Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #19

[epiphany]

I believe VDS alone committed this murder. However, I do believe that SFR was familiar enough with EGarcia, and JVS was as well (from casinos, staying at same hotel).

In any event, for me this explains why SFR made the error in judgment of entering VDS's hotel room alone at that hour. In her young adult mind, VDS was an acquaintance of my acquaintance.

 

[sassy_texasbelle2]

OK, I now feel bad for my hostile thoughts regarding Joran's mother. idk if I ever posted them (probably) but I for sure thought them ...

guess I was looking for the easiest answer for how a human being can become such a monster - need to always remind myself not to judge so quickly in the future

and while I feel bad for Anita, I loathe Joran even more now after seeing those pictures of Steph - that just about tore me up and I didn't even know her - I can't imagine her poor family having to see those pics

how can one human being have so much rage for a total stranger?

I should really stop trying to understand it I suppose

RIP Steph & Natalee

She was not always so gracious towards Beth Twitty. The family was very hostile towards them for accusing the young prince. Still no pity from me. Yes, Karma is not a pretty thing. Just think of all the money he has made off NH over the years. Nope no pity at all!

 

[suzihawk]

Van der Sloot Files Complaint Against Chief Detective, Says Reports

June 23, 2010 12:54 PM

NEW YORK (CBS/AP) "Joran van der Sloot has filed a complaint of misconduct against chief of detectives Col. Miguel Canlla and other officials involved in his murder investigation, according to reports.

According to newspaper El Comercio, the Dutch national claims his arrest in Chile for the murder of Stephany Flores was executed without a proper warrant. He also states in the complaint that he was not given an official translator, which caused confusion.

"All this with the intention of pressuring me to accuse me of homicide," van der Sloot said in a document obtained by Peruvian television news program "24 Hours.""

Wait... with SO much information that's been digested over the past weeks, I could very well be mistaken, BUT... wasn't Joran asked during his first interrogation if he wanted the help of a lawyer and he said no, that he didn't want/need one?! Does anyone else remember that or am I way off base in recalling this?

IF that's the case, he can't cry foul at this point, can he?

 

[epiphany]

In the very beginning he was interviewed and people complained he wanted 15 minutes of fame, lol.
Then he apparently retracted some statement (going by overloaded memory here) and he became questionable again. One article reports him as having met Joran 2 weeks prior at the casinos, gambling together. If he had money, Joran was likely hanging onto him like a dirty shirt.

Yes, EG probably terrified when found out about the murder - because appears the three were acquainted with each other, etc. Always tell mine - beware of friendships made in wee hours of the morning (clubs, bars, and in this case, casinos).

 

[athy]

keep it up joran...you may buy yourself life in prison yet

 

[Solomisskitty]

Respectfully snipped

how can one human being have so much rage for a total stranger?

I should really stop trying to understand it I suppose

RIP Steph & Natalee

I agree totally, there is no understanding. How can a sane person comprehend what goes on in the mind of a madman? We feel sympathy for those that are mentally ill and do no harm to others. In this case, the madness morphed into just plain evil - - incomprehensible evil.

 

[epiphany]

Wait... with SO much information that's been digested over the past weeks, I could very well be mistaken, BUT... wasn't Joran asked during his first interrogation if he wanted the help of a lawyer and he said no, that he didn't want/need one?! Does anyone else remember that or am I way off base in recalling this?

IF that's the case, he can't cry foul at this point, can he?

I don't remember either way, Suzi. But I believe that one of his objections, made early on, was that the public defender he was assigned had a close relationship with the police or the prosecutors.

 

[Kamille]

In the very beginning he was interviewed and people complained he wanted 15 minutes of fame, lol.
Then he apparently retracted some statement (going by overloaded memory here) and he became questionable again. One article reports him as having met Joran 2 weeks prior at the casinos, gambling together. If he had money, Joran was likely hanging onto him like a dirty shirt.

I wouldn't doubt that they had online contact prior to Joran going to Peru through the online poker sites. EG probably told Joran through private messaging or e-mail that he was heading to Lima for the LAPT tournament and did "invite" him to join him.

I doubt he paid for his trip and hotel though. I would think that would be pretty easy to prove or disprove. :waitasec:

MOO

 

[Cottages]

JeanC said his attorney will appeal.
JeanC: Insanity defense in Peru - similar to our US system.

From what we have learned of the Psych Evaluation, no worries. He's clearly not insane.

