Penn State Sandusky scandal: AD arrested, Paterno, Spanier fired; coverup charged #6

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Pensfan said:
No. It will be Penn State's liability insurance carrier that has the responsibility of defending Curley and Shutlz unless the charge of perjury is not covered under their director's liability insurance because it is a criminal action. Hopefully an attorney on Websleuths will be kind enough to explain this.

Lanny Davis, Clinton's previous attorney, may have the function of "spin doctor" as well as advisor.
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Lanny Davis :silenced:
 
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I think I'm gonna go ahead and nominate this Governor as an inductee into our Hall of Shame.

I'm not completely buying his story about the $3,000,000 he gave TSM and then took back after this monster was exposed. Sounds like a CYA story if ever I heard one.

That's only part of the reason I think he should be an inductee. I'm not going for this bs of dragging out the investigation for so long when he was AG by placing only ONE Highway Patrol Trooper on the case as an investigator. It seems to me that could just as easily be planning on burying the matter and hoping time made it go away.

On top of all of this, wasn't there around $600,000 +/- donated to his campaign by TSM and/or it's officials?

Yep, he needs to be up there with the rest of them.
 
Dr.Fessel said:
The Chronicle of Philanthropy

http://philanthropy.com/article/Avoiding-Trouble-What/129920/

Make sure compensation to insiders is justifiable. Because the charges of abuse are so heinous, less attention has been given to financial matters involving Mr. Sandusky and the charity’s board. But those also are of concern.

Second Mile reportedly paid $57,000 each year from 2001 to 2007 to Mr. Sandusky as a consultant. Such payments raise questions about whether it violated federal rules on excessive compensation to charity insiders. If the payments cannot be justified, it’s not just Mr. Sandusky who could be in trouble but also any board member who approved the transaction.

Another questionable relationship involved Robert Poole, chairman of the charity’s board. Mr. Poole is chief executive of Poole Anderson Construction, which had been selected to manage Second Mile’s $11.5-million “Center for Excellence” building project, an effort that was shelved as a result of the scandal.

Some people now wonder whether Mr. Poole had an interest in playing down reports of Mr. Sandusky’s misconduct because it would have jeopardized the project.

Boards need policies for approving insider transactions that do more than just follow the law. Favoritism endangers the public’s trust in a charity.
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Here's the problem I have with all of this - there are quid pro quos going on in a circular arrangement.

Sandusky got a salary, but since was the founder he also gave those people jobs and promoted the charity through Penn State.

Then I assume Sandusky got some sort of tax write-off when he would donate money back to the charity. He was giving money and getting it back on a regular basis. And really all of that was to fund and also camouflage his own private sex addiction.

Paterno and Company come into it because for years the charity aspect with the trading cards and all was good publicity for Penn State, but also because those guys made all these business deals from which various entities profited. I've been reading all these reports of insider deals until my head is spinning and I surely couldn't draw a flow chart of how everyone is connected, but it's pretty dang obvious there were some illegal deals made with the University and that Second Mile wasn't acting completely as a legitimate non-profit.

This is like a game of 6 degrees of separation, only it goes beyond that to 10, 11, 12 degrees of separation.
 
This morning, I ran across an article dated November 21, 2011 that contains an NBC interview with a young man who, clearly, seems to have been following the exact script of grooming the victims that several others have told about. At the time of this interview, this young man is denying any sexual attack by Sandusky, but does express feelings of aprehension regarding their relationship.

I might be wrong, but I've got a feeling the denying has stopped and this may be one of these newest victims coming forward. In the interview his denials seem, at best, somewhat half hearted to me and possibly he has decided to confront his reality.

Watch the video. It's very much like watching the movie of a book you've read. I snipped some of the images out to illustrate what I mean. They are a disturbing look at a monster grooming his victim.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...nkie-probst-penn-state-scandal_n_1107163.html



<modsnip -- removed pictures of minor and others who are innocent at this time>

I think I'm gonna be sick.

BTW, I've counted FIVE men in these images who will head STRAIGHT to my "Hall of Shame" just as soon as I can figure out who they are.
 
