Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #15

[Beatrice]

Jean's Wizard of Oz reference when she knocked on the prison door - perhaps, just not knowing exactly what would be awaiting her behind the door.

When Dorothy knocked on the Wizard's door, he answered thru a peep hole/sliding window at first.

 

[epiphany]

My biggest question is why those missing pictures have been kept from everyone. There has to be a reason. Things that make you go hmmmm--her father said they don't know when he went out for coffee but the receipt was in the room. Now, my impression of the father is that he was given as much info as they had. Why wouldn't he know when Joran went out for coffee? It's right there with a time stamp. Why can't we see who else went in and out of that room in the 24 hour
period? Just wondering.

I've got some issues regarding the length of time it took for hotel employees to enter the room. I know all the explanations. Not implying that he didn't commit this murder alone, only that I don't buy the explanations. Just me.

Also, the manner in which the hotel employee opens the door - as wide as is possible. Been to hotels where I've needed employee to open my door for me (key or card left in room). Door never swung open to that degree - just the opposite, as a matter of fact. Door unlocks or clicks open, door pushed in just a touch (an inch; perhaps, two?) - to show respect for customer's privacy.

 

[Nana46]

Nana:

I missed that. Can we hear the old and the new knock knock?

I think they were referring to it as "his little knock knock thing" you know with the door.......it just struck me as funny somehow and I thought......knock knock who's there? Joran. Joran who? Joran camera.
Spoken like your on camera. It's stupid I know.

 

[Nana46]

I've got some issues regarding the length of time it took for hotel employees to enter the room. I know all the explanations. Not implying that he didn't commit this murder alone, only that I don't buy the explanations. Just me.

Also, the manner in which the hotel employee opens the door - as wide as is possible. Been to hotels where I've needed employee to open my door for me (key or card left in room). Door never swung open to that degree - just the opposite, as a matter of fact. Door unlocks or clicks open, door pushed in just a touch (an inch; perhaps, two?) - to show respect for customer's privacy.

That is interesting....but we don't know what he told the clerk....maybe there was some verbal interchange there (I assume) that would account for how the door was opened........dang it this case is nuts I tell you.

 

[Bobarino]

I think they were referring to it as "his little knock knock thing" you know with the door.......it just struck me as funny somehow and I thought......knock knock who's there? Joran. Joran who? Joran camera.
Spoken like your on camera. It's stupid I know.

Thanks Nana. I get it--Joran camera. Not bad.

I wrote something funny up myself, and I too have been afraid it would be misinterpreted here by some.

I have had immense trauma of a type very few would even begin to comprehend, so I will not even mention it all. Except that I look for every excuse to have a bit of levity. It makes life livable. I think it is quite funny--at the monster, Joran's expense of course! But I won't post it unless asked.

 

[FLNY]

Did you catch the clip of inmate in window with big knife cutting on a wire ? Inmates have knives?

BIG knife!!!

 

[krowdkat]

One thing I never thought about until my personal situation today was, all the bruising on Stephany's limbs had to occur before the head trama did. Once her head was knocked against whatever it was, she was helplessly unconcious. So, IMO, there was definitely a MAJOR struggle BEFORE her head was bashed.

Joran's confession eludes to this as well. She tried to leave or some such. She slapped him. She punched him with her right hand.

It's all becoming very clear to me now. If I can just get past the translation of it all. Should have taken Spanish class more seriously in my younger years.

ETA: I'm on the Jean C is doing an incredible job reporting this case despite HLN, JVM, and NG. Kudos Jean.

 

[Nana46]

Thanks Nana. I get it--Joran camera. Not bad.

I wrote something funny up myself, and I too have been afraid it would be misinterpreted here by some.

I have had immense trauma of a type very few would even begin to comprehend, so I will not even mention it all. Except that I look for every excuse to have a bit of levity. It makes life livable. I think it is quite funny--at the monster, Joran's expense of course! But I won't post it unless asked.

Thanks Bobarino....as I have stated many times, I have lost a child so I know the depths of the families pain.....sometimes you just have to have a smile now and then to get you from point A to point B....whatever it takes.....mine wasn't lost to a murder so I know I cannot begin to understand completely....the Casey Anthony case..don't know if you follow it but it has almost obsessed me.....as bad as the JVS case is, the thought that a mother could kill her child is just sometimes more than I can bear so I get away from it for awhile.....this one is a little more detached for me somehow...hard to put into words...murder is murder but Caylee was a little girl.....horrific. If any of us can help you in your walk I think we would....it will be up to you if you want to share......I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.

