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Swamp Mama, just want to say, excellent posts throughout the thread. Wednesday too. I'm glad others find this as scary as I do. In addition to those teen "discipline" places I mentioned earlier, it reminds me of how in earlier times women could be "put away" somewhere for being "hysterical" or having a "breakdown" (which usually translated to not living up to her husband/father/society's expectations). :furious:
 
And yeah, if I found myself married to this guy, I'd probably have been having back to back affairs for YEARS. :help:
 
^^^ This.

Swamp Mama, just want to say, excellent posts throughout the thread. Wednesday too. I'm glad others find this as scary as I do. In addition to those teen "discipline" places I mentioned earlier, it reminds me of how in earlier times women could be "put away" somewhere for being "hysterical" or having a "breakdown" (which usually translated to not living up to her husband/father/society's expectations). :furious:

I so absolutely had that image, of women being committed because of 'hysteria', like something Jane Austen would have written about and exposed the ridiculousness of!
(As an aside, my BA is in English Lit, I am currently working on a graduate degree in Forensic Linguistics, hoping to finish my MA in the spring (2014) and start my PhD in it next fall, 2014!)
 
Interesting info about fallen pastor and the struggle that they deal with. It's from a website created by a fallen pastor who now has a mission to help others not fall into the all too common things that are rampant in the church. It has statistics such as:

77% of pastors reported they did not have a good marriage

70% of pastors deal with depression, BUT 80% of pastors and 84% of their spouses are discouraged and dealing with depression

7 out of 10 pastors report having no close friends.

More than 40% of pastors and 47% of their spouses report they are suffering from burnout, frantic schedules and unrealistic expectations

Approximately 1,500 pastors leave their assignments each month due to moral failure, spiritual burnout, or contention within their local congregations

http://fallenpastor.com/2013/10/15/pastor-ron-carpenter-can-ministry-failure-be-prevented/

Meanwhile an NPR.org article entitled "Religious Groups Tackle an x-rated Secret" (in this link: http://www.npr.org/2011/02/03/133463774/religious-groups-tackle-an-x-rated-secret reports that "According to a survey by Pastor Rick Warren's website, Pastors.com, 54 percent of pastors have looked at *advertiser censored* in the past year"

And of course the statistic that cited multiple times, many places
30%-40% of pastors admit to an affair since beginning their work as a pastor, apparently pastors are thought to cheat significantly MORE than people in other occupation.
 
SwampMama, is there a list available of who these 40 "ministers" were? I would like to compose an open letter to them, once I can compose myself to come across respectfully and succinctly

I have a lot more to say about your post where you mentioned that but it will have to wait until later LOL (I know, I know, people are waiting with bated breath! Haha!)

Here is an article (http://www.joy105.com/40-pastors-joined-pastor-ron-carpenter-in-service-this-sunday/) that mentions that 40 were there but only mentions Steve Furtick. Steve being the preach who is building a house that is over 16,000 sq ft and well over a million dollars but defends his critics by saying that his house was a gift from God. http://www.charlotteobserver.com/20...tion-church-pastor-responds.html#.UnAvvxDICPY

I will look further for a list of the illustrious supporters who apparently flew from all over the country to be there.

ETA. Those 40 were there the week AFTER the "confession" about where Hope went, not on stage when he did his little confession about the horror of his marriage
 
