Penn State Sandusky scandal: AD arrested, Paterno, Spanier fired; coverup charged #5

[J. J. in Phila]

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/12/03/sports/ncaafootball/20111202-sandusky-audio.html?ref=ncaafootball

Sorry to relentlessly post links to this interview, but I do believe it provides a very important insight not only into the mind of JS, but also into his relationship with his lawyer JA...

Please click on link #12 titled "Bob Costas Interview" starting at 17 seconds:

JS: ... <snipped> If say no, I'm not attracted to boys, that's not the truth, because I'm attracted to young people, boys, girls [Amendola shouts from somewhere else in the room, "Even not sexually... you're attracted because you enjoy spending time with them..."] JS then amends to say, "I enjoy, that's what I was tryin' to say, I [Amendola: "Answer that"] enjoy spending time with young people, I enjoy spending time with people. My two favorite groups are the elderly and the young. The young because they don't think about what they say, and the old because they don't care.... I love being around both groups, both those groups of people, and neither one of the are going anywhere, they're not caught up like all of us in trying to make a living and trying to impress people... they are who they are, and that's why I love... those groups."

Mr. Amendola is a bright guy and has a fairly good track record as a defense attorney, but I cannot for the life of me figure out why he is letting his client talk to the press. It is like watching a slow suicide.

Maybe they are working on an insanity defense?

 

[Pensfan]

I hope to see these two tangle in their respective narrative of events:

Quote:
Mr. Sandusky, in the interview, said word of an episode with a young boy in the shower reached Mr. Raykovitz. He said he talked with Mr. Raykovitz, and identified the boy he thought Penn State was concerned about. Mr. Sandusky, though, said Mr. Raykovitz did not see fit to limit his interaction with youths, in part because he was aware of the nature of Mr. Sandusky&#8217;s mentoring relationship with the boy, and in part because he knew Mr. Sandusky had undergone repeated background checks clearing him to work with children.

Mr. Raykovitz&#8217;s lawyer, Kevin L. Hand, called Mr. Sandusky&#8217;s account inaccurate, but refused to say more.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/03/s...ky-tells-his-own-story.html?pagewanted=2&_r=2



No telling what kind of truths would shake out of that tree.

Dr. Raykovitz, child psychologist and CEO of Second mile for 28 years, is having his lawyer answer his questions. (Swell.) Does anyone know if this is Raykovitz's personal attorney or the attorney for the board of control at Second Mile? The only name I can find associated with Kevin Hand is Raykovitz.

 

[Reader]

I am not sure they will be able to use that law retroactive if it is passed before the trial. Wish they would have addressed that in the article.

If I'm reading this correctly, the bill will not be retroactive:

"Section 2. The addition of 42 Pa.C.S. § 5920 shall apply to


actions initiated on or after the effective date of this


section.


Section 3. This act shall take effect in 60 days.

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS...d=0&billBody=H&billTyp=B&billNbr=1264&pn=1387

--------

It was referred to the Pa. Senate Judiciary Committee on 6/26/11

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/billinfo/billinfo.cfm?syear=2011&sind=0&body=H&type=B&BN=1264

 

[BennyProfane]

Canadian hero Sheldon Kennedy to appear before Senate hearings on the scandal:

http://www.cbc.ca/albertaatnoon/epi...y-to-help-us-deal-with-scandal-at-penn-state/

This is some background for people who haven't heard of him. Things are very different up here because of what he accomplished in the mid-90's.
http://www.thestar.com/sports/colle...-opportunity-to-create-awareness-kennedy-says

ALSO, if you're at all curious about the mentality of victims from the athletic field, buy his book. It's still available on Amazon:
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[Reader]

Mr. Amendola is a bright guy and has a fairly good track record as a defense attorney, but I cannot for the life of me figure out why he is letting his client talk to the press. It is like watching a slow suicide.

Maybe they are working on an insanity defense?

The lawyer might have this in mind, but I don't think JS would EVER agree to an insanity defense...he thinks he's just a misunderstood good guy, all those underage kids were just 'reaching out' to him, ya know?