 

[Lexington]

Lexington, you crack me up! Cuba, Cuba?!? You wouldn't believe how many times I've read it that way. LOL

Glad to hear that I brought some laughter into your life. LOL Seriously though, what is the name of the prison? I have been listening for days on end to Jean C., NG, JVM and I hear them all say Cuba Cuba. Maybe I need to get my hearing checked.

 

[Nana46]

One thing I never thought about until my personal situation today was, all the bruising on Stephany's limbs had to occur before the head trama did. Once her head was knocked against whatever it was, she was helplessly unconcious. So, IMO, there was definitely a MAJOR struggle BEFORE her head was bashed.

Joran's confession eludes to this as well. She tried to leave or some such. She slapped him. She punched him with her right hand.

It's all becoming very clear to me now. If I can just get past the translation of it all. Should have taken Spanish class more seriously in my younger years.

ETA: I'm on the Jean C is doing an incredible job reporting this case despite HLN, JVM, and NG. Kudos Jean.

Your post just hit me with a thought.....what about this....what if JVS for some ungodly reason....admitted something to SF.....admitted something about NH....his part in it or something....and when she heard that that is when she "hit" him if she even did such a thing....say if the message came up on his computer and when he told her about it said something snarky or something about it and SF realized the monster she was alone with.........possible? IMO

 

[epiphany]

That is interesting....but we don't know what he told the clerk....maybe there was some verbal interchange there (I assume) that would account for how the door was opened........dang it this case is nuts I tell you.

Also, re the empty coffee cup-run video footage...and the hotel employee/s.
In the videotape, the door opens. He does not exit for several seconds. The fiasco of stalling outside the door, he is looking down the corridor - he may have been waiting for someone - an employee? Did he call up for someone? Obviously, no one came.

He seemed to be stalling to me. Something may have gone wrong. If he does not realize that there is a working video camera (I don't believe that.), why bother with the phony knocking, etc. He knows there are cameras.

Something went wrong. Someone was supposed to come up. When no one shows up, and he's given them a few minutes - he's done. He simply gives up - looks at camera, limp wrist, etc. He basically freaks out (as we used to say). He knows it is over.

For me, fits in with number of days before entering room. Don't buy he took the chance with an "unknowing" employee opening the door (especially, how over-opened the door was) - oops, left my key inside, open the door. Employee/s were paid off, though didn't know dead body inside. IMO.

 

[Nana46]

Glad to hear that I brought some laughter into your life. LOL Seriously though, what is the name of the prison? I have been listening for days on end to Jean C., NG, JVM and I hear them all say Cuba Cuba. Maybe I need to get my hearing checked.

Castro Castro....they roll their r's so it makes it harder to understand,lol

 

[Beatrice]

So, I'm wondering... Is it the consensus now that the date (five years to the day from Natalee's disappearance) is purely coincidental?

With all the theories (robbery, gambling addiction, hair trigger temper, sexual assault, etc.), some of which I agree with, I still can't get past the overwhelming odds that it happened on exactly that date.

First, I cannot believe that Joran admitted to killing Stephany! Very unlike him to own up to the truth.

IMO Natalee's disappearance and/or death involves more than just Joran.
Joran must feel like a man without a country. He cannot return to Aruba, he lost out on his college scholarship in FL, the Thailand escort business failed as well as the coffee shop. He's broke, traveling alone, resentful, highly addicted...

He was well aware of Natalee's 5th anniversary and just maybe wanted the date to be all about him & let the world know just how much he has lost and how psychopathic he really is......

For answers..."Follow the Money"

 

[Lexington]

Castro Castro....they roll their r's so it makes it harder to understand,lol

Thanks. Right. Castro Castro. I'm hysterical here. Now I feel like a real azz.

 

[FLNY]

While looking for reviews for this hotel, I just came across one that made me fall on the floor laughing. Check out the first review...

http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g294316-d1648892-Reviews-Hotel_Tac_Sac-Lima.html

Too funny!!!

