Pastor of mega church says wife has gone away for 1 year...

[SwampMama]

In today's message Pastor Ron mentions that he took his 3 kids with him to visit Hope yesterday, out of state. It is the first time the kids have seen her in 3 weeks.

He said that where she is, they check on her every 15 minutes.

That bit of info was mentioned at about 17:00 + in the video. I haven't finished listening to the whole message yet so I don't know yet if there is further mention.

http://www.redemptionichurchod.com

Wow, I could only take 5 minutes of his performance. It was interesting that he gave his "update" but in the end it seemed to be more about him and how he is being affected by it. His theatrics and obvious enjoyment of being the center of attention had me going :sick: :runaway:

 

[LonelyPoet]

This guy raises every hair on the back of my neck. Something isn't right.

A friend of mine from Facebook (never met her in person) said that she went to this church for a while. She posted that Hope was very friendly, personable, and that she never saw anything that would cause her to question Hope's sanity. I just really hope this lovely woman is okay and that her husband is on the up and up. He gives me the heebie jeebies, though.

 

[Trident]

iRonically - her last post here was October 6:



ETA: Oct 6 a pic of apple cobbler was posted on her instagram http://instagram.com/p/fJGsLIREnj/#

An APPLE cobbler? That's priceless.:floorlaugh: Wonder if Ron took a bite.

 

[Trident]

This entire thread explains why I will NEVER step foot into a "church" building, or become part of a religious congregation - I've seen too much - The Bakers, Swaggart, Jim Jones, etc., ad nauseum. I won't even do business with someone who claims to be a Christian any more, I've had too many bad experiences. And yet, I do believe in God and Jesus Christ, just not ravening wolves hiding under a sheepskin. Hmmm, the more I type, the more stuff jumps out at me. If I don't quit now this could become a comedy skit.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I've been trying to find that *advertiser censored* statement for 36 hours! Do you have it bookmarked??

No, I don't have a link. It's probably buried in internet search or is on one of the videos. I can't watch the videos, they make me sick. I will look some more tonight, when I have time and see if I can find a link.

On another note:

Would LE need a warrant if he refused to tell them her location and even if he did disclose her location, would they need a warrant to check on her well being? If she is at a facility and on observation every 15 minutes, he is indicating she is suicidal IMO. This doesn't indicate to me, that she is able to leave on her own free will. I am very concerned that he had her involuntarily committed in some out of state location where he was able to pull strings with his associates.

I don't know anything about having someone committed and each state has different laws. Is it easier in Texas to get someone committed? Could the type of facility she is at, not follow or bend the rules?

I'm "very" concerned for the well being of the children also. In the last "speech" he gave that was posted above, he said the kids aren't here today, I told them to stay at home and sleep in. Are they ok? Did he do this so he could talk about their mother and make statements that aren't true? It certainly is proven that he "twists" facts in his speeches.

In one of the videos I watched, he talks about the high he gets when he speaks and how it takes him a while to come down from that high afterwords. Is this normal? He certainly looks wired on something.

[video=youtube;kHs2CWfzkjI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHs2CWfzkjI[/video]

I could go on and on.....

IMO, he has no business up there "preaching". He should be home taking care of his house. Instead he is garnering sympathy from thousands by telling this story about his wife without her there to defend herself. It sounds like someone that is guilty, trying to justify their own behavior.

 

[attraversiamo]

I live in Greenville, SC, about 15 minutes from Redemption World Outreach Center. Possum Kingdom is an area, a community, in Belton (a town) and is about 30 minutes from Greenville. RWOC converted a movie theater into a church. As such, it had no windows. My husband always said not to trust a church with no windows, ha.

Anyway, a local talk show host has had a reporter digging and (on Friday) promised that there would be some revelations on his show on Monday. Ron Carpenter actually called his show on Tues? or Wed? after his initial sermon about Hope. Host mentioned it a few times last couple of weeks and how there had to be more to the story. It's Russ Cassell on 106.3 NewsRadio WORD. His show is 8-12 am EST. Over the air, invited RC to call in again on Monday. Should be interesting.

Tune in & listen live here: http://tunein.com/radio/WORD-1063-s29192/

6am - 10am Russ Cassell Show

:bump:

Anyone catch today's show from the beginning?
I just tuned in - he is still on for another 40 mins or so - speaking of TRUTH atm, commercial now.

 

[Tulessa]

:bump:

Anyone catch today's show from the beginning?
I just tuned in - he is still on for another 40 mins or so - speaking of TRUTH atm, commercial now.

Still playing commercials? That's all I'm getting.

 

[Tulessa]

Ok......he's live now.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Thank you to the brave souls who are listening to RC...

Please let us know if there is anything to report....

Treats for your efforts.....

:coffeecup: :cupcake:

:tyou:

 

[attraversiamo]

Thank you to the brave souls who are listening to RC...

Please let us know if there is anything to report....

Treats for your efforts.....

:coffeecup: :cupcake:

:tyou:

IF they discussed this case - I missed it, hopefully someone else was listening earlier than I was.



ETA: or maybe tomorrow?