ETA that I agree with you, it's hard to figure out what kind of defense this is when Amendola is putting JS out there revealing himself so openly. The only thing I can imagine (someone here mentioned before) is trying to influence a potential jury.

 

[ThoughtFox]

Answering your rhetorical question.....

Big Bad Wold, Pied Piper, Dolores Umbridge, Gilderoy Lockhart, and The Child Catcher do not have pedo characteristics except that some worked around children and chose children as their victims. Therefore, they fall under the category of conscienceless psychopath.
http://crime.about.com/od/sex/p/pedophile.htm

Look, I'm speaking metaphorically and my point was that throughout history no one wanted to believe that adults would abuse children sexually. But they used these types of cautionary tales to show that adults were often not what they seemed and they could even fool other adults. That was my point - not that Harry Potter is a pedophile treatise (I originally had Fenrir Greyback the werewolf down on the list, but he is also a cannibal that preys on children and he's not attractive. Voldemort is the same type of psycho, but he does attack children and was more attractive in his own youth.)

Anyway, Jerry was not what he seemed, and most other pedophiles know how to lure children into things by acting as if they love children. They don't go around like snarling psychopaths. ETA: However, it's on the record that Jerry did threaten kids who wanted to stop meeting with him, and that's pretty cold and violent.

What if some of us see Pedophiles as a type of Sociopath? I don't know what other conclusion to draw, since they are inflicting control and evil on the most innocent part of society and all they ever say in their own defense is that they were "helping" children. OMG.

 

[Reader]

Canadian hero Sheldon Kennedy to appear before Senate hearings on the scandal:

http://www.cbc.ca/albertaatnoon/epi...y-to-help-us-deal-with-scandal-at-penn-state/

This is some background for people who haven't heard of him. Things are very different up here because of what he accomplished in the mid-90's.
http://www.thestar.com/sports/colle...-opportunity-to-create-awareness-kennedy-says

ALSO, if you're at all curious about the mentality of victims from the athletic field, buy his book. It's still available on Amazon:
Amazon.com: Why I Didn't Say Anything (9781897178072): Sheldon Kennedy: Books

Thanks for that information and link:

"But in the notoriety — and widespread public disgust at the alleged abuser, former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky, and university brass for not stopping it — Kennedy sees “a great opportunity” to create more awareness of the issue.

“When there’s a crisis, that creates a platform for change to happen,” said Kennedy, 42, who is co-founder of Respect Group Inc., an organization which aims to educate coaches and activity leaders about abuse, bullying, harassment and neglect. “They’ve got a great opportunity.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/colle...-opportunity-to-create-awareness-kennedy-says

We need an organization like that, not only in Pa. but nationally, and it should be a requirement for all sports leaders and coaches.

 

[Pensfan]

Look, I'm speaking metaphorically and my point was that throughout history no one wanted to believe that adults would abuse children sexually. But they used these types of cautionary tales to show that adults were often not what they seemed and they could even fool other adults. That was my point - not that Harry Potter is a pedophile treatise (I originally had Fenrir Greyback the werewolf down on the list, but he is also a cannibal that preys on children and he's not attractive. Voldemort is the same type of psycho, but he does attack children and was more attractive in his own youth.)

Anyway, Jerry was not what he seemed, and most other pedophiles know how to lure children into things by acting as if they love children. They don't go around like snarling psychopaths. ETA: However, it's on the record that Jerry did threaten kids who wanted to stop meeting with him, and that's pretty cold and violent.

What if some of us see Pedophiles as a type of Sociopath? I don't know what other conclusion to draw, since they are inflicting control and evil on the most innocent part of society and all they ever say in their own defense is that they were "helping" children. OMG.

My post was not being snarky. It listed facts that I thought were interesting. Like just about everyone, I also view many of the behaviors of pedophiles as sociopathic.

Pensfan
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verified psychiatric mental health nurse

 

[LRinCA]

I noticed that "reached out to" has been used as a descriptive term in several different ways by JS in news interviews. Odd, and disturbing IMO. Sorry, I haven't been able to put together a list of all of the ways he has used this term. Search it in connection with him, and you will begin to see.