WOW! I live in the Greater Greenville area and I've always heard that this church is extremely fundamentalist, judgy, sanctimonious and, according to some, 'cultish,' all descriptions (imo) of what a church SHOULD NOT be. Here in the Bible Belt, we have churches galore, but most of them are comprised of decent pastors/ministers (most often Baptist or Methodist) with decent congregations which do nothing to raise eyebrows; the Redemption mega-church is NOT your typical southern church. I personally view 'mega-churches' with some suspicion, as the leader typically has a very nice home and car given to them, paid for with strict 'tithing' (10% of income); too often they become 'cults of personality.' (UGH!)... Anyway, when I first read the BIZARRE accounts of this pastor's diarrhea-mouthed, inappropriate, 'tell-all' address to his congregation, I was shocked that ANYONE could continue to support this man! The Apostolic/Pentacostal faith is far from mainstream and are generally viewed as extremists in many ways, so other Pentacostal ministers supporting this man didn't surprise me.... Most P'costal churches are relatively small, so this man with his mega-congregation (equaling mega dollars) is probably seen as a sort of celebrity to his local peers. They know their practices are often derided and seen by many as just one step away from handling snakes, so of course they cannot afford bad press, meaning of course they will stand together, at least publically. Reading the words of Mr. Ron Carpenter set my 'hinky meter' off from the get-go; seriously, to me his choice of words/descriptions fit right in with the famous quote from 'Hamlet'- as in ole Ron is certainly "protest(ing) too much," as in waaaaaay too much! Even if he truly believed everything he said, that his wife was unfaithful, that she was mentally unstable (his words pretty much infer that she's a raving lunatic, perhaps a nymphomaniac)- there's no getting around the fact that this 'sermon' is an all-out attack on his wife's character. He is making a persuasive speech, using many rhetorical 'tricks' to sway and control his audience's reaction so they will buy his smelly story, he is 'roping 'em in.' He even goads the congregation to collectively 'remember' her decidedly UN-Christian behavior-"YOU'VE seen it!" And he's sure to (supposedly) quote her shrink as stating her case was the WORST- worst what?!- adding no diagnosis, no treatment plan, no message from her, no contact info so his flock could send supportive cards and well-wishes to his wife in her time of need, no prayer circles and so on and now she has to get help for a YEAR somewhere OUT OF STATE because why exactly? I don't exactly get the feeling that this church has a large number of Ph.D's in its pews! I mean, who is dumb enough to fall for this BS? I don't have the text of his 'message' in front of me right now, so I'm going from memory, but didn't he finally get to his real points, all two of them? First he makes clear that he WILL NOT be accepting her back as a wife (seeing as how she's such a major *advertiser censored*, I guess, acc. to him and the 'doctor') and all I'm thinking is WHERE'S THE MISTRESS?? What lovely Christian miss is waiting in the wings to become the new (younger, prettier perhaps?) Mrs. Carpenter when timing permits? Hmmm. Then, as if to answer the question before it's asked, he also informs them that his ho-of-a-wife will NOT be returning to the ministry, at least not his! In so many words ; ) ... How Christian of this 'man of God,' hmmm? He completely ASSASSINATES his wife's character and then does his best to ERASE her from their midst, while blatantly 'sharing' the most slanderous and vile (also personal, private...sacred) dirty details he can get away with without being profane. But make no mistake, he is D-O-N-E with her, he has gotten rid of her and don't expect to see her in church ever, ever again. Sorry for all the caps, but this thread has gotten me seriously worked up! And I haven't yet even touched on questions of is she still alive? If so, doesn't she have family/friends to find her and report back on her safety and well-being, or best of all HER side of this *****storm? Is ANYONE challenging his account of why his wife has disappeared? Is he sneaking around with another woman? I cannot stand phony, misogynistic a-holes but I despise even more the ones who do their dirty work 'in the name of the Lord'! Jesus Christ himself castigated those who scorned the prostitute Mary Magdelene. He made it clear that she was just as worthy of God's love as anyone else. Meanwhile this p***k publicly insists that his wife is basically a *advertiser censored*- he says this IN CHURCH!- how many kids heard that trashy speech??- and apparently everyone at 'Redemption' is still saying that the emperor is fully clothed! Disgusting.
 
He went through ten years of horror and three years of some sort of restoration and intense marriage therapy yet has no idea if his wife might be bipolar? She supposedly had a secret life with friends, culture, and dress code. What the heck could that be? A little list from reasonable to outlandish ideas:
She went out partying with friends in sexy dresses
She is lesbian or bi and experimented with dress
She joined the Hell's Angels
Does the man and his PR not realize how outlandish it is to say a person has a different culture and dress?
 
Frankly, the Hells Angels scares me less than this creep lol. :giggle:
 
He went through ten years of horror and three years of some sort of restoration and intense marriage therapy yet has no idea if his wife might be bipolar? She supposedly had a secret life with friends, culture, and dress code. What the heck could that be? A little list from reasonable to outlandish ideas:
She went out partying with friends in sexy dresses
She is lesbian or bi and experimented with dress
She joined the Hell's Angels
Does the man and his PR not realize how outlandish it is to say a person has a different culture and dress?

