Penn State Sandusky Trial #11 (Verdict - GUILTY!)

[bayouland]

Someone please correct me if I am wrong but I believe in PA it must be reported to the Department of Public Welfare versus higher up the chain in the educational institution.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

I just got back from a lovely over-nighter at Charles Town. I didn't have my laptop or DH's Droid available. Quite frankly, this penny-ante gambler was having a fabulouis day-and-a-half at the casino playing the slot machines. I hit a very large ($100+ bonus on my 89 cent bet and there were fireworks going off on the screen as I waited for the machine to add the money to my credits.

Sitting there, Jerry Sandusky popped into my mind. Here I was, basking in a wonderful moment, out and around and enjoying every moment of it. Jerry will never have that feeling again EVER!

He will never attend another football game. Nobody will ask him to speak at graduation. He will never be a pillar of his community. He will be in protective custody, alone in his cell with and hour or so a day to get rec and a shower. He will never have another soap fight and he will have to be watching his back every moment. He will never see, let alone touch or rape another boy.

For victims of sexual abuse here, I wish that you could all know that your perp was in the same situation. God bless you all.

 

[StellarsJay]

In the time McQueary was at Penn before the locker room, were there any other incidents of misbehaviour where he would have seen a clear message, "this is not to be taken outside"?

 

[Bravo]

The one thing Jerry will miss the most he will never have access to again Thankfully. I wish i had a magic wand to erase all his sick memories. Glad ya's had a great time CarolinaMoon

 

[Quiche]

All these fantasies about JS being sexually attacked in prison... Not gonna happen. First of all, he'll be kept secluded. Second, even if he wasn't, do you really think some prison dude is going to want to have sex with a 68 yr old man if there are much younger options available? And, we know there are plenty of 20 and 30-something year old men in prison. Such fiction.

I know a couple of posters have responded to this since I grabbed it to comment on, but I'll reiterate-- I believe the only physical contact Jerry is going to get in prison is going to be about power, victimization, and an eye for an eye style of "street/prison" justice, not related to intimacy or pleasure at all. Far from it, and from what I understand, it's possible the corrections people may turn that same "blind eye" that he benefitted from for so many decades. Imo, Jerry needs to watch his back, constantly, because a world of hurt awaits him... for the rest of his life.

rape in prison isn't just about pleasure but about power, just like rape in the outside world. even if it is rape with an object. i've heard on one occasion of a murderer who raped and killed a prisoned paedophile. the murderer was in for life w/o parole who admitted to having been a victim of child rape and raped the paedophile with an object. i believe it was done while the paedophile was being moved from cells while a guard wasn't looking.
that is the only case i've heard of but i'm sure it happens a bit more then we think.

Ayup, like this.

Figurehead or not, Paterno had the power to pick up the telephone and call authorities outside the institution. He chose not to. "Protocol" be damned, you get knowledge that someone might be raping a child you report it to police.

This misses the point. It was all about protecting the legacy of JoePa. It was then, it is now, even with a fair-minded, reasonable Penn State alum as yourself. It's a reflex, almost.

Not only that, but Paterno should have picked up on the SCOPE of the problem with Jerry! I mean, come on, he was working side by side with him as Jerry and Dottie became the couple that scooped up stray kids for twenty years before that moment in time! There is no way that Paterno didn't realize, with a quickness, that Jerry was a lifelong child raper who had shrouded his sexual intentions toward little boys with an entire mega-charity that claimed him his own brand of sainthood.

Pfft... I understand the need for Paterno's legacy to be restored to the institution and its alumnae, but just because I see the reasoning doesn't mean I condone the facade, nor believe in it: imo, it wouldn't be a bad thing for Happy Valley to grow up and enter the 21st century. Get real, already.

A day or two ago someone (Black Cat?) pointed out that Jerry might have kept himself in check until his father, whom he seems to have revered, died.

Second Mile started in 1977, Sandusky was 33.

Matt Sandusky entered Second Mile in 1986 at age 7. His mother says Sandusky got involved with their family in in 1989.
Sandusky was 45.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...=ZIJeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=_mENAAAAIBAJ&pg=1492,84462

1996: Matt has been in the Sandusky home as a foster kid since January 1995.He is 17 in 1996.
September 1996: Jerry's father died, age 76.
From timeline: October 1996: Starts intimate contact with Victim 4 which continues to December 2000: Sandusky becomes close with a 12-year-old identified in the grand jury report as Victim 4, who is in his second year of the Second Mile program.

Dad died, Jerry attacks Vic 4- "stops keeping it in the family" comes to mind.
What was his father's role?

At the trial, Matt first left to be secluded with Dottie but he came back in to hear Victim 4, had brief eye contact with him, and did not come back into court after that testimony.

