Penn State Sandusky scandal: AD arrested, Paterno, Spanier fired; coverup charged #3

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MagnoliaMom said:
Very disturbing that McQuery witnesses the rape of Victim 2 on March 1, 2002 and on March 28, 2002 plays in a charity football game coached by Sandusky.

Fantastic timeline by the way and thanks.
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That is f'n crazy and sick and wrong! :furious:ARGH...I think that people who allow others to prey on children are just as guilty as the perp. Ohhh...this makes me sooooo mad. It is exactly this that causes me at 49 years old to have issues with my bioMom. Served me up like Thanksgiving turkey to two of them. I will never understand someone turning away from protecting a child.
 
The letter had to have been between march of 2007 and Jan of 2009..............................Consolidation with Independence Blue Cross

On March 28, 2007, Highmark announced that it intended to consolidate with Independence Blue Cross of Philadelphia. The combination of these insurers would have created a new company with over 18,000 employees, with dual-headquarters in both Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. The new company would have had an economic impact of over $4 billion throughout the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. On January 22, 2009, Highmark and Independence Blue Cross withdrew their applications to consolidate. This was due to the unacceptability of conditions that the Pennsylvania Insurance Department was going to place upon the merger [1]. [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highmark"]Highmark - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 
Jerry sent that letter that appears to show he is representing Second Mile. The date of the meeting was released in May of 2008 and the meeting was in July of 2008. ......................................................... FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
May 12, 2008


INSURANCE DEPARTMENT TO HOLD STATEWIDE MEETINGS ON PROPOSED CONSOLIDATION OF INDEPENDENCE BLUE CROSS, HIGHMARK



HARRISBURG – Acting Insurance Commissioner Joel Ario today announced that the Insurance Department has scheduled a series of public informational hearings across the state to hear from consumers and other affected parties about how the proposed consolidation of Highmark Inc. and Independence Blue Cross, plus related changes, will impact the healthcare marketplace.



The hearings will be held July 8 in Pittsburgh , July 10 in Harrisburg , and July 15 in Philadelphia . Each informational hearing will begin at 9 a.m. and evening sessions, starting at 7 p.m. , will also be held. Individuals who wish to offer comments at the hearings are encouraged to pre-register. .............................. http://www.portal.state.pa.us/porta...media/news___media/articles/may_12__2008.html
 
stilettos said:
That is f'n crazy and sick and wrong! :furious:ARGH...I think that people who allow others to prey on children are just as guilty as the perp. Ohhh...this makes me sooooo mad. It is exactly this that causes me at 49 years old to have issues with my bioMom. Served me up like Thanksgiving turkey to two of them. I will never understand someone turning away from protecting a child.
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Stilettos I am so sorry. I too am unable to understand not protecting a child.
 
Are you seriously suggesting that Highmark and the Blues are consolidating because of Sandusky? LOL Please continue! I truly despise these entities. Yes, I was employed for years with the Death Star Health Center (inside Pittsburgh joke).
 
Rlaub44 said:
Actually, if you read the link, Leonard Fiore Co. has been doing work for Penn State since before Michael Fiore served on the board of The Second Mile - no surprise, because they are a major construction firm in central PA.

I don't mean to dampen anyone's outrage, but I worry that we are tarring everyone with a very broad brush. While I am not connected to The Second Mile or any of the construction companies that are now being scrutinized, I did receive an undergraduate and graduate degree from Penn State, and I promise that I didn't know anything about Sandusky's horrific actions. In a later occupation, I even distributed Second Mile sponsored PSU football cards as rewards for student achievement; does that mean I had to be in the know?

I know it is tempting to try to make sinister linkages, but remember that both Penn State and the Second Mile are large businesses in Centre County, and there are going to be persons with ties to both - that does not warrant accusations of corruption or guilt against them until we have evidence of misbehavior or even suspicious behavior on their parts.

We have enough people in this terrible scandal to legitimately be disgusted with; we shouldn't slander those who may just have had misfortunate coincidental connections.



I responded to your post, Papa, but I don't mean to direct this just to you. I have seen a bunch of concerning posts on this thread, and I hope we can keep our focus.
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Thank you for your post. :)

<modsnip>! LOL :D
 
Rlaub44 said:
I don't mean to dampen anyone's outrage, but I worry that we are tarring everyone with a very broad brush. While I am not connected to The Second Mile or any of the construction companies that are now being scrutinized, I did receive an undergraduate and graduate degree from Penn State, and I promise that I didn't know anything about Sandusky's horrific actions. In a later occupation, I even distributed Second Mile sponsored PSU football cards as rewards for student achievement; does that mean I had to be in the know?
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For me, personally, it's about understanding how a culture enabled a pedophile to operate within its midst for decades. I can't even use the word "unchecked" since he was checked in 1998 and 2002 and allowed continued access to university facilities anyway. How did that happen and why did it happen at Penn State?

