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Come on, BlueCrab. If there's more re Burke, please oh please shareBlueCrab said:When I come across more about Burke, and it's appropriate to post, I will post it.
Come on, BlueCrab. If there's more re Burke, please oh please shareBlueCrab said:When I come across more about Burke, and it's appropriate to post, I will post it.
BlueCrab said:When I come across more about Burke, and it's appropriate to post, I will post it. If not I will make something up.
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BlueCrab,BlueCrab said:That's pretty funny BrotherMoon, but I respectfully deny it. If I make up something it will be clearly identified as an opinion or a theory.
Shylock said:BlueCrab,
I admire your sense of humor in dealing with people like BrotherMoonie.
Nehemiah said:PATSY RAMSEY: "Because he was not raised in a family of violence. We are a very loving family."
TOM HANEY: "Could it have been an accident?"
PATSY RAMSEY: "I -- don't know."
TOM HANEY: "Well, you and I don't know because we weren't there?"
PATSY RAMSEY: "Right."
TOM HANEY: "So do you think it could have been, he could have pushed her down the stairs -- "
PATSY RAMSEY: "Burke Ramsey did not do this, okay. He did not do this. Get off it."
TOM HANEY: "How do you know that, though? I mean, have you talked to him about it?"
PATSY RAMSEY: "Yes."
I have never understood this part of the interview when TH asks if this could have been an accident. Patsy says she doesn't know? In looking at this through her eyes (intruder did it), why would she say she doesn't know if it were an accident? Her child is murdered by a small foreign faction...and she doesn't know if it is an accident? Excuse me, she has a ransom note that states her child may be beheaded....
On the other hand, if Burke were involved, she could easily say she doesn't know if it were truly an accident. Of course she rectifies this by telling Tom to get off this line of questioning.
I can't imagine her finding her beloved child murdered in cold blood and not adamantly screaming that "no, it was no freaking accident...it was a murder!" or something to that effect.
IMO
BlueCrab said:TOM HANEY: "Could it have been an accident?"
PATSY RAMSEY: "I -- don't know."
TOM HANEY: "Well, you and I don't know because we weren't there?"
PATSY RAMSEY: "Right."
TOM HANEY: "So do you think it could have been, he could have pushed her down the stairs -- "
PATSY RAMSEY: "Burke Ramsey did not do this, okay. He did not do this. Get off it."
John and Patsy Ramsey were separately interviewed for three days on June 23, 24, and 25, 1998 -- and Burke Ramsey had been interviewed for three days one week earlier. Burke's interview is not available, but here's excerpts from some of Patsy's responses to questions asked by Tom Haney about Burke:
TH: "What have you told Burke about the murder?"
PR: "To date?"
TH: "To date."
PR: "Well, just that we are going to try to find out who did this to JonBenet. I haven't told him anything about how she was murdered or the details like that."
TH: "What details would he know or had you talked with him about?"
PR: "To be quite honest, we really haven't talked to him much about it. It's too hard, you know, it's hard to talk about."
TH: "Has he volunteered information?"
PR: "No."
TH: "Has he had questions?"
PR: "No."
TH: "Never 'what's going to happen, who did it'?"
PR: "No."
TH: "Did he ever mention getting up at any time during the night?"
PR: "No."
TH: "So he slept through until -- I believe it was John that ultimately got him up to take to the Fernies?"
PR: "Yes, to my knowledge."
(At that point the Ramseys had not been informed they had Burke's voice on the enhanced 911 tape. The question was formed to lock in Patsy's lie about Burke being in bed asleep during the 911 call.)
TH: "How about with the moving and all of that, has that caused some problems for him, change of schools?"
PR: "Yeah. And I have been in touch with the counselors and the teachers and everybody, alert to this. And they said that -- they are remarkably surprised at how well he is doing. He just makes friends and gets good grades."
TH: "So his adjustment's been pretty -- "
PR: "Been pretty good."
TH: "You mentioned I think when I asked you yesterday, had you seen an interview from last week with Burke. You said no?"
PR: "No."
TH: "There were like three days, and the first two days were pretty basic questions, but on the third day there were questions where the discussion was around JonBenet and death. And I am no psychologist, psychiatrist, but immediately noticed a change in Burke and his demeanor. He's curled up in his chair something like this, not sitting like this, but in a chair like this, and he's half in a fetal position and it seems to be a real struggle, a real difficult time. I am wondering if you noticed anything similar, any changes?"
PR: "Well, I may have -- I have had him in therapy just for this reason."
TH: "Does it seem like he knows more than he is saying, and obviously he's not saying much?"
PR: "Right."
TH: "Like he's keeping something in?"
PR: "As far as something about who did it, I don't think he knows. I mean, he would say."
TH: "Is that something that you have asked the doctor to explore?"
PR: "I don't know if I have directly asked him that."
JMO
TOM HANEY: "Could it have been an accident?"
PATSY RAMSEY: "I -- don't know."
