Penn State Sandusky scandal: AD arrested, Paterno, Spanier fired; coverup charged #6

[StellarsJay]

Up North:
Canadian hockey coach victim Sheldon Kennedy testifies before US congress that on average a victim has to tell the story 7 times before it is acted on:
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...gress-empower-the-bystanders-to-sexual-abuse/

Coach Graham James abused players Sheldon Kennedy, Theo Fleury, and others for years- after a short sentence Canada pardoned the coach but in 2010 changed the law so abusers cannnot get pardons. This month James pled guilty to more charges.
http://www.globaltvedmonton.com/graham+james+decades+of+abuse/6442537452/story.html
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2010-2011/thefallandriseoftheofleury/timeline.html

 

[concentric]

Up North:
Canadian hockey coach victim Sheldon Kennedy testifies before US congress that on average a victim has to tell the story 7 times before it is acted on:
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...gress-empower-the-bystanders-to-sexual-abuse/

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Sheldon Kennedy urges Congress: ‘Empower the bystanders’ to sexual abuse

Amen to that.

Meanwhile, also, Up North:

http://www.behindthepinecurtain.com/wordpress/weber-updated-timeline/

2011

In November of 2011, Weber resigned from the following positions:

Chairman of the Board; Rainbow Research (Minneapolis, MN)
Mentor; Donald McNeely Center for Entrepreneurship (Collegeville, MN)
Board of Directors; Greater Twin Cities United Way

Michael W. Weber: Recent Roles

Chairman of the Board; Rainbow Research (Minneapolis, MN)

Resigned

Rainbow Research has demonstrated background and experience in designing and conducting evaluations of programs and services dedicated to the prevention of and protection from events that could endanger the safety of children, youth, and families.

 

[ThoughtFox]

BBM

From watching him blathering on and having that stupid grin on his face, I agree that he is closer mentally/emotionally to a 16 year old - or perhaps a 14 year old. If that is true, how is it that no one at Penn State could see that? It is beyond reasoning that he could have been in his position for as long as he has and not one person could discern that he is an obviously extremely mentally immature individual who has no place on any college campus. :waitasec:

One of my sons played football and wrestling for 9 years - and also golf, and my daughter and youngest played everything from softball to church basketball . . . and I have to say that Sandusky talks just like every coach I have ever met!

No offense to all other coaches, but people don't expect you to talk like a Rhodes Scholar if you are connected to sports.

All Jerry has ever studied is phys ed and football, so people expected him to talk that way. It's like a mask and a persona that works really well when talking to children or college students.

And adults are fooled because they think it's great that someone is "young at heart" or "talking to the kids on their level."

Of course he was grown-up enough to set up a popular charity, raise tons of money, and make business deals with Penn State, Paterno, and the rest of them. So I guess he could turn on the adult side when he wanted.

 

[Reader]

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/

Amendola on Today show this a.m.
Not really anything new.

Geez, he's back at it today? You would have thought that more than an hour talking to reporters yesterday would be enough to satisfy his ego...

I'm beginning to think Amendola knows there's not much he can do for JS, so he's just using the opportunity for publicity.

In my imagination, I see him calling the prosecutors and saying he will waive the prelim if the state would consider a plea deal...and the prosecutors said, sure we will......and he just made them more confident in their case...

 

[Reader]

I heard the defense atty on CNN this morning. He said that the reason they deferred, basically, was to prevent the bond from going up or being revoked. Could that be true? Maybe one reason, but not the only reason, imo.

From what I've read, if the judge remanded him for trial based on the evidence presented, yes, he could increase or revoke bail. He could add more charges or take some away also. I would think the state would have emphasized that JS, his wife and the lawyer have been contacting, or attempting to contact, witnesses, and having a couple over for dinner, in a request for bail to be revoked.

