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panthera said:
Good evening! First of all, a psychiatrist (or anyone else in the medical profession) is bound by HIPAA, therefore would not be discussing Hope's diagnosis, behavior or anything else with her husband. This is especially true if the patient was still being evaluated. The only circumstance I can imagine in which a conversation would take place with the husband would be when a treatment plan is put in place and IF he is to be part of it.

The more he speaks, the more I believe she is NOT being treated in a legitimate rehab facility, and the more he speaks and contradicts himself, the more I fear she is no longer alive.

:(

MOO
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You and me both. I doubt Hope is alive.
 
seattlechiquita said:
You and me both. I doubt Hope is alive.
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Or she sure won't be a year from now , either because Ron kills her with his own hands or because her "rehabilitation" and isolation drive her to commit suicide. Perhaps that's what he's hoping for.
How long before he pushes for divorce and then announces engagement and remarries, has a new family and truly completely scrubs Hope from his life? In my opinion, he's not too far from those actions now. He has "washed his hands of her" and with as much ease as one literally washes their hands.
 
My opinion is that IF Hope is in a center, it's for sexual rehabilitation (sexual reorientation). Big if of course, but, Ron's own words lead me to believe her biggest transgression was an affair with a woman. Oh, wait, that would have been her second biggest transgression, her first would have been denying him, (Ron) his self believed rightly place on heaven's door step for being such a Godly man. UGH!

JMO!
 
Wednesday80 said:
Or she sure won't be a year from now , either because Ron kills her with his own hands or because her "rehabilitation" and isolation drive her to commit suicide. Perhaps that's what he's hoping for.
How long before he pushes for divorce and then announces engagement and remarries, has a new family and truly completely scrubs Hope from his life? In my opinion, he's not too far from those actions now. He has "washed his hands of her" and with as much ease as one literally washes their hands.
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He certainly has set the scenario in place for her to commit suicide by stating she had talked about it. He had also said earlier that she was free to leave this facility whenever she wanted so that I believe is going to be his "out" for her never to be heard from again.

I hope I am wrong.

MOO
 
panthera said:
Good evening! First of all, a psychiatrist (or anyone else in the medical profession) is bound by HIPAA, therefore would not be discussing Hope's diagnosis, behavior or anything else with her husband. This is especially true if the patient was still being evaluated. The only circumstance I can imagine in which a conversation would take place with the husband would be when a treatment plan is put in place and IF he is to be part of it.

The more he speaks, the more I believe she is NOT being treated in a legitimate rehab facility, and the more he speaks and contradicts himself, the more I fear she is no longer alive.

:(

MOO
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The bolded is not exactly true. This is from an HIPAA website, copied and pasted. RC also said she'd asked him to be her spokesperson, so . . .

Does the HIPAA Privacy Rule permit a doctor to discuss a patient’s health status, treatment, or payment arrangements with the patient’s family and friends?

Answer:

Yes. The HIPAA Privacy Rule at 45 CFR 164.510(b) specifically permits covered entities to share information that is directly relevant to the involvement of a spouse, family members, friends, or other persons identified by a patient, in the patient’s care or payment for health care. If the patient is present, or is otherwise available prior to the disclosure, and has the capacity to make health care decisions, the covered entity may discuss this information with the family and these other persons if the patient agrees or, when given the opportunity, does not object. The covered entity may also share relevant information with the family and these other persons if it can reasonably infer, based on professional judgment, that the patient does not object. Under these circumstances, for example:

A doctor may give information about a patient’s mobility limitations to a friend driving the patient home from the hospital.
A hospital may discuss a patient’s payment options with her adult daughter.
A doctor may instruct a patient’s roommate about proper medicine dosage when she comes to pick up her friend from the hospital.
A physician may discuss a patient’s treatment with the patient in the presence of a friend when the patient brings the friend to a medical appointment and asks if the friend can come into the treatment room.
Even when the patient is not present or it is impracticable because of emergency circumstances or the patient’s incapacity for the covered entity to ask the patient about discussing her care or payment with a family member or other person, a covered entity may share this information with the person when, in exercising professional judgment, it determines that doing so would be in the best interest of the patient. See 45 CFR 164.510(b).

http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/hipaa/faq/disclosures_to_friends_and_family/488.html
 
I understand Ron's right to understand and get information on Hope's treatment. (HIPAA) What I don't understand is why he thought it was a good thing to share all that information as he seems to have done.

Again, I go back to Ron shaping information for his own well being and personal gain. His sharing has nothing to do with Hope, or his congregation, but more to do with his own self image.