The victim who was not a part of this trial, but came forward on Rock Center the other night, said his abuse started at age ten in 1992. So, he was already going through kids at that date.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...-rock-center_n_1616528.html?utm_hp_ref=sports

I tend to wonder about Jerry's friend that he mentioned in his biography, Ern? The "mentally challenged" boy Jerry hung around with growing up. Here's an excerpt from an in depth article (from Nov. 2011) that mentions him:

...was an only child, but at the Bug House he never lacked for company. One of his constant companions was a mentally challenged boy everyone called Big Ern. "I used to take Ernie to the movies or we'd go swimming together, and I taught him how to play basketball," he recalls in the book.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/19/us/sandusky-memoir-profile/index.html

Was Big Ern Jerry's childhood sweetheart? The prototype for all the moves and "relationships" (except Dottie, of course) that followed?

Azwriter??? Do you recall Big Ern? If you do, could you elaborate on his relationship with Jerry? tia


Okay, I'll hush now, lol.

:jail::jail:<<< still promoting His and Hers

 

[Madeleine74]

Fair enough. I don't think the prison is going to allow Sandusky out in general population where he would be subject to an attack. I believe he'll be in a segregated area wherever they send him due to his notoriety and possibly being a target or other inmates.

 

[pinktoes]

Where there's a will, there's a way. Perhaps Paterno consulted his own attorney about how to handle the assault McQueary reported to him. (I would have; he certainly could have.) The real question is, how badly did he WANT to intervene? How badly did he want to follow up with the child, starting with his welfare?

First of all, who was the child? Secondly, was he injured physically, did he get medical care? Was he injured psychologically? How would he be safeguarded from Sandusky in the future? ALL are questions any reasonably caring person would want answered, and pretty darn quickly. (That includes both McQuearys and Dr. Dranov. And Paterno. And the rest of the PSU chain of command and TSM's as well.)

So, who had the resolve and the personal means to take action? Don't know. But I do know that Paterno was very close to a couple of the major PSU donors (one being William A. Schreyer). And was a major donor, and fundraiser for PSU. He was worth a lot of $$ to PSU. And thereby had a lot of informal power.

I've personally handled a lot of delicate situations within an institution and I'm "nobody" really. All you do is gather your resolve, get allies, get legal advice applicable to what YOU want to do (not what your lawyer says is the minumum you must do), be careful, document, add safeguard for both the information and your own welfare, suck it up and act.

There are LOTs of things Paterno, or any of these others could have done. What held them back? They lacked the WILL to do it. My guess is Paterno didn't want to rock his own personal boat as coach, or his psychological comfort (head in the sand about such unsavory matters). And so, he did the least he had to do.

God save our children from adults who avert their eyes, obey orders, fail to use their own resources, and shrug "not my job, man".

 

[StellarsJay]

Maybe thinks he'll still be in the predator class in prison.

 

[LinasK]

i don't know why the media is putting on so much stigma on the victims who potentially are looking for some sort of compensation.

Because it was Sandusky's defense- that all the accusations were baseless, because the accusers made it all up solely because they were after his money because he was famous. Michael Jackson used the exact same defense, but unfortunately because of his star-struck jury, and the not-so-perfect witnesses, he got away with it!!!:banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[LinasK]

There was a bit of discussion regarding ineffective Counsel on HLN. Agreed that would never fly by Defense Attys no less. I wish the Defense would just go away quietly. Like most do. Make a respectful statement after the verdict and leave it be. Amendola looked like a buffoon and i honestly feared for his safety had he kept talking. Appalling to slam a Victim. Sounds like they were a perfect match Defendant and Lawyer.

Arrogant, yes, Ineffective-no. Just because the defense loses, doesn't make his defense ineffective, in fact, in another post, I just stated that Michael Jackson's defense team used the exact same defense and got him off!! In order to win a claim of Ineffective Counsel, you have to have a seriously defective lawyer, like one who falls asleep in court, is drunk, or fails to investigate evidence that could exhonorate...

 

[LinasK]

Part of the issue with Paterno is a multi-generational gap. This is not an excuse at all, but men in their 70's and 80's are often ignorant about understanding sexual abuse and then realizing it must be reported to police immediately. Again, this does not excuse Paterno, nor his chain of command AT.ALL. He should have known how seriously bad this was.

Yup! Exactly, when I finally got around to telling my father about my uncle (mom's brother) molesting me, my father who was in his 80's response was- "but he's(uncle) an old man now", implying my uncle was no longer a threat, not realizing that I was molested, not raped, therefore he used his hands!

 

[LinasK]

Madeleine, not that I'm engaging in any rape fantasies about Jerry Sandusky, but I had to correct this. Plenty of elderly men and women are raped. Not just attractive young people (and children). Rape is about power and domination. I can easily imagine an angry man who had been victimized as a child taking it out on J.S. in prison.