Rlaub44 said:
This explains why the 1998 case may have been prematurely dropped: the Police Chief overseeing the case was once Sandusky's neighbor!

http://www.centredaily.com/2011/12/11/3016384/psu-chief-was-sanduskys-neighbor.html

Curiouser and curiouser. :banghead:
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OMG!!!! :furious:

The personal connection between the chief and the architect of “Linebacker U” now has lawyers for Sandusky’s alleged victims questioning what role those ties may have played in closing the 1998 investigation, which they argue was a missed opportunity to stop Sandusky from assaulting more children.

“It reflects how incestuous the cast of characters are,” said Michael Boni, who represents the person identified as Victim 1 in the grand jury report. “It’s circular. The fact that they were neighbors ought to be investigated. Did Harmon think ‘I shouldn’t pursue this matter’ because he’s a friend or neighbor? These things have to be looked at.”


Read more: http://www.centredaily.com/2011/12/11/3016384/psu-chief-was-sanduskys-neighbor.html#ixzz1gGQJrVCY
 
And this quote from the article makes my hair stand on end!!! :thud:


According to the grand jury report, Harmon ordered his detective, Ronald Schreffler, to close the Sandusky case after then-District Attorney Ray Gricar decided not to file criminal charges. :ohoh:

In 1977, Harmon moved onto Norle Street, a small tight-knit community where residents described neighborhood kids playing together, including Sandusky’s and Harmon’s children. They rode bikes together in a cul-de-sac on Yardal Road. Sandusky also hosted kickball games in his backyard. Several neighbors said they were shocked by the allegations and described the Sanduskys as a loving family and great neighbors.

Colleagues said the two families attended the same church, St. Paul’s United Methodist Church in State College.

Read more: http://www.centredaily.com/2011/12/11/3016384/psu-chief-was-sanduskys-neighbor.html#ixzz1gGQtarU1
 
Sounds like Jerry Sandusky's perversion was an open secret from Penn State to State College.
 
Concerned Papa said:
This morning, I ran across an article dated November 21, 2011 that contains an NBC interview with a young man who, clearly, seems to have been following the exact script of grooming the victims that several others have told about. At the time of this interview, this young man is denying any sexual attack by Sandusky, but does express feelings of aprehension regarding their relationship.

I might be wrong, but I've got a feeling the denying has stopped and this may be one of these newest victims coming forward. In the interview his denials seem, at best, somewhat half hearted to me and possibly he has decided to confront his reality.

Watch the video. It's very much like watching the movie of a book you've read. I snipped some of the images out to illustrate what I mean. They are a disturbing look at a monster grooming his victim.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...nkie-probst-penn-state-scandal_n_1107163.html

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad257/Papa813_bucket/Monster4.jpg[/IMG]http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad257/Papa813_bucket/Monster2.jpg
http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad257/Papa813_bucket/Monster1.jpghttp://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad257/Papa813_bucket/Monster5.jpg
http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad257/Papa813_bucket/Monster6.jpghttp://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad257/Papa813_bucket/Monster7.jpg

I think I'm gonna be sick.

BTW, I've counted FIVE men in these images who will head STRAIGHT to my "Hall of Shame" just as soon as I can figure out who they are.[/quote]

Those photos are really disturbing.
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Abuse images database bigger scandal for state

http://www.centredaily.com/2011/12/11/3016401/abuse-images-database-bigger-scandal.html

.........Pennsylvania’s governor and attorney general know where thousands more Jerry Sanduskys are, and they have failed to report them to law enforcement.

Gov. Tom Corbett has been on notice about Pennsylvania’s unreported child predator suspects since at least 2009, when the National Association to Protect Children and Pennsylvania child abduction survivor Alicia Kozakiewicz briefed him on it and asked him to take action.
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Make no mistake, the material being called “child *advertiser censored*” today has nothing to do with snapshots of babies in the bathtub. These are brutal crime scene recordings of children— many very young—being raped and hurt.

Which brings us back to what Corbett and Kelly know. Each day across America, law enforcement investigators log online using a national system called RoundUp. They locate thousands of criminals trafficking in child abuse images online. These suspects are geo-located, evidence is collected on their activities and they are logged into a central law enforcement database.

That database is hosted on servers at the Pennsylvania State Police.