 

[prima.facie]

mmmmm.
still reading up on the issue and posts...

I grew up in the "mega church" world, as a pastor's kid. my father was never head pastor of a mega church (but a smaller one eventually) but he was one of the pastor's on staff and at that time one of the largest mega churches in TX. In fact the head of that church was once featured on a show like 20/20 or 60min amongst other mega church pastors that were frauding their churches.

I got to see all the behind the scenes crap that goes on...and I have seen it all. oh the stories I could tell....

and while I know not all churches are bad, I wont ever step foot in one again...

I really hope she is not another "shelly".....off to read more.

ETA....that man should STEP DOWN IMMIEDIATELY as a pastor. if his home life is not in order, he has ZERO business standing on a pulpit telling other people how to live. maybe he has and im not caught up enough....

 

[BeginnersLuck]

If you haven't seen it already and want to try and stomach it, at around 15:00 in this video, he throws his son under the bus a few days after he was put into a one year treatment program.

He goes on to talk about how someone gave his son something when he was 12. How his son would throw up everyday before school. On and on......I stopped watching at 42 min. and he doesn't mention the substance or substances the son was using. He just talks about the sons car accidents, him hallucinating, throwing up all the time and loosing weight. He talks about his son at 18 taking his ATM card because he owed someone cash. So I gathering from 12 to 18 the son was using, according to him before he entered the one year treatment program.

Again, it was I...I...I...it wasn't anything that I did wrong but yet he says he was up into the early hours of the morning and up again early before service writing his speech for that day.

From a psychological perspective, IMO, I am seeing someone that is deflecting. He's not at home taking care of his house. He isn't putting effort into what's going on there. He is going to the church where he can get sympathy and make money off of circumstances that are going on at home. For instance, I couldn't save my son, wife, etc., so I will come here where I can take take credit and get praised for saving others.

Now, on another note, I am very much for survivors of various experiences, taking an active roll in the community and speaking about their experiences to help educate others. I've never heard of someone doing it though, the very next day, week, or month even. It takes time to process and heal.

This guy has been telling stories for over twenty years. It's common for people in the church to be shunned and ridiculed by others if they question their "leader". This is the reason, IMO, that things can go on in religious institution for years before they are exposed.

[video=youtube;ywc7hOb2o5E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywc7hOb2o5E[/video]

 

[Teche]

No, I don't have a link. It's probably buried in internet search or is on one of the videos. I can't watch the videos, they make me sick. I will look some more tonight, when I have time and see if I can find a link.

On another note:

Would LE need a warrant if he refused to tell them her location and even if he did disclose her location, would they need a warrant to check on her well being? If she is at a facility and on observation every 15 minutes, he is indicating she is suicidal IMO. This doesn't indicate to me, that she is able to leave on her own free will. I am very concerned that he had her involuntarily committed in some out of state location where he was able to pull strings with his associates.

I don't know anything about having someone committed and each state has different laws. Is it easier in Texas to get someone committed? Could the type of facility she is at, not follow or bend the rules?

I'm "very" concerned for the well being of the children also. In the last "speech" he gave that was posted above, he said the kids aren't here today, I told them to stay at home and sleep in. Are they ok? Did he do this so he could talk about their mother and make statements that aren't true? It certainly is proven that he "twists" facts in his speeches.

In one of the videos I watched, he talks about the high he gets when he speaks and how it takes him a while to come down from that high afterwords. Is this normal? He certainly looks wired on something.

Ron Carpenter - Holy Hangover - YouTube

I could go on and on.....

IMO, he has no business up there "preaching". He should be home taking care of his house. Instead he is garnering sympathy from thousands by telling this story about his wife without her there to defend herself. It sounds like someone that is guilty, trying to justify their own behavior.

Wow, His eyebrows don't move...

 

[prima.facie]

Does he ever teach the Bible during that video? It's all about him, him, him. I can't watch someone sounding like that. He seems dopey and his clothes all winkled.

and don't forget the very COMMON tactic of drawing on people's emotions by playing the soft piano music in the background. I hear that and my skin crawls. it is a psychological tactic that IMO is very deceptive. its why they play "sad sounding music" in movies during a sad scene....it plays on your emotions.

im telling you......I literally grew up since the day I was born until I was 18 and FLED in these super over zealous charismatic super mega huge churches and I know all the tricks in the books and have seen the worst of the worst behind the scenes whilst the theatrics played out on stage and the congregation wept and danced for joy and were sincere in their faith and blind in their following of...........man. I will never follow some self appointed man to teach me how to live my life. I have found my faith in God alone through my own life experiences and just one on one talk with other believers.

I believe this man is a fraud. lived around them and can spot them a continent away.

 

[i.b.nora]

If you haven't seen it already and want to try and stomach it, at around 15:00 in this video, he throws his son under the bus a few days after he was put into a one year treatment program.

I think you might have posted a different video than the one you are talking about. The video you posted is only 2-3 minutes long.

EDIT: Nevermind, I see you fixed it. Thanks.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Wow, His eyebrows don't move...

:floorlaugh: Botox???

