Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #1

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There is a rumor that Van der Sloot commited suicide in Chili. I will check more sources.
 
Rumor not verified. Sources tell that Joran is trying to contact his attorney through third parties. Also that he has paid about 100.000 euro's to get two brothers who run a shuttle service transfer him over the Peruvian border. (no, these aren't Satish and Deepak AFAIK)
 
cleo612 said:
Joran is really not a very smart man. He is trying to hide his lily white complexion and overly tall frame in a region of the world where most of the inhabitants are of a lovely shade of brown and, for the most part, are relatively short in stature. He is going to literally stand out head and shoulders above the rest of the crowd.

I hope that he is found quickly--alive--so that he will finally be brought to justice and put behind bars. Knowing that he would spend the rest of his life in a Peruvian prison almost gives me a (sick and perverse) sense of glee. He will rue these latest actions for the rest of his life, and all without the luxuries to which he has apparently grown accustomed.

Justice can be sweet. I do hope that it is doled out swiftly and succinctly, as well.

This whole thing just makes me sick. What a tragedy that another young woman has lost her life at the hands of this creep.

The blood of Stephany is not only on his hands, but on the hands of every person, who helped to cover up the truth behind what happened to Natalie.

Family members, law enforcement, politicians, reporters--they are all complicit in permitting this to happen to another family.

They should all be charged with Stephany's murder.
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He's not smart but he has money. A lot of cash. That is means for survival in South America. All he need is a speedboat and fled to New Zealand.
 
On the morning of Sunday, both retired and went to the hotel 'Tac' Avenue Republic of Panama 6160, where he was staying abroad.
At 5:20 am, Adeli Manchero Abad, hosting employee told police he saw the girl and the stranger enter the room 309.

Then, this would be the hotel in Lima:

http://lima.hotelguide.net/data/h100149.htm
Getting There: Av.Republica of PaNAMAN.6160 Miraflores In the crossing of BenavideZ.
 
I have often thought about the day when Dave Holloway tried to visit Joran in KIA, the Aruban prison. after being told by Paulus that Dave's legally and properly scheduled visit would not happen until "after the investigation is completed", Paulus went inside to see his son and agreed to give Joran the books which Dave had brought for him, one being The Purpose Driven Life

Dave returned to KIA about an hour later when he estimated the visit would be over. he greeted Paulus for the second time that day and again initiated a handshake. Dave said that both men held that grip for 45 minutes while looking into each other's eyes, Dave pleading for information and Paulus repeating over and over that "I will do anything to protect my son". Dave said that his arm and shoulder were sore (and Paulus kept flexing his fingers and wrist) after the prolonged grip between the two men

what a devastating encounter for both fathers

it was mentioned in the previous thread that Joran speaks Spanish. IMO "speaks/understands" is different than "fluent". which would be all the more reason to lam it to a country where he can get around/blend in more easily (even tho he is well over 6 feet tall). I know from Natalee's case that he is fluent in Dutch, English and Papiamentu (a mixture of English, Portugeuse, and African and Arawk languages and widely spoken in Aruba). Papi Portugeuse differs much from pure Portugeuse. I don't recall that Spanish is one of his languages (altho I could be wrong about that)

re Julia Renfro: it's time to buy another salt lick, or maybe two. I went thru the last one fairly quickly
 
Leila said:
Hopefully tomorrow we'll have a lot of new information..............

The autopsy took place this afternoon and the family had a wake tonight. If Stephany fought back, and from the description of the room it sounds like she did, there may be direct physical evidence on her body - DNA, to link Joran to her murder.

The forensic processing of the hotel room may also yield more direct evidence as it appears Joran was sloppy without any plan.

.....haven't read all yet but..

..from what i have read regarding the blood in the room-------joran would have definitely had blood on himself as well-------and got it all over towels in a clean up---would have had to leave the towels behind----the forensic techs have probably taken the entire drain out of the shower to process for evidence.

..i think our coward JVS, flew into a rage--( she dared to say "NO" to him ??) --stabbed the victim-----and "this time" , since the scene of the crime was a hotel room------could not do any cover up ( and boo hoo, couldn't have "daddy" come to do it for him").