Consensual sex is a different animal and I agree that inmates looking for that would probably seek out younger partners.:jail:

At least Jerry will never take a shower with a 12-year-old boy ever again!!!:jail::jail::jail:

 

[Quiche]

I've been looking around at "protective custody" or solitary confinement units, and they don't seem all that "protective." They still share the showers, the yard, and so on. This is NOT like Casey A.'s private cell at the county jail, Jerry will live in a unit of men who, for one reason or another, have to be segregated from the main population. He may even share a cell, according to some info I read. (because I'm not linking those- :moo: )

Quoting some wiki info:

...usually protective custody involves some degree of solitary confinement. For people who are threatened because of their association with a certain group, moving them to another section of the prison may be sufficient.[2]

and

In a prison context, protective custody is used mainly in the following cases:

Those who are at high risk of being harmed or killed by other prisoners either for their crime or their group (ethnic or otherwise), such as pedophiles, child murderers / child abusers,[4] corrupt police officers, gang members in a prison containing rival gang members or those who choose to "debrief" (provide information on their gang), or prisoners who are gay, transsexual, or transgender.[5]

Offenders with notorious criminal activities on the outside who may not be prison-wise or who may be subject to pressure because of their notoriety.

Those criminals who are themselves witnesses to a crime, and might be harmed by other prisoners to either prevent them from speaking out, or for revenge.

Inmates nearing expiration of their sentences who are trying to avoid disciplinary infractions or other problems.

Corrupt public servants, including police officers, civil servants, people convicted of spying, doctors, council officers, etc.

Celebrities convicted of serious offences.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protective_custody"]Protective custody - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


And following the link to solitary confinement--

Solitary confinement is a special form of imprisonment in which a prisoner is isolated from any human contact, though often with the exception of members of prison staff. It is sometimes employed as a form of punishment beyond incarceration for a prisoner and has been cited as an additional measure of protection from the criminal or is given for violations of prison regulations. It is also used as a form of protective custody and to implement a suicide watch.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solitary_confinement"]Solitary confinement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


I think it would be a special kind of he!! for Sandusky to be in a cell be himself... I really don't want him to be able to talk football with anyone! If he gets a celly, then I hope it's a ruthless street gangster that scares the crud out of him. jmo

 

[princesspjs]

Oh how I hope that someone...anyone....audio taped this!!!! I wanna hear this!

As soon as the lights went out at night, Sandusky's fellow inmates at the Centre County Correctional Facility serenaded him with a chorus from Pink Floyd's "The Wall"

http://www.businessinsider.com/jail...ith-hey-teacher-leave-those-kids-alone-2012-6

 

[Madeleine74]

That serenade happened last December when Sandusky was first indicted and he spent one night in jail.

 

[Quiche]

Hope they rolled it out again!

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR5ApYxkU-U"]Pink Floyd - Another Brick In The Wall (HQ) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[CarolinaMoon]

Just catching up on the news I missed. We've all scratched our heads over Mr. Amendola's comments before, during, and after the trial. I wonder about him and now find this making the rounds of a number of MSM's outlets.

Jerry Sandusky’s lawyer, Joe Amendola, got a 16-year- old client pregnant and later married her

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/c...-old-client-pregnant-married-article-1.977873

Mods, please remove if this doesn't belong. I'm just :what: over this.

 

[Quiche]

Just catching up on the news I missed. We've all scratched our heads over Mr. Amendola's comments before, during, and after the trial. I wonder about him and now find this making the rounds of a number of MSM's outlets.

Jerry Sandusky’s lawyer, Joe Amendola, got a 16-year- old client pregnant and later married her

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/c...-old-client-pregnant-married-article-1.977873

Mods, please remove if this doesn't belong. I'm just :what: over this.

Yes, isn't that special? He "helped" her with her emancipation.

I wondered, during the trial, if she was the "mastermind" behind this defense, lol. It would fit! :floorlaugh:

 

[Steely Dan]

Just catching up on the news I missed. We've all scratched our heads over Mr. Amendola's comments before, during, and after the trial. I wonder about him and now find this making the rounds of a number of MSM's outlets.

Jerry Sandusky’s lawyer, Joe Amendola, got a 16-year- old client pregnant and later married her

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/c...-old-client-pregnant-married-article-1.977873

Mods, please remove if this doesn't belong. I'm just :what: over this.

I'd forgotten about that. No wonder he feels JS is being vilified by the media.

 

[Bravo]

Arrogant, yes, Ineffective-no. Just because the defense loses, doesn't make his defense ineffective, in fact, in another post, I just stated that Michael Jackson's defense team used the exact same defense and got him off!! In order to win a claim of Ineffective Counsel, you have to have a seriously defective lawyer, like one who falls asleep in court, is drunk, or fails to investigate evidence that could exhonorate...

For sure. Due to the nature of the charges and conviction it made the Statements that much more disgusting.