 

[Reader]

Florida allows felons to serve on a jury and many of Casey's jurors had criminal records. IMO, many of the most persuasive jurors at Casey's trial had grudges to settle with LE and they resolved their anger by freeing Casey. In Pennsylvania, those convicted of a felony are not allowed to serve on a jury. In some counties in Pennsylvania if you have been convicted of a misdemeanor, you are not obligated to serve as a juror.
http://www.buckscounty.org/courts/courtinfo/juryduty/FrequentlyAskedQuestions.aspx

BBM

It's the same in Florida, a convicted felon cannot serve unless their civil rights have been restored and it's not an easy process.

I don't know what happened with the Casey jury, did not watch the jury selection. They apparently can serve if they had a misdemeanor on record.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0040/SEC013.HTM&Title=->2006->Ch0040->Section%20013#0040.013

http://www.aclufl.org/issues/voting_rights/applying_for_rights_restoration.cfm

 

[Tipstaff]

Here is some news just posted by the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette,


Sandusky attorney said he cut bail deal with AG

By Moriah Balingit, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
The attorney for Jerry Sandusky said today that his client waived his preliminary hearing Tuesday as part of an agreement with prosecutors to not raise his bail

In a statement released today, Mr. Amendola said the decision was part of an arrangement with the state attorney general's office, which is prosecuting the case, to keep his bail at $250,000.

Mr. Amendola said he and the prosecuting attorney corresponded throughout the day Monday and learned that the prosecution wanted to have Mr. Sandusky's bail increased.

Here is the link for the full article,

www.postgazette.com/pg/11348/1196937-100.stm#ixzz1gYuCGUcL

More going on in this case - wow just wow!

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Here is some news just posted by the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette,


Sandusky attorney said he cut bail deal with AG

By Moriah Balingit, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
The attorney for Jerry Sandusky said today that his client waived his preliminary hearing Tuesday as part of an agreement with prosecutors to not raise his bail

In a statement released today, Mr. Amendola said the decision was part of an arrangement with the state attorney general's office, which is prosecuting the case, to keep his bail at $250,000.

Mr. Amendola said he and the prosecuting attorney corresponded throughout the day Monday and learned that the prosecution wanted to have Mr. Sandusky's bail increased.

Here is the link for the full article,

www.postgazette.com/pg/11348/1196937-100.stm#ixzz1gYuCGUcL

More going on in this case - wow just wow!

That is not a position of strength. :waitasec:

 

[BigCat]

Here is some news just posted by the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette,


Sandusky attorney said he cut bail deal with AG

By Moriah Balingit, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
The attorney for Jerry Sandusky said today that his client waived his preliminary hearing Tuesday as part of an agreement with prosecutors to not raise his bail

In a statement released today, Mr. Amendola said the decision was part of an arrangement with the state attorney general's office, which is prosecuting the case, to keep his bail at $250,000.

Mr. Amendola said he and the prosecuting attorney corresponded throughout the day Monday and learned that the prosecution wanted to have Mr. Sandusky's bail increased.

Here is the link for the full article,

www.postgazette.com/pg/11348/1196937-100.stm#ixzz1gYuCGUcL

More going on in this case - wow just wow!

Based on what I read, it doesn't sound like much of a deal. It was more like Amendola didn't go through with the preliminary and, thus, the prosecuting attorney couldn't propose raising the bail. Or can the AG's office propose raising Sandusky's bail whenever they want?

 

[Tipstaff]

That is not a position of strength. :waitasec:

Don't understand why the State doesn't want a higher bail or Sandusky in jail unless they are expecting more victims to come forward and will go through round 3 of arresting him, taking him back jail and then raising the bond.

Is there a poker game going on here?