..i HOPE he did not take his own life------those sites detailing the frigid mountain prisons in peru -----he deserves no less than LWOP there.
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Ghostface said:
He's not smart but he has money. A lot of cash. That is means for survival in South America. All he need is a speedboat and fled to New Zealand.
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Hope he isn't gone already. Brothers say they arrived in Arica, Chile on Monday at 4 PM.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-02-jo...ra-que-lo-saquen-del-pais-noticia_269525.html

Google Translation of Radio Program Peru (RRP): I left the Spanish words for VDS's payments in the Peruvian Sol in case of translation error.

The Dutchman Joran Van Der Sloot (21), suspected of the crime of Stephany Flores, daughter of businessman Ricardo Flores, paid mil 780 soles to be moved from the Ica region in Peru to the Chilean city of Arica, said the brothers Aparcana Pisconte who are responsible for mobilizing.

In a conversation with RPP, told the stranger paid mil 500 soles per shuttle service between Nazca and Tacna, and then paid 280 soles to be taken to Arica. Also pointed out that the alien was wearing shorts and white sneakers, and was in possession of two suitcases. "Did not talk to him and he did not know the language. Just got up, smoked and fell asleep again," he added. They said that Van Der Sloot, who was also linked to the disappearance in 2005 of an American student in Aruba, had a ticket to Cusco, as was unable to give effect last Sunday.

"We left Nazca at 12 pm or so and came to Arica at four in the afternoon of Monday," he said. The head of the Criminal Investigation Department, Cesar Guardia, said Van Der Sloot is the prime suspect. "We have footage and witness statements that saw him from the Netherlands with the victim" at the hotel, he said. An employee of the hotel "did not hear screams, but saw them entering together," added the general press conference.

Ramirez Flores's body was found early Wednesday in the hotel Tac Lima district of Miraflores. Guard stated that the victim had "abrasions on her face and body, plus traumatic injuries."
 
I think that he will be caught. Its about time for justice and this guys time is up. I wonder how far he can get with that 5000 he stole, I am sure Beth will not be sleeping tonight.
 
butterfly1978 said:
I think that he will be caught. Its about time for justice and this guys time is up. I wonder how far he can get with that 5000 he stole, I am sure Beth will not be sleeping tonight.
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Hope you're right! Feeling negative due to date of his arrival in Arica, cash he's carrying, and coastal location.
 
He may have tried to fly out of country - the ticket reference below:

They said that Van Der Sloot, who was also linked to the disappearance in 2005 of an American student in Aruba, had a ticket to Cusco, as was unable to give effect last Sunday.
 
..i have no doubt that he'll be caught. a guy has to eat, sleep, do his laundry-----SOMEONE will see him somewhere.

..he's far too "pompous" , not to mention a chicken****, to do HIMSELF in.....i don't believe the suicide story at all. ( not until i see a pic of his body-------verified by no less than 3 AMERICAN ME's.........peruvian? no. aruban? hell no. )
 
epiphany said:
Hope he isn't gone already. Brothers say they arrived in Arica, Chile on Monday at 4 PM.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-02-jo...ra-que-lo-saquen-del-pais-noticia_269525.html

Google Translation of Radio Program Peru (RRP): I left the Spanish words for VDS's payments in the Peruvian Sol in case of translation error.

The Dutchman Joran Van Der Sloot (21), suspected of the crime of Stephany Flores, daughter of businessman Ricardo Flores, paid mil 780 soles to be moved from the Ica region in Peru to the Chilean city of Arica, said the brothers Aparcana Pisconte who are responsible for mobilizing.

In a conversation with RPP, told the stranger paid mil 500 soles per shuttle service between Nazca and Tacna, and then paid 280 soles to be taken to Arica. Also pointed out that the alien was wearing shorts and white sneakers, and was in possession of two suitcases. "Did not talk to him and he did not know the language. Just got up, smoked and fell asleep again," he added. They said that Van Der Sloot, who was also linked to the disappearance in 2005 of an American student in Aruba, had a ticket to Cusco, as was unable to give effect last Sunday.

"We left Nazca at 12 pm or so and came to Arica at four in the afternoon of Monday," he said. The head of the Criminal Investigation Department, Cesar Guardia, said Van Der Sloot is the prime suspect. "We have footage and witness statements that saw him from the Netherlands with the victim" at the hotel, he said. An employee of the hotel "did not hear screams, but saw them entering together," added the general press conference.

