Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #13

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This might have been already brought up...but....regarding the supposed coffee run. I thought than when a guest left the hotel, you had to leave your key at the front desk. I guess that he could have left and no one was at the front desk. I bring this up, b/c I thought that I saw in the "coffee video" that he had a key in his hand. Which means that he did indeed fake the whole coffee run...so sickening!

In the video where he's in the lobby leaving with his backpack and other stuff, there is person in white (hotel employee, I assume) that comes into view at the far end that watches him leave.
 
there was no translation, but I am guessing it said she is not in Peru because she was attending a fiesta for a mayor? Is that Spanish? I thought they spoke dutch in Aruba.

It is papiamento, closely related to Spanish but not on the google translator.
 
This is my opinion on the conditions of the Peru prison that JVS is in....This man comes from an affluent well educated family, he has traveled more around this world than I will ever be afforded the luxury of, with that said, You do not go into what is considered in some parts as a 3rd world county and expect to commit such a horrendous crime and sit in a Ritz Carlton prision....I fully believe that at some point in his life after he NH case, his father probably told him he had better have been glad he was in Aruba where daddy could make it all go away and not in some other county where they would likely throw away the key...And then take it one further in the time that he spent speaking with SF he had to have known that she came from a good (affluent) family so if you decide to kill her in her own home country you may as well be prepared for what they have waiting for you.....I would also prefer to not see him or anyone sitting in those conditions, and that could have easily been the case if SF was still alive. I think the answer to this debate would be not to go around killing innocent girls.
 
a picture says a thousand words...........young JVS in flicker photos sure doesn't look like 2005 and now! Boy did he change......even in the eyes.
 
While I agree that prisoners should be treated humanely, I seriously doubt he was being starved. He was given a meal in prison.. and from what I'm gathering, he didn't want that.. he wanted "what the guards were eating" so, then he was given chicken and rice.. which he ate half of. They didn't have to give him that.. they should've (imo) made him eat what the reast of the prisoners had to eat. Who is he to get special treatment?
He was being fed.. granted it wasn't anything posh or gourmet.. but hey, if you're gonna go around killing people, then you're gonna go to jail and that means eating jail food. HE put himself there. If you can't do the time.. don't do the crime.

BBM

What I find to be the most disturbing is that after ALL he has done that he has the audacity to ask to eat what the guards are eating..........Does he think he is at freakin Club Castro? AFTER he accused the Peruvian police of being corrupt and has how many now 5 different stories re what happened?

His sense of entitlement is beyond my comprehension!

Never in all my years of reading up on people have I ever come across what appears to be such a manipulative, lying, cold self-centered individual. His attempt to try to manipulate the legal system by saying he will disclose where Natalie is IF they transfer him to Aruba? Who in the "H" does this guy think he is?

I mean talk about a set of brass you know what! He truely takes the cake. casey anthony has MORE than met her match!
 
I have to say..watching the video of Joran being led to his cell was very disturbing to me as a human being. I TOTALLY feel he should pay for this horrific crime but do not think wishing suffering, threats to his life, and possible torture is a part of a civil punishment. Him stating his head hurts or whatever and that he hasn't eaten in 2 days are basic needs of a human not part of a punishment. I believe if we wish torture and suffering on those that commit crimes we become as sadist as the criminal. He deserves to pay for this crime, no one should suffer like his victims but it is disturbing to me to watch others wish such extreme suffering. If he spends his days in that place, even if he isn't targeted by other prisoners....he will be in hell. I feel sick about the human race at this point. What we do to each other is unremarkable. We should be careful not to think evil...that is what separates us and makes society civil. JMO.

It's interesting that people are feeling empathy for Joran but mostly everyone wanted to crucify Casey. Why is our society so harsh on women especially those who commit crimes against their children but men are felt empathy for when they commit heinous crimes? I 'm just as guilty. I felt sick to watch Joran bought to his cell but reveled in seeing CA arrested and charged with first degree murder.
 
Hi All,

I have been searching, but can't find the original interview that Greta did with Anita and Paulus, does anyone have the link:? TIA
 
I know its difficult not to feel empathy for other human beings , but I ask you to remember the horror and fear that both Natalie and Stephanie felt. Now, their earthly time has ended and Joren must be punished for those crimes. Also I find it hard to believe there are not more crimes and evil, treachery, etc. I am sorry Joren was raised in such a manner he could not seek good things. Very sad.
 
This is my opinion on the conditions of the Peru prison that JVS is in....This man comes from an affluent well educated family, he has traveled more around this world than I will ever be afforded the luxury of, with that said, You do not go into what is considered in some parts as a 3rd world county and expect to commit such a horrendous crime and sit in a Ritz Carlton prision....I fully believe that at some point in his life after he NH case, his father probably told him he had better have been glad he was in Aruba where daddy could make it all go away and not in some other county where they would likely throw away the key...And then take it one further in the time that he spent speaking with SF he had to have known that she came from a good (affluent) family so if you decide to kill her in her own home country you may as well be prepared for what they have waiting for you.....I would also prefer to not see him or anyone sitting in those conditions, and that could have easily been the case if SF was still alive. I think the answer to this debate would be not to go around killing innocent girls.[/QU

Although Joran may have been rescued many times from affluent parents it does not address his anti social behavior which was not created by his social status. Although there may be behavior indicators for violent behavior ....it crosses the barrier of social status.
 