I wondered if he was referring to her group of supportive ladies involved in WOH ? Is 'dress code' referring to those 'Keep Calm I am Women' shirts they were all sporting at the recent convention. Maybe he got the bill for them.
:blushing:
ETA: in all seriousness, he really did put an end to THAT didn't he? and to quote ARC himself "I just don't get it"
 
WOW! I live in the Greater Greenville area and I've always heard that this church is extremely fundamentalist, judgy, sanctimonious and, according to some, 'cultish,' all descriptions (imo) of what a church SHOULD be. Here in the Bible Belt, we have churches galore, but most of them are comprised of decent pastors/ministers (most often Baptist or Methodist) with decent congregations which do nothing to raise eyebrows; the Redemption mega-church is NOT your typical southern church. I personally view 'mega-churches' with some suspicion, as the leader typically has a very nice home and car given to them, paid for with strict 'tithing' (10% of income); too often they become 'cults of personality.' (UGH!)... Anyway, when I first read the BIZARRE accounts of this pastor's diarrhea-mouthed, inappropriate, 'tell-all' address to his congregation, I was shocked that ANYONE could continue to support this man! The Apostolic/Pentacostal faith is far from mainstream and are generally viewed as extremists in many ways, so other Pentacostal ministers supporting this man didn't surprise me.... Most P'costal churches are relatively small, so this man with his mega-congregation (equaling mega dollars) is probably seen as a sort of celebrity to his local peers. They know their practices are often derided and seen by many as just one step away from handling snakes, so of course they cannot afford bad press, meaning of course they will stand together, at least publically. Reading the words of Mr. Ron Carpenter set my 'hinky meter' off from the get-go; seriously, to me his choice of words/descriptions fit right in with the famous quote from 'Hamlet'- as in ole Ron is certainly "protest(ing) too much," as in waaaaaay too much! Even if he truly believed everything he said, that his wife was unfaithful, that she was mentally unstable (his words pretty much infer that she's a raving lunatic, perhaps a nymphomaniac)- there's no getting around the fact that this 'sermon' is an all-out attack on his wife's character. He is making a persuasive speech, using many rhetorical 'tricks' to sway and control his audience's reaction so they will buy his smelly story, he is 'roping 'em in.' He even goads the congregation to collectively 'remember' her decidedly UN-Christian behavior-"YOU'VE seen it!" And he's sure to (supposedly) quote her shrink as stating her case was the WORST- worst what?!- adding no diagnosis, no treatment plan, no message from her, no contact info so his flock could send supportive cards and well-wishes to his wife in her time of need, no prayer circles and so on and now she has to get help for a YEAR somewhere OUT OF STATE because why exactly? I don't exactly get the feeling that this church has a large number of Ph.D's in its pews! I mean, who is dumb enough to fall for this BS? I don't have the text of his 'message' in front of me right now, so I'm going from memory, but didn't he finally get to his real points, all two of them? First he makes clear that he WILL NOT be accepting her back as a wife (seeing as how she's such a major *advertiser censored*, I guess, acc. to him and the 'doctor') and all I'm thinking is WHERE'S THE MISTRESS?? What lovely Christian miss is waiting in the wings to become the new (younger, prettier perhaps?) Mrs. Carpenter when timing permits? Hmmm. Then, as if to answer the question before it's asked, he also informs them that his ho-of-a-wife will NOT be returning to the ministry, at least not his! In so many words ; ) ... How Christian of this 'man of God,' hmmm? He completely ASSASSINATES his wife's character and then does his best to ERASE her from their midst, while blatantly 'sharing' the most slanderous and vile (also personal, private...sacred) dirty details he can get away with without being profane. But make no mistake, he is D-O-N-E with her, he has gotten rid of her and don't expect to see her in church ever, ever again. Sorry for all the caps, but this thread has gotten me seriously worked up! And I haven't yet even touched on questions of is she still alive? If so, doesn't she have family/friends to find her and report back on her safety and well-being, or best of all HER side of this *****storm? Is ANYONE challenging his account of why his wife has disappeared? Is he sneaking around with another woman? I cannot stand phony, misogynistic a-holes but I despise even more the ones who do their dirty work 'in the name of the Lord'! Jesus Christ himself castigated those who scorned the prostitute Mary Magdelene. He made it clear that she was just as worthy of God's love as anyone else. Meanwhile this p***k publicly insists that his wife is basically a *advertiser censored*- he says this IN CHURCH!- how many kids heard that trashy speech??- and apparently everyone at 'Redemption' is still saying that the emperor is fully clothed! Disgusting.