Ramirez Flores's body was found early Wednesday in the hotel Tac Lima district of Miraflores. Guard stated that the victim had "abrasions on her face and body, plus traumatic injuries."
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Sounds to me like he was getting out of Peru as quickly as possible at whatever financial cost necessary. If he was not in any hurry then why not use the supposed airline ticket he already had even if it meant waiting a day or two for a flight? Yeah, nothing suspicious about any of this!

Wouldn't it be wonderful if the hotel had security cameras in the hallways that caught JVS being the last person to leave the girls room before she was found dead! One can only hope!
 
fransch said:
This is sad enough already. No need to turn it into some occult thing, because it isn't.
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Sorry I could respond in the other thread it was locked.

I believe JVM used the term ritualistic to mean being part of an established routine or procedure -- not a ritualistic killing based on religious belief. Ritual killing is not always religious in nature -- although that is what it most commonly refers to.
 
Leila said:
In looking at a map of the area, it looks like the possibility of Joran trying to pay someone, perhaps a fishing boat, to take him down the coast to Argentina is an option......maybe his only option.
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I think so too; or a freighter. Wonder where the taxi driver brothers dropped him off in Arica?

There have been many reports, but this is what I have so far...(asking for confirmation from others...please).

She left on Wed. because of fight with family, father reported her on Fri., Sat night(early Sun morn) she meets Vanderslut, takes friends home, she returns to casino, leaves with him to go to his hotel around 5 am and he leaves alone at 8 am.

Just thinking outside the box, but I always wondered if he was "marketing" Natalee to the Kapoe brothers and possibly this was his gig in Lima also. Promising someone to deliver a girl to his hotel room. She then realizes trouble and tries to get away.

One thing is definite. This kid (sic) is a monster and very dangerous....especially now on an international lamb. I hope his mother has seen the light and is raising his brother a little differently...or attending parental classes, or psych would be best. They more or less let an undisciplined child rule his own life --till he had finally acted out in his horrific way searching for the instruction and discipline he so needed and unconsciously sought.
After Natalee they had 5 years to get him help.....what did they do...allowed him go to Thailand and get involved in the sex trade/trafficking. It's not something an 18 year old picks up on his own. Maybe pops was into more than we know.

I never followed the case on the threads, but just a bit on the tube. So don't know all the facts/rumors, etc., but I don't think the father was too good of a role model. And mother just kept her mouth shut to abide the father. JMO IMO
 
epiphany said:
On the morning of Sunday, both retired and went to the hotel 'Tac' Avenue Republic of Panama 6160, where he was staying abroad.
At 5:20 am, Adeli Manchero Abad, hosting employee told police he saw the girl and the stranger enter the room 309.

Then, this would be the hotel in Lima:

http://lima.hotelguide.net/data/h100149.htm
Getting There: Av.Republica of PaNAMAN.6160
Miraflores In the crossing of BenavideZ.
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Thank you for the info. Yes, this is not an exclusive, upscale hotel as previously stated in the media.
 
ABC has interview with a friend of the victim:

"She knew something bad was going to happen to her regarding gambling, regarding this environment. I'm so in shock, because this guy appeared out of nowhere. They went to a hotel and I just can't believe that I just don't see how could have gone to the hotel with this guy. She wouldn't do that... she wouldn't do that. Just for fun? She was always afraid of something like this happening to her. I want everyone to see the real Stephanie the sweet Stephanie, the good friend, the good daughter. She was a great person. If she could have given me the sky, I'm pretty sure she would have done it."


Funeral being held today.

Joe T on talking about false facts and rumors surrounding Joran... blah... blah... blah... I won't bore you with his spin.
 
Chilean Police believes Joran Van Der Sloot is still in Arica
June 03, 2010

Chilean police searching the Dutchman Joran Van Der Sloot (23), prime suspect in the murder of the Peruvian Stephany Flores, daughter of businessman and racer Ricardo Flores, who fled by road to the Chilean city of Arica. Joran Van Der Sloot, entered Peru on May 14, from Colombia, and left the country on 31 May .

http://abh-news.com/chilean-police-believes-joran-van-der-sloot-is-still-in-arica-3068.html
 
I am wondering if Joran has any brothers or sisters? I am not going anywhere with that, just curious.
 
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