Reading this for the first time, it seems fairly obvious that she knows what happened, even if Burke really didn't have anything to do with it. When she says "Burke Ramsey did not do this, okay. He did not do this. Get off it" she seems very confident. But the lines above that about the 'accident' and about 'not being there' she seems very dodgy and confused, like she's not exactly how she should answer the question given her actual knowledge of what happened (assuming she knows.) But then again, it would help to hear a recording of this interview to read the stress in her voice during those sections. It's kinda hard to tell with just text, but that delay in " I... don't know" seems very telling.
PATSY RAMSEY: "Burke Ramsey did not do this, okay. He did not do this. Get off it."
TOM HANEY: "How do you know that, though? I mean, have you talked to him about it?"
PATSY RAMSEY: "Yes."
In a normal conversation, to the question "have you talked to [Burke] about [whether he did it]?" I would have said, "What? No. Why would I do that?" if I had truly found a RN. Asking child wouldn't occur to me. I would be more concerned about telling him someone had been creeping around their house while they slept.
The innocent explanation for her saying "yes" is if her attorney instructed her to keep the answers brief. When I was disposed once, my attorney educated me for an hour about how this is not a normal conversation. Only answer exactly what they ask. If I requires any speculation, don't speculate. Say, yes, no, or I don't know unless the question calls for more. If she were following similar legal advice, I could see how it be easiest to say "yes."
As a more scientific person, I would be inclined to ask what "it", have I talked to him about what? If the answer is whether he did it, I would say no. If they asked how I knew I would say the I didn't think him capable of writing the note and putting her in the basement.
If we take PR's "yes" at face value that means she saying she woke up, found a RN, and they later found her daughter's body tied up in the basement, and some point after that she asked BR if he had anything to do with the crime.
PATSY RAMSEY: "Burke Ramsey did not do this, okay. He did not do this. Get off it."
TOM HANEY: "How do you know that, though? I mean, have you talked to him about it?"
PATSY RAMSEY: "Yes."
Nobody "wondered" about JOnbenet that day....it's one of the things that makes her death so tragic. Each member of her family got the hell out of dodge as soon as humanly possible. The nanosecond she is officially found, John and Patsy practically run from the crime scene yet you expect the 9 year old son to be above this level of dysfunction?I am surprised Burke didn't have any questions right away. He didn't wonder about Jonbenet at all. I would have had many questions. If they were as close as everyone stated.
John and Patsy Ramsey were separately interviewed for three days on June 23, 24, and 25, 1998 -- and Burke Ramsey had been interviewed for three days one week earlier. Burke's interview is not available, but here's excerpts from some of Patsy's responses to questions asked by Tom Haney about Burke:
TH: "What have you told Burke about the murder?"
PR: "To date?"
TH: "To date."
PR: "Well, just that we are going to try to find out who did this to JonBenet. I haven't told him anything about how she was murdered or the details like that."
TH: "What details would he know or had you talked with him about?"
PR: "To be quite honest, we really haven't talked to him much about it. It's too hard, you know, it's hard to talk about."
TH: "Has he volunteered information?"
PR: "No."
TH: "Has he had questions?"
PR: "No."
TH: "Never 'what's going to happen, who did it'?"
PR: "No."
TH: "Did he ever mention getting up at any time during the night?"
PR: "No."
TH: "So he slept through until -- I believe it was John that ultimately got him up to take to the Fernies?"
PR: "Yes, to my knowledge."
(At that point the Ramseys had not been informed they had Burke's voice on the enhanced 911 tape. The question was formed to lock in Patsy's lie about Burke being in bed asleep during the 911 call.)
TH: "How about with the moving and all of that, has that caused some problems for him, change of schools?"
PR: "Yeah. And I have been in touch with the counselors and the teachers and everybody, alert to this. And they said that -- they are remarkably surprised at how well he is doing. He just makes friends and gets good grades."
TH: "So his adjustment's been pretty -- "
PR: "Been pretty good."
TH: "You mentioned I think when I asked you yesterday, had you seen an interview from last week with Burke. You said no?"
PR: "No."
TH: "There were like three days, and the first two days were pretty basic questions, but on the third day there were questions where the discussion was around JonBenet and death. And I am no psychologist, psychiatrist, but immediately noticed a change in Burke and his demeanor. He's curled up in his chair something like this, not sitting like this, but in a chair like this, and he's half in a fetal position and it seems to be a real struggle, a real difficult time. I am wondering if you noticed anything similar, any changes?"
PR: "Well, I may have -- I have had him in therapy just for this reason."
TH: "Does it seem like he knows more than he is saying, and obviously he's not saying much?"
PR: "Right."
TH: "Like he's keeping something in?"
PR: "As far as something about who did it, I don't think he knows. I mean, he would say."
TH: "Is that something that you have asked the doctor to explore?"
PR: "I don't know if I have directly asked him that."
JMO
Blue Crab - I wish you were here again.