The RoundUp database contains evidence on as many as 20,000 suspects in Pennsylvania alone. The vast majority are never investigated or referred to local law enforcement agencies.

So if Pennsylvania really cares about arresting predatory criminals who target children, it’s easy to stop them. They’re sitting in the RoundUp database.
 
Concerned Papa said:
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I think I'm gonna go ahead and nominate this Governor as an inductee into our Hall of Shame.

I'm not completely buying his story about the $3,000,000 he gave TSM and then took back after this monster was exposed. Sounds like a CYA story if ever I heard one.

That's only part of the reason I think he should be an inductee. I'm not going for this bs of dragging out the investigation for so long when he was AG by placing only ONE Highway Patrol Trooper on the case as an investigator. It seems to me that could just as easily be planning on burying the matter and hoping time made it go away.

On top of all of this, wasn't there around $600,000 +/- donated to his campaign by TSM and/or it's officials?

Yep, he needs to be up there with the rest of them.
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......this post:

Rlaub44 This explains why the 1998 case may have been prematurely dropped: the Police Chief overseeing the case was once Sandusky's neighbor!

http://www.centredaily.com/2011/12/1...-neighbor.html

....I nominate the former police chief, the children's protection worker and former DA Gricar, even tho he's deceased, as 3 that stopped the investigation in 1998 which would have prevented more of JS's abuse of little disadvantaged boys. Though they declined to file charges and the social worker even said no abuse law was broken, we now know this was not true. Just being naked in the shower with a minor was indecent exposure and if they had really investigated, the cases back to 1994 would have come out also.

And the fact of his picking on the disadvantaged kids from his org. created for that purpose, it seems, is especially maddening to me...he knew these kids would be starving for a father figure and feel so blessed to be chosen by him for all the attention, going to games, etc. that he used to groom them.

There's a name for him but I can't say it here.....
 
Reader said:
Abuse images database bigger scandal for state

http://www.centredaily.com/2011/12/11/3016401/abuse-images-database-bigger-scandal.html

.........Pennsylvania&#8217;s governor and attorney general know where thousands more Jerry Sanduskys are, and they have failed to report them to law enforcement.

Gov. Tom Corbett has been on notice about Pennsylvania&#8217;s unreported child predator suspects since at least 2009, when the National Association to Protect Children and Pennsylvania child abduction survivor Alicia Kozakiewicz briefed him on it and asked him to take action.
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Make no mistake, the material being called &#8220;child *advertiser censored*&#8221; today has nothing to do with snapshots of babies in the bathtub. These are brutal crime scene recordings of children&#8212; many very young&#8212;being raped and hurt.

Which brings us back to what Corbett and Kelly know. Each day across America, law enforcement investigators log online using a national system called RoundUp. They locate thousands of criminals trafficking in child abuse images online. These suspects are geo-located, evidence is collected on their activities and they are logged into a central law enforcement database.

That database is hosted on servers at the Pennsylvania State Police.

The RoundUp database contains evidence on as many as 20,000 suspects in Pennsylvania alone. The vast majority are never investigated or referred to local law enforcement agencies.

So if Pennsylvania really cares about arresting predatory criminals who target children, it&#8217;s easy to stop them. They&#8217;re sitting in the RoundUp database.
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bbm

This article is bs. What has occurred is that sleazy politicians are jumping on the bandwagon to make themselves and their political party look like child saviors by falsely insinuating that the Attorney General&#8217;s office supports child *advertiser censored* pervs.

What that article forgot to mention is very important and shows the creepiness of politicians. Here is what was left out:

Any national resources available to the Attorney General&#8217;s Office regarding internet trafficking of child *advertiser censored* are already accessible by Pennsylvania State Police, county District Attorneys, and local police department who participate in the national Internet Crimes Against Children (ICAC) Task Force program. Any local departments who are not part of the ICAC Task Force program can become trained for this program and while in training they can always utilize the child *advertiser censored* data obtained from trained departments.