A real man would never give up this type of information about his children's mother to public scrutiny. A real man would protect his ENTIRE family, not just himself. He would leak very little and soften the truth to protect all those involved, not just himself.

All I see in this case is Ron, protecting Ron.
 
Hmm, a pretty iRONic blog post from Ron's "relationship builder" series.
http://www.roncarpenter.com/2009/05/22/marriage-builder-is-failure-an-option/

Apparently marriage failure or divorce is not an option according to him.

He says "You’ll never truly have the marriage God desires for you, and you’ll never truly fix things that seem broken, as long as ending it is an option. Stop. Read that again, clear your head, and search your heart.

Is it?

Is it an option at any level? You’ll never fix your marriage, you’ll never have the kind of marriage God designed for you, if ending it is an option. Don’t fool yourself, either; thoughts of a marriage with someone else won’t ever be what God wants for you if ending this one is an option, so don’t be fooled, misinformed, or ill-advised."

BBM. Oh how interesting. I guess we are going to have to watch him backpedal on this stance or revise it in his own Righteous Ron way.

When he spoke of the "worst case ever" issue, i think he was talking how it affected HIMSELF. Poor HIM. He thinks so much of himself and his "gift", he is APOSTLE RON. How could his wife do that to him, doesn;t she realize that Ron is God's gift to the world? She should ne worshipping him and serving him, not dressing in a way that does not please him.
Oh my gosh, this is the worst case that RON has ever heard of. Why he is a worldwide household name. This is going to go viral, he will be a YouTube sensation (to borrow some of his own words, lol) because of how shocking this is.

No doubt the world will be plunged into mourning as we contemplate the tragedy of anyone daring to do this to Ron the Icon.

Whoever he talked to (who i doubt was objective or professional) was a fool, or ole Ronnie boy is just lying his butt off. Probably both, he is a definite liar!
 
Roxye said:
I understand Ron's right to understand and get information on Hope's treatment. (HIPAA) What I don't understand is why he thought it was a good thing to share all that information as he seems to have done.

Again, I go back to Ron shaping information for his own well being and personal gain. His sharing has nothing to do with Hope, or his congregation, but more to do with his own self image.

A real man would never give up this type of information about his children's mother to public scrutiny. A real man would protect his ENTIRE family, not just himself. He would leak very little and soften the truth to protect all those involved, not just himself.

All I see in this case is Ron, protecting Ron.
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Exactly. He's covering several bases at once with this.

Protect Ron.

And boost attendance.

And increase offering.

And *advertiser censored* shame his wife to anyone with ears to hear.

And paint himself in a favorable light for the upcoming divorce. I imagine they have quite a bit to split up in spite of having several foreclosures pending in the courts.

moo


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Roxye said:
I understand Ron's right to understand and get information on Hope's treatment. (HIPAA) What I don't understand is why he thought it was a good thing to share all that information as he seems to have done.

Again, I go back to Ron shaping information for his own well being and personal gain. His sharing has nothing to do with Hope, or his congregation, but more to do with his own self image.

A real man would never give up this type of information about his children's mother to public scrutiny. A real man would protect his ENTIRE family, not just himself. He would leak very little and soften the truth to protect all those involved, not just himself.

All I see in this case is Ron, protecting Ron.
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He is also saying she gave him permission to be her spokesman, which provides the loophole for her doctors/therapists to provide him information. Yet she is allegedly going through some type of crisis which requires her being in this facility for a one year commitment. How is she able to give consent for him to speak on her behalf if she is in such a state? That is my main problem with what he has said, in addition to what you have stated by him revealing all of this to the congregation and the world. I still believe his words lay the groundwork for her never to return. In other words, he is attempting to cover all bases.


MOO
 
The below is MOO and some knowledge of the church through my BFF who grew up in the atmosphere, which has damaged her for a lifetime.

I do believe that Hope is alive and I do believe she is in a rehabilitation/psychological facility (probably run by Pentacostals) and I do believe that she is in a 'fragile' state of mind by now. Her spirit was probably broken into little pieces by the time she was admitted, simply because RC and maybe even her family (have we heard if they are Pentacostals too??) would have made her believe she is the worst harlot, ever. It is obvious to me that most people on here don't know much about that sect of 'Christians' ~ not meant to be rude or obnoxious or snarky ~ but they are different from most other churches. They are strict and judgemental and would believe all of that garbage spewing out of his mouth without a question. I think that even Hope might believe it of herself after all those years of immersion into that sect, and that's why I think she's 'fragile' right now. . . which scares me.