Sandusky, the child predator, understood that the unique atmosphere at Penn State could not be duplicated elsewhere. In the late 1980's, Sandusky was offered the head coaching position at Temple University. He turned it down. Below are the reasons he gave for the decision in his book:

I spoke with the athletic director (of Temple University) again, and I told him I would have to think everything over and that there would probably be more questions. I vacillated for a number of days, and finally, Dottie accompanied me to Philadelphia with the thoughts and intentions of accepting the position. Then, sometime during the day, when it was expected I would accept the Temple offer, I turned it down. I just decided I couldn't leave the things that were so near and dear to me: The Second Mile, Penn State football, and the State College atmosphere that I had thought was so much like my hometown I had first arrived at campus as a new freshman.

The Temple athletic director said something to me before I had made my decision that probably meant to entice me, but instead, it probably deterred me. "There are only two things we want you to accomplish here, he told me. "One is to help Temple get to the Sugar Bowl, and the other is to help us beat Penn State."

When he said those words, they echoed in my ears like something I had never possibly imagine think about. Somehow, that notion just didn't register in my mind. "Beat Penn State." The place I loved; the place I had grown so close to, with so many people over so many years, I was flattered that the university president had so much faith in me and the athletic director wanted me for this job, but fate had somehow intervened again. The thought of leaving Penn State died when he uttered those words.

pg 177
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Sandusky used Penn State to gain access to vulnerable children. I would be outraged if I was a Penn State alumnus. However, it appears to the outsider, that the first instinct of the Penn State community is to protect the university, à la Mike Mcqueary. I would encourage all good and decent Penn Staters to not be so defensive. Instead, help the rest of us better understand how this could have happened and how we can prevent it from happening elsewhere.
 
Filly said:
They've helped support a cop killer by giving money to aid his defense. Just saying.


RIP Officer Faulkner
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I don't want to threadjack, but thank you Filly for that reminder.

I haven't bought Ben and Jerry's products for years and never will, thanks to their support for the Mumia disinformation machine.
 
Pensfan said:
Are you seriously suggesting that Highmark and the Blues are consolidating because of Sandusky? LOL Please continue! I truly despise these entities. Yes, I was employed for years with the Death Star Health Center (inside Pittsburgh joke).
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No, I was simply trying to figure out when Sandusky spoke to the merger under the letter head Sandusky and Associates but uses the name Second Mile in the text of his letter. I was trying to see if this was after he was supposed to have cut ties with Second Mile.
 
Pensfan said:
Thank you for your post. :)

Pretty much everyone who has ever lived in PA or vacationed in PA has been implicated here, but keep reading as this thread is taking an upturn. Highmark and the Blues are next in line to be implicated! LOL :D
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BBM That is not true and you know it.
 
BigCat said:
For me, personally, it's about understanding how a culture enabled a pedophile to operate within its midst for decades. I can't even use the word "unchecked" since he was checked in 1998 and 2002 and allowed continued access to university facilities anyway. How did that happen and why did it happen at Penn State?

Sandusky, the child predator, understood that the unique atmosphere at Penn State could not be duplicated elsewhere. In the late 1980's, Sandusky was offered the head coaching position at Temple University. He turned it down. Below are the reasons he gave for the decision in his book:



Sandusky used Penn State to gain access to vulnerable children. I would be outraged if I was a Penn State alumnus. However, it appears to the outsider, that the first instinct of the Penn State community is to protect the university, à la Mike Mcqueary. I would encourage all good and decent Penn Staters to not be so defensive. Instead, help the rest of us better understand how this could have happened and how we can prevent it from happening elsewhere.
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This evil was not perpetuated by the current 92,000 students or the 500,000 alums of Penn State. Penn Staters are outraged by little boys being raped on campus.

You would find the last chapter of People of the Lie by Dr. Scott Peck informative. Please read about "group evil" and realize that Penn State alumni and entities affiliated with it are not the source of this evil. There are only a few known evil individuals in this discussion. There has been a HUGE amount of speculating and posting of rumors.

The unique atmosphere at Penn State is the same atmosphere that exists in other cohesive groups. There will be a few evil individuals at every campus, every church, every orphanage, every summer camp and etc... Sadly, there will be a few individuals that will not speak up to protect the innocent at each of these entities too.
The reason Sandusky was able to rape little boys for years was that so few individuals knew of his behavior and the few that knew were pathetically weak and immoral.
 
