Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #1

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Is this the only thread currently, or has the Natalee/any other thread been opened? Anyone?
 
Kateyes said:
Hi Kat - I could not quote your post on thread #1 because the thread was locked. You made reference to a poster who said Joran may be decompensating (old term, I know, guess that gives away my age range). I also speculated that perhaps the sudden death of his father was a trigger if Joran was indeed decompensating. That was me - purely speculation, but the sloppiness of this murder indicates, IMO, someone who was totally incapable of controlling his urges, and unable to think through the consequences of what would happen. Things like what to do with the body, how to get away, etc.

I also think that it opens up a whole new thought of what happened to Natalee. Perhaps the reason that he would not call paramedics or take her to the ER was because there was no accident. He outright murdered her, and the murder was one that could not be masked as an accident because of the method in which he killed her. So the body had to be disposed of so that it would never be found.

I can't remember who posted that they wondered why Joran's father was thinking looking down from above. But in my opinion Paulus is not looking down at all - he is down, as far as can be. And it is only a matter of time before Paulus and his son have a reunion in a hot, hot place. JMHO and all that.
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Hi Kateyes, I always thought Joran's saying Natalee fell from the balcony to the patio below was to cover himself if the ALE were to ever test that area for blood. It could be where she died, her blood washed away by an accomplice, but realizing chemicals could tell the tale of the blood what with the spatter pattern, etc. He came out with that statement late in the game I think after probably giving much thought to it IMO.
 
b4e said:
I hope the suicide is just a rumor. I want this creep to finally face justice!
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Mama always said..."If you don't have something nice to say then don't say anything at all"....

" :shutup:"

mama was right... imma be good :angel::
 
nomoresorrow said:
Does anyone know yet if it's true? TIA!

Joran van der Sloot Allegedly Committed Suicide near Peru Border...!
June 03, 2010 12:28 AM EDT

http:///viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978275027
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None of the major American news networks have even mentioned this report, so I think it stands as a rumor at this time.
 
Hi Scandi - very astute to remember the new story about the fall from the balcony and connect it to yet another effort by Joran to cover his so-guilty butt. I totally agree with you line of thought. He is conniving, but it seems he had a rage he couldn't stop, and there was no support system to rescue him this time. As much as this news was a shock it was also not a shock at all. I bet many sleuthers KWIM.
 
b4e said:
I hope the suicide is just a rumor. I want this creep to finally face justice!
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:newbie: Alert

Hi all, I'm a long time lurker but first time poster. I've seen quite a few links that have recently gone up about van der Sloot's suicide and I agree that suicide would be the easy way out for this guy. I have serious doubt he would actually kill himself though. He's been nothing but arrogant and cocky these past 5 years and even stated he has not lost a night's sleep. Taking a look at the prisons in Peru, I don't think he'd last long there. If the other inmates did not get to him first, he would certainly suffer from the lack of ... ahem... amenities that would be provided in some other countries.

However, after reading of his alleged suicide, a comment made by the Father of the Peruvian girl is really standing out for me.... he was quoted as saying..and I'm paraphrasing here because I do not have the exact quote but he said to the parents of the other girl (Natalee Holloway's), you do not have to worry now, he will be taken care of.
 
Welcome to Websleuths, TwiceIrish! :blowkiss:

Great first post!!!!!!!! :woohoo:
 
Another news story from the web site of a Peruvian TV station web site. According to the story, VDS robbed the victim of $5,000.

Google Translation

(S)He was only 21 years, was a university student and daughter of a businessman and former mayoral candidate known racer. In a poker game, a game that was one of his passions, he met a young Dutchman at a casino in Miraflores. They became friends, she accompanied him to the hotel where he was staying and murdered there hitting his (her) face and head, to finally break his (her) neck and rob the $ 5,000 that earned him an Uruguayan playing cards.

Tatiana Flores Stephany Ramirez died, according to the autopsy, cervical trauma, caused by blunt item. She was the daughter of Ricardo Flores Chipoco, champion of the Inca Trail in 1991.
She met the murderer, Joran Andreas Petrus identified as Van Der Sloot (23), the international poker tournament being held at the casino 'Atlantic City', in the Avenues and Benavides Pardo. On the evening of Saturday 29 May saw the couple playing cards in that local.

Two cups of coffee
On the morning of Sunday, both retired and went to the hotel 'Tac' Avenue Republic of Panama 6160, where he was staying abroad.

At 5:20 am, Adeli Manchero Abad, hosting employee told police he saw the girl and the stranger enter the room 309.

At 8 am, the subject left the hotel and bought two cups of coffee at a local supermarket. He returned to the room at 8:40 and retired with a rucksack and hand luggage. 'I'll be back', reportedly told an employee.