Finally! Someone local!! :loveyou: I don't care one hoot about RC! I'm worried about his wife!!
 
And now that I'm thinking about it, I can't imagine a psychiatrist describing someone as the "worst case they've ever seen". I think he either fabricated that statement, or, more likely, she isn't being seen by a real psychiatrist, psychologist, or other doctor, but probably by some other "minister" or Christian "counselor".
 
I just looked at his FB page- unbelievable! It's filled with cloying, worshipful (not of God, of HIM):please: messages from his 'church family' all positive! Here's what I posted (I was surprised I could post on his wall but I could and did- it probably is already deleted!) Anyway, I posted this:

"Are you even AWARE of how deeply the media is looking into your wife situation??"

Oh God I hope he answers back! Idiot!!
 
I just looked at his FB page- unbelievable! It's filled with cloying, worshipful (not of God, of HIM):please: messages from his 'church family' all positive! Here's what I posted (I was surprised I could post on his wall but I could and did- it probably is already deleted!) Anyway, I posted this:

"Are you even AWARE of how deeply the media is looking into your wife situation??"

Oh God I hope he answers back! Idiot!!

I can tell you from experience, that he doesn't. :facepalm:
 
I just looked at his FB page- unbelievable! It's filled with cloying, worshipful (not of God, of HIM):please: messages from his 'church family' all positive! Here's what I posted (I was surprised I could post on his wall but I could and did- it probably is already deleted!) Anyway, I posted this:

"Are you even AWARE of how deeply the media is looking into your wife situation??"

Oh God I hope he answers back! Idiot!!
He either won't get that he's the one under scrutiny or he will taunt an investigation, saying he welcomes it because of course, he feels above reproach. This is the kind of fool who gets himself so much rope, he can't help but hang himself because he's too conceited to stop and think he may need that rope to get away instead.
 
I just looked at his FB page- unbelievable! It's filled with cloying, worshipful (not of God, of HIM):please: messages from his 'church family' all positive! Here's what I posted (I was surprised I could post on his wall but I could and did- it probably is already deleted!) Anyway, I posted this:

"Are you even AWARE of how deeply the media is looking into your wife situation??"

Oh God I hope he answers back! Idiot!!

You did? Awesome! Keep us posted friend!
 
Shame on this church "family" that no one stood up during his dismissive, abusive diatribe against Hope and said, "Enough is enough!" Shame
 
And now that I'm thinking about it, I can't imagine a psychiatrist describing someone as the "worst case they've ever seen". I think he either fabricated that statement, or, more likely, she isn't being seen by a real psychiatrist, psychologist, or other doctor, but probably by some other "minister" or Christian "counselor".

Good evening! First of all, a psychiatrist (or anyone else in the medical profession) is bound by HIPAA, therefore would not be discussing Hope's diagnosis, behavior or anything else with her husband. This is especially true if the patient was still being evaluated. The only circumstance I can imagine in which a conversation would take place with the husband would be when a treatment plan is put in place and IF he is to be part of it.

The more he speaks, the more I believe she is NOT being treated in a legitimate rehab facility, and the more he speaks and contradicts himself, the more I fear she is no longer alive.

:(

MOO
 
I really hope that Hope is just hiding out with some friends, platting her strategy, letting Ron run his mouth so that she can use it against him in the future to prove him a liar.

I hope she re-emerges and goes on to do great things in her life and that all Ron's public badmouthing has done will backfire on him and bring Hope the recognition and worldwide fanbase.

Oh and his "worst case ever seen" bs. Well if it was the worst case ever seen then why in all of those years of counseling didn't anyone recognize that? And Ron is an apostle, who thinks he has a gift from God and he couldn't recognize the worst case ever of whatever he claims she has? Um yeah right!

I hope this incident reveals him for the liar and false apostle that he is and that people start speaking out about the dirt they have on him. Cuz I know he ain't as perfect as he wants us to think he is.
 
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