And taking the title of his book into consideration...

(Someone has probably already mentioned this - I should read the entire thread before commenting)


I saw a just a short snippet of the Sandusky interview this afternoon and my take is this:

There's something seriously wrong with the guy! Even without the pedophile charges there's something off about the guy. (I hope it's okay to say something like this on the board).

For some reason the movie Of Mice and Men comes to mind. I don't really recall anything about the movie (or book) other than the very end but Jerry Sandusky is reminding me of a mash-up between Lennie Small and the little girl in The Bad Seed.

 

[Pensfan]

Thanks for that information and link:

"But in the notoriety &#8212; and widespread public disgust at the alleged abuser, former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky, and university brass for not stopping it &#8212; Kennedy sees &#8220;a great opportunity&#8221; to create more awareness of the issue.

&#8220;When there&#8217;s a crisis, that creates a platform for change to happen,&#8221; said Kennedy, 42, who is co-founder of Respect Group Inc., an organization which aims to educate coaches and activity leaders about abuse, bullying, harassment and neglect. &#8220;They&#8217;ve got a great opportunity.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/colle...-opportunity-to-create-awareness-kennedy-says

We need an organization like that, not only in Pa. but nationally, and it should be a requirement for all sports leaders and coaches.

last sentence bbm
...........and all other organizations that serve children. I have wondered how many pedophiles are in the ranks of the largest organization that serves children in the USA (Big Brothers Big Sisters) and if they have a anti-pedophile program to block pedophiles from volunteering.

 

[MaryNo]

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/12/jerry_sanduskys_willingness_to.html

Half the attorneys general in the United States were at a national meeting with former Pennsylvania Attorney General Walter Cohen.

Cohen said, &#8220;These guys come up to me and say, &#8216;What&#8217;s going on here?&#8217; They&#8217;re all news junkies. ... They&#8217;re all saying, &#8216;What is this guy doing? He&#8217;s destroying his client.&#8217; &#8221;

&#8220;You could talk to 100 lawyers who&#8217;ve represented criminal defendants in high-profile cases,&#8221; Cohen said, &#8220;and I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;ll find any who&#8217;d say they&#8217;d have their client submit to the kind of interviews this lawyer is soliciting for his client.&#8221;

Sandusky recently talked to a New York Times reporter for four hours.

Amendola sat nearby in a rocking chair, checking his cell phone.

More at the link above ...

 

[katydid23]

And taking the title of his book into consideration...

(Someone has probably already mentioned this - I should read the entire thread before commenting)


I saw a just a short snippet of the Sanduskey interview this afternoon and my take is this:

There's something seriously wrong with the guy! Even without the pedophile charges there's something off about the guy. (I hope it's okay to say something like this on the board).

For some reason the movie Of Mice and Men comes to mind. I don't really recall anything about the movie (or book) other than the very end but Jerry Sanduskey is reminding me of a mash-up between Lennie Small and the little girl in The Bad Seed.

I agree. He came off as so creepy, but it was like he didn't even realize how sick he sounded. And he had this really crazy big smile while he was talking about how attracted he was to kids---'not sexually though. 'His lawyer reminded him to point that out.

 

[MaryNo]

Bolded by me ...

You're in my head - I can't tell you how many times over the years this thought has crossed my mind when hearing of other scandals such as this.

It's a chilling thought.

last sentence bbm
...........and all other organizations that serve children. I have wondered how many pedophiles are in the ranks of the largest organization that serves children in the USA (Big Brothers Big Sisters) and if they have a anti-pedophile program to block pedophiles from volunteering.

 

[LRinCA]

katydid23 - I just now saw the part you mentioned:


Today Show - re: Sandusky uploaded 12/3/2011 (In case it hasn't been posted already)
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP-s_QCIoM0"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP-s_QCIoM0[/ame]





I keep going back to the line in his book about all the games the older men taught him to play when he was a kid...