Since its fairly recent inception, The Attorney General&#8217;s Child Predator Unit has arrested 298 predators and has a 100% conviction rate. It is a national leader in child predator prosecutions.
http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/crime.aspx?id=56
http://www.whptv.com/news/local/sto...rest-of-an/zPIyn7_oYE2aG1MOBoAbVw.cspx?rss=50
 
Reader said:
......this post:

Rlaub44 This explains why the 1998 case may have been prematurely dropped: the Police Chief overseeing the case was once Sandusky's neighbor!

http://www.centredaily.com/2011/12/1...-neighbor.html

....I nominate the former police chief, the children's protection worker and former DA Gricar, even tho he's deceased, as 3 that stopped the investigation in 1998 which would have prevented more of JS's abuse of little disadvantaged boys. Though they declined to file charges and the social worker even said no abuse law was broken, we now know this was not true. Just being naked in the shower with a minor was indecent exposure and if they had really investigated, the cases back to 1994 would have come out also.

And the fact of his picking on the disadvantaged kids from his org. created for that purpose, it seems, is especially maddening to me...he knew these kids would be starving for a father figure and feel so blessed to be chosen by him for all the attention, going to games, etc. that he used to groom them.

There's a name for him but I can't say it here.....
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I agree with all three selections. As I said in the initial Hall of Shame post, there's gonna have to be several more rows added. Every person being nominated and/or inducted KNEW about a child rapist in their community, yet did NOTHING to protect these children.

There were many who knew.
 
Rlaub44 said:
This article indicates that there is a new version of McQueary's story, including that another physician who spoke with McQueary the night of the shower incident followed up with Schultz later to see what was done.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/12/another_version_of_mike_mcquea.html
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"According to the source with knowledge of Dranov’s testimony before the grand jury, it went like this:

McQueary heard "sex sounds" and the shower running, and a young boy stuck his head around the corner of the shower stall, peering at McQueary as an adult arm reached around his waist and pulled him back out of view.".......


There is a whole lot more about this testimony that is not being said. As soon as a Grand Juror heard that they would have asked if a boy just poked his head around the corner how did he see an arm around the boys waist pull him back in?

IMO this guy lied to the Grand Jury and the Grand Jury ferreted it out. Remember they would have McQueary's father telling the same story as the son.

This Dr. was a mandatory reporter and is just playing CYA. The SA is not worried about this so called Dr.'s testimony. They already chewed him up in front of the Grand Jury. IMO
 
Pensfan said:
bbm

This article is bs. What has occurred is that sleazy politicians are jumping on the bandwagon to make themselves and their political party look like child saviors by falsely insinuating that the Attorney General’s office supports child *advertiser censored* pervs.

What that article forgot to mention is very important and shows the creepiness of politicians. Here is what was left out:

Any national resources available to the Attorney General’s Office regarding internet trafficking of child *advertiser censored* are already accessible by Pennsylvania State Police, county District Attorneys, and local police department who participate in the national Internet Crimes Against Children (ICAC) Task Force program. Any local departments who are not part of the ICAC Task Force program can become trained for this program and while in training they can always utilize the child *advertiser censored* data obtained from trained departments.

Since its fairly recent inception, The Attorney General’s Child Predator Unit has arrested 298 predators and has a 100% conviction rate. It is a national leader in child predator prosecutions.
http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/crime.aspx?id=56
http://www.whptv.com/news/local/sto...rest-of-an/zPIyn7_oYE2aG1MOBoAbVw.cspx?rss=50
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Why thanks, Pensfan, glad you enjoyed the article, LOL!

Politics aside, I checked those 2 articles linked above and found the child predator unit was created in 2005 and has made the 298 arrests; nothing was mentioned that I saw about 100% convictions. This is about 50 cases per year, or a little over 5 per month, not very impressive when they are catching these people by computer, and nothing compared to the 20,000 that are sitting out there as unworked cases.

Geez, when I worked in CPS waaaay back, I got 4-5 cases per DAY which had to be investigated in the field (home visits, school visits, contacts with neighbors and other witnesses), decisions made, court reports written by hand, no computers available then, attend and testify at court hearings, transport and check on kids at shelters, take them to doctors, counseling parents, on and on. Then we were on call one weekend each month; I always got the full moon weekend and sometimes worked over 30 hours in 2 days and nights, but had to come to work Monday morning.

These guys got it easy as far as I'm concerned!
 
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