Odd that a group of people that large wouldn't see that they aren't hearing the Word of God anymore, instead are being fed "Apostle" Ron's Word.
 
Is his wife alive or not???
If she's verified (by some authority as alive) Then I really don't care about his dillusional partitioners.
Is she verified to be alive or Not???
 
panthera said:
He is also saying she gave him permission to be her spokesman, which provides the loophole for her doctors/therapists to provide him information. Yet she is allegedly going through some type of crisis which requires her being in this facility for a one year commitment. How is she able to give consent for him to speak on her behalf if she is in such a state? That is my main problem with what he has said, in addition to what you have stated by him revealing all of this to the congregation and the world. I still believe his words lay the groundwork for her never to return. In other words, he is attempting to cover all bases.


MOO
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If you read back, I have stated it was my original opinion that Hope is no longer 'of this world'. I raise other facts, opinions, and further discussion because I could be wrong. AND because furthering discussion brings more people in who can sleuth beyond my ability.

My initial reaction (that Hope is dead) was my gut only since I dealt with the Pentecostal Church the first 12 years of my life and then had a more Southern Baptist upbringing after that.

Something is so wrong about a religious man who can so easily throw his wife under the bus as Ron has done. Most truly religious men I have ever dealt with would bend over backwards to protect their family unit and shield their wives and children from scrutiny, even if it wasn't totally true.

Ron on the other hand, has no problem make HER the problem. Which makes me think he has a WHOLE LOT to hide. Most of it probably has nothing to do with Hope.
 
MNlady said:
The below is MOO and some knowledge of the church through my BFF who grew up in the atmosphere, which has damaged her for a lifetime.

I do believe that Hope is alive and I do believe she is in a rehabilitation/psychological facility (probably run by Pentacostals) and I do believe that she is in a 'fragile' state of mind by now. Her spirit was probably broken into little pieces by the time she was admitted, simply because RC and maybe even her family (have we heard if they are Pentacostals too??) would have made her believe she is the worst harlot, ever. It is obvious to me that most people on here don't know much about that sect of 'Christians' ~ not meant to be rude or obnoxious or snarky ~ but they are different from most other churches. They are strict and judgemental and would believe all of that garbage spewing out of his mouth without a question. I think that even Hope might believe it of herself after all those years of immersion into that sect, and that's why I think she's 'fragile' right now. . . which scares me.

Odd that a group of people that large wouldn't see that they aren't hearing the Word of God anymore, instead are being fed "Apostle" Ron's Word.
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Many posters have said these exact things many times over so it seems many of us are all too aware of this culture she's inundated with.
 
I DO pray that Hope is alive and well! I hope that she is either in hiding or just hanging out in the programming facility where she was banished.

I admire Hope. She dealt with an extremely intolerable man for many years, she adjusted, transitioned, adapted. Before that, she dealt with parents that expected perfection. She wasn't good enough for them, she wasn't good enough for him....Until it wasn't good enough for HER.

My greatest ... hope... is that someday Hope stands up, alive and shuns them all, in the name of her God.
 
KALI said:
Is his wife alive or not???
If she's verified (by some authority as alive) Then I really don't care about his dillusional partitioners.
Is she verified to be alive or Not???
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We do not know, that is the matter of urgent concern in this thread and the reason I started it.
 
It finally played but stopped and started. I'm not familiar with so much emphasis being put on the devil during preaching, but she seemed to suddenly turn devil oppression into saying people could talk about her and not like her, she didn't care. That kind of came out of nowhere, imo.
 
attraversiamo said:
Listen to Hope preach - specifically starting at 4:17 min mark - I'd love to hear what ya'll think after viewing:

https://socialcam.com/v/ciBWK1jI?autostart=true

(Sidenote: Hope coughs like Ron)
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I think she is a very outspoken woman that won't put up with any crap from him.

I think she was probably doing her own thing with her life. Not necessarily anything bad as he portrays her. I think he worked all the time and was never there.

I get bad vibes from him and I bet she got to the point where she wouldn't put up with any of his crap anymore. Maybe it did start in 2004 when things changed with the ministry and maybe it was him that changed.

Maybe he expected her to act a certain way and she was going to be herself and that didn't bode very well with him. It could have come down to the final straw and they got into a big fight and that's when she disappeared. Maybe she called him the devil. lol

I could seriously see her just loosin it on him.

She could very well have dirt on him and the church and they want to keep her quiet.

It's very apparent that he relishes in the fame. I think he would go to whatever lengths necessary to not loose that.
 
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