 

[ynotdivein]

See, this is it exactly. If Amendola advised Sandusky to just hide until his first court appearance, that would give his accusers and the media that much time to make hay.

Think about it from Amendola's point of view--either your client makes NO media comment, in which case the other side gets an open field between now and the court date during which time they will annihilate your client in the MSM--OR, you do your best to get your client's mug out there in some kind of "normal" setting, and you try to normalize him as much as possible (even if you have to occasionally scream reminders to him from the sidelines in order to prevent him from admitting that he is, in fact, sexually attracted to young boys and whatnot).

&#8216;Second guessing&#8217;

Cohen can&#8217;t help wondering if Amendola isn&#8217;t more sly fox than Wile E. Coyote.

&#8220;He may be out-smarting us all,&#8221; Cohen said.

Sandusky is facing a preliminary hearing on the charges against him this month.

Cohen said that since prosecutors don&#8217;t have to present extensive evidence at the proceeding, conventional wisdom says Amendola should waive the hearing &#8220;and wait to see to what extent you can punch holes in the testimony at trial.&#8221;

But he said Amendola &#8220;may be trying to force the prosecutors to come forward with actual evidence from all the victims to counter this publicity he&#8217;s putting out there. ... He may feel he&#8217;s forcing the attorney general to put on live witnesses at the preliminary hearing, who will then be questioned about events 10 or 12 years ago and may testify at the hearing differently on some details than they did to the grand jury, and he&#8217;ll have two prior inconsistent statements when they testify at trial.

&#8220;It&#8217;s the only thing I can think of that he&#8217;s trying to accomplish from a legal standpoint,&#8221; Cohen said.

And in the court of public opinion, even though Sandusky&#8217;s performance has been &#8220;bizarre,&#8221; Amendola&#8217;s strategy may be to &#8220;send up this cloud of floating question marks&#8221; and get people to wondering &#8220;If the guy really did this, how could he be talking? Any of us, we&#8217;d be lying under the covers in a fetal position,&#8221; Cohen said.

 

[LRinCA]

BBM

(CNN) -- Attorneys for alleged victims of Jerry Sandusky lashed out Saturday at a new interview with the former Penn State football coach, with one calling it "another failed attempt to manipulate the public."

Howard Janet, who represents the person identified as Victim 6 in the grand jury report that led to Sandusky's indictment, said Sandusky also attempted -- unsuccessfully -- to "manipulate the future jury pool."


http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/04/us/penn-state-scandal/

 

[Pensfan]

It is impossible to believe that Second Mile told Sandusky to not have contact with children after 2002 as Dr. Raykovitz&#8217;s attorney (who now speaks for that child psychologist) stated. Sandusky took an annual $57,000 consulting fee from the Second Mile, between 2000 until 2008, according to the organization&#8217;s tax forms.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/1...ania-charity-learned-allegations-tax-records/

 

[LRinCA]

What?!?!?!?

What kind of strange wording is this? (BBM)

"he didn't want me to bring kids (into university facilities) and work them out anymore," according to the interview. From the CNN article: http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/04/us/penn-state-scandal/


I'm immediately reminded of this (November 15, 2011 NY Times:

Jerry Sandusky: &#8220;many more young people who would come forward and say that my methods, and what I had done for them made a very positive impact on their life. - Sandusky

 

[Pensfan]

katydid23 - I just now saw the part you mentioned:


Today Show - re: Sandusky uploaded 12/3/2011 (In case it hasn't been posted already)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP-s_QCIoM0





I keep going back to the line in his book about all the games the older men taught him to play when he was a kid...

Don't miss what his dad chose as his profession and how they lived above an underprivileged youth center and that this job did not pay much money according to Sandusky. Understand that unemployment did not rise in W. Pennsylvania until the mid 1970s. Other jobs were available.

 

[LRinCA]

Amendola sounds like he's speaking to a child:


“All those good things that you were doing have been turned around,” Mr. Amendola said, speaking to his client, “and the people who are painting you as a monster are saying, ‘Well, they’re the types of things that people who are pedophiles exhibit.’ ”