts?

For me personally, it's not so much about siding with/relating to/sympathizing (although I have to admit, there is some of that)... it's more about the fact that young girls DO lie about their age, make every attempt to look/act older than they are, and then when things like this happen, they walk away without consequence. Absolutely zero punishment for them, while someone else's life ends up trashed. It's about as unfair and unjust as it can be.

moo.

 

[flower_girl]

I guess I'm just confused as to how you're all SO SURE that this is what happened in this case when all you have to go off of is his Facebook posts and an image of what the girl looks like. Are you not considering that the criminal could be lying or manipulating the situation?

Sincerely,
A former 14-year old rape victim who no one believed.

 

[ninij9]

I guess I'm just confused as to how you're all SO SURE that this is what happened in this case when all you have to go off of is his Facebook posts and an image of what the girl looks like. Are you not considering that the criminal could be lying or manipulating the situation?

Sincerely,
A former 14-year old rape victim who no one believed.

I'm sorry you went through that. (Hug)

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[iluvmua]

So a 22 year old grown man can't tell the difference between a 14 year old child?

22 is way old enough to know better.

I feel sorry for the 14 year old.

Jmo

 

[iluvmua]

He also got a 14 year old girl pregnant.

Great guy right there.

 

[tarabull]

He also got a 14 year old girl pregnant.

Great guy right there.

:thud:

 

[iluvmua]

The article is in the first page.

 

[iluvmua]

Read the comments people are posting under the boyerstown PD Facebook page.

You will not feel so sorry for him anymore.

His ex girlfriends have left comments on there.

 

[Eileen730]

Ex girfriends and ex wives do not usually have nice things to say about their ex's

 

[Tssiemer]

This was kinda why I asked what his PV was.


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[iluvmua]

Any updates?

 

[Vail]

How does DNA prove rape in this case? It just proves they had sex. There is also nothing in the available court docs or MSM that states what evidence was gathered - considering the girl and her mother did not press charges or testify against him, the only thing that seems to have landed him in jail is their own admissions (he pled guilty).

http://www.berksmontnews.com/article/BM/20150625/NEWS/150629961

All I'm saying is, if it was a 20 year old and a 24 year old, no one would care. If it was a 22 year old and a 18 year old, no one would care. When | was 19, my husband was 14, but for some reason it is ok now. There is a point where we need to look at things as human beings, understanding our biology, rather than try to fit things into a black and white structure. Sexual maturity happens at different rates, and mental maturity doesn't often happen until the late 20s, if ever. This was a weird gray area - 14 (just shy of 15 as I understand it) and 19...and the real issue is that she lied. Couldn't he tell the difference between a 14 yr old and a 17yr old? I doubt it. Guys certainly couldn't when I was 14. Maybe they were in love? No one seems to consider that part.
I am probably getting philosophical here, but I think modern culture has put a stigma on something that teenagers are driven to do as a matter of nature. I live in a country where consensual sex above 14 is not a crime, and there aren't special rules for how much older you are (like that matters). Had circumstances shown he raped her, then sexual assault or rape is an appropriate judgement (as in kidnapped, or drugged or forcibly/violently assaulted her.) As it stands, they engaged in a voluntary relationship for a short time. Calling that sexual assault or rape is what I have a problem with.

This is not indicative of my wholistic viewpoint on rape. We see a lot of rape and sexual assault here on WS, and this is not an argument I would pose on any of those cases. I just don't think Tyler is a David Eisenhauer. Given his priors, I think at most he needs therapy and probably shouldn't drive a car.

To stay on topic, there is no update yet on whether he has turned himself in - all of his SM has been silent since the 5th. At this point | am honestly concerned he might harm himself.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Read the comments people are posting under the boyerstown PD Facebook page.

You will not feel so sorry for him anymore.

His ex girlfriends have left comments on there.

The problem with "comments" on SM is that you never really know what's true, what's rumor, what's said in anger, etc. There's a lot of junk there. A lot of of "piling on". It may all be true or it may not. It's impossible to tell.

That said, what I came away with is that he's on probation for charges connected to a sexual relationship with a girl who lied about her age. Some people like him, others having nothing kind to say about him at all. At the end of the day, he's still missing.

 

[kaen]

"The investigation began in August 2014 when the parents of the 14-year-old girl contacted Lower Providence police to report that they had learned that their daughter and Osborne had engaged in sexual activity.

Court documents indicate that Osborne had as early as January 2014 been advised by police not to have any contact with the girl." http://www.pottsmerc.com/general-ne...ed-for-sex-with-teen-girl-in-lower-providence

"The victim’s parents first went to Lower Providence police on Jan. 3, 2014 to report their daughter was missing. One of the officers was at the victim’s home when the victim and Osborne arrived. The officer told Osborne not to have any more contact with the victim." http://www.pottsmerc.com/general-ne...-to-sex-assault-of-girl-14-he-met-on-facebook


The issue in my mind is not that he made a mistake and the girl lied. He was told by the police in January 2014 to not have contact with the girl b/c of her age. In January 2014 after returning to the girl's home with the police there, he was given fair warning.

Do girls lie? I believe some do. Does that mean they can consent? According to the law in PA, not if they are minors and have x number of years age difference. If he continued to try and successfully have a sexual relationship with her, he is exhibiting predatory behavior. The young love argument can hold if they don't have sex. If the relationship was so enduring, he could be in a non sexual relationship and wait until she is of legal age--- it is possible.

This doesn't seem to be about knowledge of her age. He knew her age. This doesn't seem to be about him being duped. He knew her age. He also knew that he was to keep away from her. He didn't. Three months after getting a police warning, he had sex with her at least twice, according to the referenced articles.

I see he has been posting on FB. I see that others have complimentary and nasty comments about him. That said, he knew not to do the behavior and did it. He also made the choice to drive without having driving privileges. I think I see a pattern here.

I hope he is safe and turns himself in so he can learn from his mistakes and begin his life after he gets out.