 

[Quiche]

Sandusky may have been so focused on "the children" that he forgot to make himself rich. His salary from TSM was modest, at best-- and when you take away all the freebies, he doesn't really have much going on. I don't think they can come up with any more bail (and pay the lawyer too), so this was a deal to keep him out of jail until the trial is over. He knows he's going to prison for the rest of his life, but he wants to keep up the charade as long as possible. Home for Christmas, New Year's, Valentine's Day... Simple living with simple Dottie coddling and pampering him. moo


Speaking of Dottie: I cannot, for one minute, imagine old Jer doing anything domestic-- like cleaning up after himself around the house. I think Dottie prepared those guest rooms, and cleaned them when the "guests" were gone-- even the "accommodations" in the basement. She stripped that bed and washed the linens, towels, so forth... if she didn't know what had gone on, repeatedly, I say gmab. It doesn't take much imagination to understand...
...And that's all I have to say about that. Forrest Gump

 

[ynotdivein]

That is not a position of strength. :waitasec:

Don't understand why the State doesn't want a higher bail or Sandusky in jail unless they are expecting more victims to come forward and will go through round 3 of arresting him, taking him back jail and then raising the bond.

Is there a poker game going on here?

RBBM. It does feel that way, huh? Though I suppose the analogy could be used in many legal cases. But you made me think of Texas Hold'em... as long as you have chips left and the right position on the table, you can bow out when you know you have a losing hand, and still play the next round. The thing with TX Hold'em is, sometimes you bet early on a losing hand and then you just can't get out of it...

 

[BigCat]

*Respectfully shortened*

Sandusky may have been so focused on "the children" that he forgot to make himself rich. His salary from TSM was modest, at best-- and when you take away all the freebies, he doesn't really have much going on. I don't think they can come up with any more bail (and pay the lawyer too), so this was a deal to keep him out of jail until the trial is over. He knows he's going to prison for the rest of his life, but he wants to keep up the charade as long as possible. Home for Christmas, New Year's, Valentine's Day... Simple living with simple Dottie coddling and pampering him. moo

It hasn't been discussed much that Sandusky had money problems in the late 80's and early 90's. He was an investor in a failed restaurant called "The Training Table." The way Sandusky explains it in his book, there were lawsuits between the various partners and he ended up owing the bank a considerable sum of money.

Eventually, the debts grew, and I was responsible for a much larger payment than I could afford. The only thing I could pay was what I had committed to in my own original analysis. This created more tension in the Training Table Association, and it turned into a real crisis. Fortunately, I was touched by some good friends. They came through for me in the clutch. I've always said you can tell who your true friends are because they are the ones who stand beside you. They find ways to help instead of look for ways to escape.

With help from great friends, I was able to obtain legal assistance I wouldn't have been able to afford otherwise, along with business advice I knew nothing about. The problems didn't go away completely, however. I had to meet with bankruptcy attorneys, and it was a sickening experience to face. Eventually, the issue was settled, and I had to pay a lofty financial price. It was probably more money than I made in my first six or seven years of coaching football.

He doesn't name the good friends who "touched" him (to the great relief of his friends, I'm sure).

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Don't understand why the State doesn't want a higher bail or Sandusky in jail unless they are expecting more victims to come forward and will go through round 3 of arresting him, taking him back jail and then raising the bond.

Is there a poker game going on here?

The lack of strength was Sandusky's, not the AG's. This was a good opportunity to have several of charges tossed.

Using the poker analogy, Mr. Amendola had a chance to remove some of the AG's chips. Not all of them, not most of them, but some of them. It would have weakened the prosecution case.

He didn't even try.

 

[passionflower]

Tonight I watched the local news WPXI, and I am shocked that Sandusky is only on house arrest.
Why is that? With so many charges against him.
And now trial will be in the spring? Well Merry Christmas, ..........

 

[passionflower]

Sandusky may have been so focused on "the children" that he forgot to make himself rich. His salary from TSM was modest, at best-- and when you take away all the freebies, he doesn't really have much going on. I don't think they can come up with any more bail (and pay the lawyer too), so this was a deal to keep him out of jail until the trial is over. He knows he's going to prison for the rest of his life, but he wants to keep up the charade as long as possible. Home for Christmas, New Year's, Valentine's Day... Simple living with simple Dottie coddling and pampering him. moo
BBM: will college help with lawyer and bail???