 

[shorty42404]

JVDS may have planned to kill SF somewhere other than the hotel or in another way that wouldn't have resulted in leaving so much evidence behind and something may have disrupted that plan. Maybe he didn't expect a fight from SF or maybe he just simply thought he could get away with anything and then realized that he was in over his head and then had to come up with a way to make it look like he didn't do it.

I personally can't get past the May 30th date being that it is exactly 5 years from the day Natalee went missing, so I still hold to the belief that this was premeditated murder. It's way too much of a coincidence. And again, as it's been mentioned, JVDS has a history of lying and changing stories. He tried it initially in the SF case but there was too much evidence stacked up against him.

I've been praying for the lies to be exposed and the truth to be told for the NH & SF case. But, you know, it may not ever happen. Either way, I pray that the victims families will have peace and that young women everywhere will learn how to to protect themselves from these types of situations. For example, I still see young women, running alone, at night, with their HEADPHONES ON! Every time I see them I pray for God to protect them.

Anyhow, goodnight Websleuthers and God bless! :heart:

 

[Nana46]

Thanks. Right. Castro Castro. I'm hysterical here. Now I feel like a real azz.

Nah it lightens the mood....helps you cope with this crap, roflmbo...hey I have begun to see words differently.....sure makes reading interesting.

 

[Bobarino]

Thanks Bobarino....as I have stated many times, I have lost a child so I know the depths of the families pain.....sometimes you just have to have a smile now and then to get you from point A to point B....whatever it takes.....mine wasn't lost to a murder so I know I cannot begin to understand completely....the Casey Anthony case..don't know if you follow it but it has almost obsessed me.....as bad as the JVS case is, the thought that a mother could kill her child is just sometimes more than I can bear so I get away from it for awhile.....this one is a little more detached for me somehow...hard to put into words...murder is murder but Caylee was a little girl.....horrific. If any of us can help you in your walk I think we would....it will be up to you if you want to share......I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.

Thanks. Nana. I am very sorry for your loss.

I have not followed the Casey Anthony case lately. Maybe because I gave up TV a while ago. I remember it from before I stopped. Horrific.

The JVDS case perhaps fascinates me because I think there are much deeper things going on with him and his father (and protection at the highest levels in Arruba), and I am an expert on the much bigger conspiracy matters. I will not discuss the horrors done to me, except that perhaps the previous sentence gives you a clue. And I wrote that it is not undertstandable to most people because of the denial that most people suffer from regarding things, until they are forced to see the real nature of things (which most people never will). As horrific as it is when, say a Casey Anthony commits her monstrous deed, it really is still comprehensible. When things are done not by individuals but by governments, then it can be too much for most people to even want to comprehend, unless reality has hit them. But that's as far as I'll go, and we should drop it.

Thank you for keeping me in your thoughts and prayers.

And maybe we can consider surviving through some levity now, as you seem to agree with me on that.

 

[epiphany]

So, I'm wondering... Is it the consensus now that the date (five years to the day from Natalee's disappearance) is purely coincidental?

With all the theories (robbery, gambling addiction, hair trigger temper, sexual assault, etc.), some of which I agree with, I still can't get past the overwhelming odds that it happened on exactly that date.

Not a coincidence to me. And I will never believe robbery was primary motive; only a secondary benefit. Father is influential. Wants him in forever - murder for robbery the way it will be laid out - regardless. He murdered her, and that's it as far as they're concerned (additionally, he's done it before).

No different than Castro Castro. What - weapons in here? Course not! What inhumane conditions? See and sniff yourself!

 

[FLNY]

So it's official. Joran did go out for coffee. That makes what Jean C. reported last week accurate that there were two containers of coffee in the room. That also makes Joran's statement that he killed Stephany after he returned from getting the coffee, a complete lie. She was dead already. He killed her, cleaned up, changed clothes and then went out for coffee. Somehow, I think that Joran was unsure about the video camera. He might not have known of its presence until we see him with coffee in hand looking directly at it. Even then, he might have thought it wasn't working, or was working and recorded over rapidly. Anyway, he's caught in yet another lie.

Here are photos of the camera outside his room. To me, it's not obvious that it's a camera. I agree that he didn't realize it right away, but then spotted it in the 'fake' coffee video when knocking on the door and comes back a second time to look at it to make sure, with that panic-y look on his face.