The murderer approached the Jeep, Cherokee, A1B-533 plate, black, Stephanie Flores and then left in the passage Jorge Chavez, Surco.

The crime was allegedly committed after a heated argument between the couple.

At the foot of the bed
Police driving this hypothesis because the clothes were disordered bed, mattress for two people out of place, clothes scattered and in disarray. The body was lying on the floor at the foot of the bed in the prone position (face down). Just had a blouse, a coat and bathing suit.

Attended Wake
Last night, Stephany Flores remains were laid to rest in the church of the Holy Name of Jesus in San Borja, arriving relatives, friends and personalities like Defence Minister, Rafael Rey, the mayor of Lima, Luis Castañeda, the candidate mayor of Lima, Alex Kouri, among others, who expressed their solidarity.
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http://www.trome.com/tonline/Html/2010-06-02/ontractualidad1092456.html
 
TwiceIrish said:
:newbie: Alert

Hi all, I'm a long time lurker but first time poster. I've seen quite a few links that have recently gone up about van der Sloot's suicide and I agree that suicide would be the easy way out for this guy. I have serious doubt he would actually kill himself though. He's been nothing but arrogant and cocky these past 5 years and even stated he has not lost a night's sleep. Taking a look at the prisons in Peru, I don't think he'd last long there. If the other inmates did not get to him first, he would certainly suffer from the lack of ... ahem... amenities that would be provided in some other countries.

However, after reading of his alleged suicide, a comment made by the Father of the Peruvian girl is really standing out for me.... he was quoted as saying..and I'm paraphrasing here because I do not have the exact quote but he said to the parents of the other girl (Natalee Holloway's), you do not have to worry now, he will be taken care of.
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To Websleuths Twice Irish! :)
 
Kateyes said:
Hi Scandi - very astute to remember the new story about the fall from the balcony and connect it to yet another effort by Joran to cover his so-guilty butt. I totally agree with you line of thought. He is conniving, but it seems he had a rage he couldn't stop, and there was no support system to rescue him this time. As much as this news was a shock it was also not a shock at all. I bet many sleuthers KWIM.
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On NG, that reporter from Aruba (Renfro?) was on the horn to NG saying the "entire island was stunned and in total shock" at the news that .. VDS is the target of an international Man Hunt!

Just goes to show you, just how deep... the extent of the original cover-up Really was! When reporters lie.. YOU know you have a seriously corrupt system.

RIP Natalee & Stephany
 
SevenSeas said:
On NG, that reporter from Aruba (Renfro?) was on the horn to NG saying the "entire island was stunned and in total shock" at the news that .. VDS is the target of an international Man Hunt!

Just goes to show you, just how deep... the extent of the original cover-up Really was! When reporters lie.. YOU know you have a seriously corrupt system.

RIP Natalee & Stephany
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Would not surprise me if Reporter R started the suicide rumor about VDS so people wouldn't be on the alert for his appearance and thus buy him some traveling time.
 
Joran is really not a very smart man. He is trying to hide his lily white complexion and overly tall frame in a region of the world where most of the inhabitants are of a lovely shade of brown and, for the most part, are relatively short in stature. He is going to literally stand out head and shoulders above the rest of the crowd.

I hope that he is found quickly--alive--so that he will finally be brought to justice and put behind bars. Knowing that he would spend the rest of his life in a Peruvian prison almost gives me a (sick and perverse) sense of glee. He will rue these latest actions for the rest of his life, and all without the luxuries to which he has apparently grown accustomed.

Justice can be sweet. I do hope that it is doled out swiftly and succinctly, as well.

This whole thing just makes me sick. What a tragedy that another young woman has lost her life at the hands of this creep.

The blood of Stephany is not only on his hands, but on the hands of every person, who helped to cover up the truth behind what happened to Natalie.

Family members, law enforcement, politicians, reporters--they are all complicit in permitting this to happen to another family.

They should all be charged with Stephany's murder.
 
Hopefully tomorrow we'll have a lot of new information..............

The autopsy took place this afternoon and the family had a wake tonight. If Stephany fought back, and from the description of the room it sounds like she did, there may be direct physical evidence on her body - DNA, to link Joran to her murder.

The forensic processing of the hotel room may also yield more direct evidence as it appears Joran was sloppy without any plan.

The forensic processing of Stephany's car may also yield more direct evidence.

Joran may be seeking shelter in a country that doesn't have extradition to Peru, but he may not be successful in making it there. He may be successful in eluding the authorities for a few days, but without his father's help, he likely won't be successful there either. Just looking at the map of the area, it's going to be difficult for him to reach Argentina without help and without taking chances. I think he'll be captured in a few days...........at least I hope so!
 
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