Every single person I have mentioned in any post has come from the main stream press and stories they are doing about them and the connections to Jerry.
 
Dr.Fessel said:
Every single person I have mentioned in any post has come from the main stream press and stories they are doing about them and the connections to Jerry.
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They had known connections to Second Mile which was touted as a wonderful organization for underprivileged children.

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By the Associated Press, Published: November*18
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. &#8212; Faculty members at Penn State on Friday called for an independent investigation of how the university handled allegations of child sexual abuse, and the school indicated that may be forthcoming.

The faculty Senate endorsed a resolution asking for an investigation to be led by a committee whose chair has no links to Penn State. The resolution also called for a majority of the group&#8217;s members to have never been affiliated with the university.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...-allegations/2011/11/18/gIQAMlfFZN_story.html
 
Pensfan said:
This evil was not perpetuated by the current 92,000 students or the 500,000 alums of Penn State. Penn Staters are outraged by little boys being raped on campus.

You would find the last chapter of People of the Lie by Dr. Scott Peck informative. Please read about "group evil" and realize that Penn State alumni and entities affiliated with it are not the source of this evil. There are only a few known evil individuals in this discussion. There has been a HUGE amount of speculating and posting of rumors.

The unique atmosphere at Penn State is the same atmosphere that exists in other cohesive groups. There will be a few evil individuals at every campus, every church, every orphanage, every summer camp and etc... Sadly, there will be a few individuals that will not speak up to protect the innocent at each of these entities too.
The reason Sandusky was able to rape little boys for years was that so few individuals knew of his behavior and the few that knew were pathetically weak and immoral.
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I don't think anyone is suggesting that Penn Staters are evil. I know I'm not. Perhaps the lesson we take from this is that the atmosphere at Penn State is too big and too cohesive.

It is a notorious fact that the morality of society as a whole is in inverse ration to its size; for greater the greater the aggregation of individuals, the more the individual factors are blotted out, and with them morality, which rests entirely on the moral sense of the individual and the freedom necessary for this. Hence every man is, in a certain sense, unconsciously a worse man when he is in society than when acting alone; for he is carried by society and to the extent relived of his individual responsibility. Any large company composed of wholly admirable persons has the morality and intelligence of an unwieldy, stupid, and violent animal. The bigger the organization, the more unavoidable is its immorality and blind stupidity.

In a small social body, the individuality of its members is better safeguarded, and the greater is their relative freedom and the possibility of conscious responsibility. Without freedom there can be no morality. Our admiration for great organizations dwindles once we become aware of the other side of the wonder: the tremendous piling up and accentuation of all that is primitive in man, and the unavoidable destruction of his individuality in the interests of the monstrosity that every great organization in fact is.

Carl Jung, The Assimilation of the Unconscious (240)
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wfgodot said:
Huge, definitive timeline here:

Timeline: Sandusky's double life - in public, a saint; in private, an alleged monster (citizensvoice.com)
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From the timeline:

Sandusky later addresses the convention, speaking on the topic, "Working With Young People."

A more accurate title for his address might have been "Working On (some) Young People (to break down their resistance)."

I know he allegedly committed these crimes but how many red flags does a guy like this have to send up? (rhetorical, frustration-based question)

This morning I landed on the archive site for an old Kansas newspaper (1909). One particular article was a real eye-opener in terms of how situations were handled back then. On the other hand, the way a few Penn State officials handled this situation was pretty antiquated as well.



Excerpt:

July 16, 1909
STRANGE ADVENTURES OF TWO SMALL BOYS.
SAW SIGHTS AND FRIGHTENED THEIR PARENTS.
Johnny and Tommy, 10 and 8 Years Old, Respectively,
Had High Time While Folks Had Visions of Kidnaping.

Without permission of their respective parents, XXXXXXXX, 10, and XXXXXX, 8 years old, took a day off from home and spent the whole of Saturday night and Sunday in wandering about the towns and parks surrounding Kansas City, much to the consternation, grief and anxiety of their families.

When the boys were missed Saturday night it was learned that they had gone with an employee of Electric park. XXXX XXXXXXX, 29 years of age, who has a longing for the companionship of small boys, being evidenced by his having led other urchins on several days' tours of the surrounding country on previous occasions. (BBM)


Here's a link in case anyone is interested. Unfortunately, I can't isolate the actual article so a page search is required. Just search the word "strange" and you'll get to the headline/article:

http://www.vintagekansascity.com/100yearsago/labels/Swope park.html
 
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