Speaking of Dottie: I cannot, for one minute, imagine old Jer doing anything domestic-- like cleaning up after himself around the house. I think Dottie prepared those guest rooms, and cleaned them when the "guests" were gone-- even the "accommodations" in the basement. She stripped that bed and washed the linens, towels, so forth... if she didn't know what had gone on, repeatedly, I say gmab. It doesn't take much imagination to understand...

BBM: Will see face charges? and why in the world did she stay with thi sicko?
...And that's all I have to say about that. Forrest Gump

I will never understand why anyone would help this pervert out ad keep his evil ways a secret!

 

[Pensfan]

Speaking of Dottie: I cannot, for one minute, imagine old Jer doing anything domestic-- like cleaning up after himself around the house. I think Dottie prepared those guest rooms, and cleaned them when the "guests" were gone-- even the "accommodations" in the basement. She stripped that bed and washed the linens, towels, so forth... if she didn't know what had gone on, repeatedly, I say gmab. It doesn't take much imagination to understand...
...And that's all I have to say about that. Forrest Gump

Respectfully shortened

“Just as molesters have an uncanny ability to spot children who would acquiesce to abuse, so do they have a sixth sense about selecting a spouse who can be groomed to believe unlikely lies (and one who craves security and therefore, won’t challenge the lies).”

“It’s the same way they pick their victims.”
http://www.nj.com/njvoices/index.ssf/2011/12/the_suspected_pedophiles_wife.html



IMO, there are three choices on Serge.

1. Serge may have found security in her role as drill sergeant mom to her many adopted sons which also included her childlike husband. In addition, she may have utilized a defense mechanism seen in all enablers (alcoholic enablers, drug addiction enablers, pedophile enablers and etc...) called splitting. This is a mental process which allows the enabler to have two co-existing separate and contradictory versions of reality. Enablers see people and situations in black and white. To enablers, a situation is either viewed as all good or all bad. Using this defense mechanism, Serge saw Jerry establish a charity for underprivileged youth, donate his time to kids, and provide gifts/money to boys, so she views him as a good man that would never hurt children.

2. She is completely amoral and didn't care.

3. She has a severe drug/alcohol addiction and was unable to comprehend what was occurring for decades.

 

[Quiche]

Great post, Pensfan, thank you for it.

I pick #1.

But, is gullible a defense in aiding and abetting?



[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiding_and_abetting"]Aiding and abetting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Rominger, a criminal defense attorney out of Harrisburg, just came aboard Sandusky’s defense team to help split the workload with State College lawyer Joe Amendola. That workload, he said, is comparable to having “a hundred clients.”

After being introduced to Amendola and Sandusky through a mutual acquaintance, Sandusky’s unnamed private investigator, Rominger said he knew he wanted to be a part of Sandusky's case.

“Boy, this is quite a case to have,” he said. “It’s like O.J. Simpson or Casey Anthony. “It’s just really interesting.”

Rominger reiterated Amendola’s comments, saying the team is not conceding guilt with Sandusky's waived preliminary hearing Tuesday. He said no discussions of a plea deal have transpired, or will transpire, mostly because of Sandusky’s age.


http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archiv..._team_takes_on_former_bonusgate_attorney.aspx

 

[wfgodot]

One Of Jerry Sandusky’s Lawyers Says He Was Only Trying To Teach Troubled Youth How To Shower Properly (Deadspin)

"Some of these kids don't have basic hygiene skills. Teaching a person to shower at the age of 12 or 14 sounds strange to some people, but people who work with troubled youth will tell you there are a lot of juvenile delinquents and people who are dependent who have to be taught basic life skills like how to put soap on their body."

the rest, plus link to original article, at link above