 

[prima.facie]

I have visions of Hope being sent to someplace that Ron has an affiliation with and can control somewhat. I keep thinking he probably sent her to some really whacked "faith" based program where she is probably be treated much like an exorcism or something. A place where she is being made to feel that something is seriously wrong with her and the she is possessed by demons and crap and that her soul is in peril and that damnation is in her future.

while I don't believe in people having visions, you do make some good points, especially in this world of religion.

I had a boyfriend once (starting at 17) who was really bad for me. but of course I didn't see that and would not stop seeing him even threatening demands of my parents (they threatened to send me away to live with someone out of state). eventually they decided to sit me down and have people cast out the demons that were holding on to me and making me stay in a relationship with this guy.

this was all a "normal" non-denominational church. no weird cult or anything. I even got to experience a real cult at one point in my life, but even a normal church can go overboard in telling people how to live their lives :/ ugh.

im really not trying to offend nor put down ALL churches. I have a horrible taste in my mouth and have truly seen some horrifying and vile things go on all in the name of "God".

 

[SwampMama]

I've been trying to find that *advertiser censored* statement for 36 hours! Do you have it bookmarked??

I found this excerpt from his book. Here is the link, look on page 77. (correction, it is on page 79)

http://books.google.com/books?id=8-...q=ron carpenter *advertiser censored*&f=false

Apparently his best fiend as a teen was a boy whose father was a *advertiser censored* dealer and had 10's of thousands of *advertiser censored* tapes in the basement which he "watched for years". Then he discusses the fact that Hope (if I am reading this right) was raped as a teenager. Ok so if she was raped as a teen, that can be a huge revelation, as well as his *advertiser censored* obsession during his formative years.

I just feel so bad for her. he just comes off as an pompous @$$. If I was her, i would want to escape too, and have a whole other life, as he described. The pressure he puts on her for the sake of his image and a "world renown evangelist" is unimaginable. he described that when he supposedly found out about her infidelity in 2004 that he had a panic attack, threw uo and slept in the barn

He claims that he courted Hope in a lily white, devout, saining-themselves-for marriage kind of relationship for over 3 years years before they finally married on June 23, 1990. For the next 14 years, he claims they had a blissful marriage. Then in 2004, on Easter Sunday, he discovered a “very different woman.”

“I went home to a person that for the next 10 years I did not marry and I had not known,” he said. “Many of you were here during that time, and you saw erratic behavior. You saw changes. I tried my best to hide them. I did not know what was going on, and I did not know what to do, but I knew I had great love for this lady.”

"Carpenter said they went through two years of “grueling therapy,” and he kept believing in a miraculous healing while she withdrew herself his church and stopped attending church. He admitted he didn’t know where she was most of those Sundays.

“What you do not know is that week in the therapist’s office, she confessed a five-year inappropriate relationship to me,” Carpenter said. “And I thought I was going to die. I about lost my mind.”

Carpenter said he had a panic attack later that night, threw up and slept in a horse stable. He knew he had a decision to make as a minister who speaks all over the world. He knew it was a public relations nightmare".

http://vinemag.com/after-multiple-affairs-pastors-wife-seeks-psychiatric-treatment/

So his big concern about his wife having an "inappropriate" relationship was his fear for what others would think and how it affected HIS image. Gee, no wonder she wanted a life and identity away from him. Who wants to live life on a stage, being judged by your husband and people from all over the world. Hell I wouldn't do it.

Run Hope Run, I hope you have a chance to have a life where you can shed that awful perfect stepford wife image and we can one day see you with a REAL smile on your face, casually dressed and living a life that YOU want without regard for how others feel you should live.

EDITED to add link to book where *advertiser censored* addiction is mentioned

 

[neesaki]

MSM - well, Fox - link:

http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/23701174/pastors-sermon

Whoa, this dude looks evil scary :scared:

 

[SwampMama]

while I don't believe in people having visions, you do make some good points, especially in this world of religion.

I had a boyfriend once (starting at 17) who was really bad for me. but of course I didn't see that and would not stop seeing him even threatening demands of my parents (they threatened to send me away to live with someone out of state). eventually they decided to sit me down and have people cast out the demons that were holding on to me and making me stay in a relationship with this guy.

this was all a "normal" non-denominational church. no weird cult or anything. I even got to experience a real cult at one point in my life, but even a normal church can go overboard in telling people how to live their lives :/ ugh.

im really not trying to offend nor put down ALL churches. I have a horrible taste in my mouth and have truly seen some horrifying and vile things go on all in the name of "God".

BBM I didn't literally mean that I was sitting here psychic visions of Hope being locked away, I just meant I imagined that something like that could be likely.

I'm sorry it was taken that way but I did laugh thinking that you thought I was sitting here with my crystal ball and charms, having some sort of psychic vision, like Madame Cleo of those old psychic hotlines that charged a few dollars a minute. :floorlaugh:

I really just meant, when I considered and wondered where she could be, that being locked away in one of those crazy brainwash places was a distinct possibility.

Holy cow (!) to your experience with your family and church trying to cast off the demons from you when you were a teen. Yeah, I definitely would have gotten a creepy feeling from that.