I think its the conditions JVDS faces in the Peru prison. I think most of us want justice for SF, and eventually NH. But personally, I am not crazy about this Castro, Castro. But as someone above said, he shouldn't have killed in that country.
 
I think its the conditions JVDS faces in the Peru prison. I think most of us want justice for SF, and eventually NH. But personally, I am not crazy about this Castro, Castro. But as someone above said, he shouldn't have killed in that country.

Nor should anyone harm or kill anyone in any country. Peru shows that their prisons conditions are not preventing crimes by horrible people. I don't know the answer but if you commit a crime in Peru..... then serving time in any other country is a cake walk from what I have been seeing, yet their crimes are still going strong.
 
It's interesting that people are feeling empathy for Joran but mostly everyone wanted to crucify Casey.

I don't feel empathy for Joran and Casey at all. She killed a young child. I don't have any sympathy for child-killers, absolutely zero. They are among the worst criminals in my book. Joran is one step above that, on a staircase that leads to straight to hell, IMO.

He can whine about his current conditions if he chooses. My take on that is that at least he has current conditions on this earth. He handed out the death penalty and he anything he gets from here on out is an undeserved bonus as far as I'm concerned.
 
Injuries to SFlores' Eye
There was a short discussion back there, about the injury to the eye. Sorry, I can't seem to back-track, and find the post. Having trouble keeping track.

In any case, it was suggested that the report of the eye 'missing' (most likely fallen out of it's socket, as some would say), was a result of decomposition. The suggestion being, that the eye somehow blew out, in the early stages of decomposition.

I have been reading up on eye injuries.
There are numerous cases of traumatic facial and head injuries, that result in what is called "traumatic globe luxation".

Basically, the eye pops out or bulges out of what we might call, the "socket". The journal articles I read, discussed cases involving traumatic head injury, such as an auto accident, blow to the head, etc. One case involved a 26-year old man, who was sitting in the back seat of the car during an auto accident. No seat belt. He was semi-comatose. His left globe (eye) was dislocated, and the eyelids were closed behind it. There was no laceration in the cornea, sclera and extraocular muscles. However, there were multiple fractures of the nasal, inferior and temporal walls of the orbit and in the nasal bone. Some of these fractures (the ones involving orbital floor), are referred to as an "orbital blow out".

Orbital floor (the thin bones that make up the structure of the bony eye orbit) fractures can increase the volume of the orbit. Orbital hemorrhage is possible; the globe (eye) can be either ruptured, or suffer less severe forms of trauma.

" A high-velocity object that impacts the globe and upper eyelid transmits kinetic energy to the periocular structures. This energy results in pressure with a downward and medial vector usually targeting the infraorbital groove. Most fractures occur in the posterior medial region that is comprised of the thinnest bones."

"Orbital fractures - either found alone, or in conjuction with other facial fractures, are the most commonly encountered mid-facial fracture, second only to nasal fractures ".

Based on reading numerous case studies I read today, I don't believe that the displacement of the eye, was due to decomposition, but to the trauma to the mid-facial bones, nasal fractures, and an orbital blow out.

Make no mistake, this was an incredibly violent blow or blows to the head and/face, that caused this.
It was Brutal. Absolutely brutal.
 
Sorry if this has already been discussed. But I can't believe he explained away the 25K in this manner:

41. Where did that $ 25,000 come from and why has this not shown?

- I made a TV show about Internet fraud, and for that information I received $ 25,000 from Uri Geller from the Netherlands. First $ 10,000 in cash and then $ 15,000 in my bank account of SNS Bank in the Netherlands. I also have an ABN account. Furthermore I had received $ 9,000 for providing information about the Holloway case one Quinsy John Kelly. A week before I arrived in Peru I had won $ 6,000 in casinos in Aruba. Moreover, I have some poker accounts. I travel around the world with a lot of money playing poker and I am never on. I do not see why I should be doing. It takes only time that questions about the origin of the money.

Wow - must have been quite a show. Anyone see it?

Mel
 
I know its difficult not to feel empathy for other human beings , but I ask you to remember the horror and fear that both Natalie and Stephanie felt. Now, their earthly time has ended and Joren must be punished for those crimes. Also I find it hard to believe there are not more crimes and evil, treachery, etc. I am sorry Joren was raised in such a manner he could not seek good things. Very sad.

It's interesting, I go back and forth on how I feel about this case and JVDS. There is no doubt in my mind he is responsible/complicit in the disappearance of NH. But there is also the side of me thinks, that if he was trying to protect himself and others, that maybe the truth may have come out. Seems to me that JVDS tried to move on with his life. I read the article that he opened a coffee shop in Thailand. But was it a cover for sex trafficking in Thailand as well? Because there are so many unanswered questions, and JVDS anti-social/lack of empathy towards others, ultimately led to the downward spiral that eventually led to SF's murder. I am with you, I think how I feel about this case, and I do feel sorry for JVDS. But most importantly, I want justice for the families. JMHO
 
Was the property in Aruba owned by the Van der Sloots ever searched? As in digging, etc., thoroughly searched? I seem to recall that LE was not given access to the property around the house. If it was searched, I sure don't remember it, but that would be nothing new.
 
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