I'm wondering what the attorney is planning on appealing. Normally you can't appeal until there's been a final determination (decision) on the case. Occasional interlocutory appeals are cognizable here, i.e. Constitutional issues like no bail or no jurisdiction (authority to hear the case), but they are the rare exception. In order to appeal, you have to have something to appeal. Can't appeal a "charge." Maybe he's looking ahead, which would mean his own attorney is expecting a guilty verdict, but then again, who isn't?

Definitely insane "Legally insane," not a chance. The test in Peru is similar to McNaughten. If he understood the NATURE of his act (Did he know it was criminal?), then he's not legally insane. Doesn't even take an expert to come to that conclusion.

 

[suzihawk]

I don't remember either way, Suzi. But I believe that one of his objections, made early on, was that the public defender he was assigned had a close relationship with the police or the prosecutors.

I remember that, too, epiphany. But I could swear I remember him VERY early on saying he didn't want or need representation. Cause I remember thinking, "oh brother... he has absolutely no clue." This was about the same time he was turned over to the Peruvian authorities. I dunno... :waitasec:

 

[Kamille]

I don't remember either way, Suzi. But I believe that one of his objections, made early on, was that the public defender he was assigned had a close relationship with the police or the prosecutors.

What I don't understand is that from what we've heard, that public defender had helped him to possibly get a much more lenient sentence based on the Peruvian legal system.

This "private" lawyer, being paid for by his mother(?) seems to be throwing him right under a bus. It seems like JVDS is going for an all or nothing outcome here. Either he gets out of Peru on a technicality or he faces the maximum penalty if convicted of the current charges against him. Perhaps that is the point. He knows that whether he's given 3 or 35 years he's a dead man walking? So he's going to try anything to get out of there? Even trying to make this an international human rights issue with his background and reputation? Does he believe his country is going to come to his defense and put pressure on Peru with these allegations? Will they?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Attempting to bring over post from a prior thread:

Non-googled Translation of 20/20 Video by WS member - phone call from AC Casino to Hotel Tac mentioned in video.

"It was also established that the night prior to her death Stephanie had won 5,000 dollars FROM THIS FOREIGNER in a poker game. Fact that he had denied. "

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Joran Van der Sloot Caught! #3

Oh the horror, the profesional poker player was beaten by a young woman?

 

[epiphany]

I'm wondering what the attorney is planning on appealing. Normally you can't appeal until there's been a final determination (decision) on the case. Occasional interlocutory appeals are cognizable here, i.e. Constitutional issues like no bail or no jurisdiction (authority to hear the case), but they are the rare exception. In order to appeal, you have to have something to appeal. Can't appeal a "charge." Maybe he's looking ahead, which would mean his own attorney is expecting a guilty verdict, but then again, who isn't?

Definitely insane "Legally insane," not a chance. The test in Peru is similar to McNaughten. If he understood the NATURE of his act (Did he know it was criminal?), then he's not legally insane. Doesn't even take an expert to come to that conclusion.

Yes, if and when the decision comes in (not in his favor). I happen to agree with those who believe that attorney will appeal. Don't believe will halt the investigation, though.

 

[suzihawk]

What I don't understand is that from what we've heard, that public defender had helped him to possibly get a much more lenient sentence based on the Peruvian legal system.

This "private" lawyer, being paid for by his mother(?) seems to be throwing him right under a bus. It seems like JVDS is going for an all or nothing outcome here. Either he gets out of Peru on a technicality or he faces the maximum penalty if convicted of the current charges against him. Perhaps that is the point. He knows that whether he's given 3 or 35 years he's a dead man walking? So he's going to try anything to get out of there? Even trying to make this an international human rights issue with his background and reputation? Does he believe his country is going to come to his defense and put pressure on Peru with these allegations? Will they?

I think that's exactly what he's doing, Kamille, and I think his hot shot lawyer is giving him some very bad advice. All he's doing is pizzing off the people that hold his life in their hands.

 

[Patty G]

We figured out yesterday, it's the shirt Joran was wearing at the casino and she is now wearing in these pics. Most theorize that Joran put the shirt on her after the murder, but that has yet to be proved or dis-proved.

Last night on Nancy Grace, as they discussed the shirt, the following came forward:

GRACE: Joining us also there in Lima, Victoria Macchi, freelance investigative reporter. Victoria, I understand that you have news about that shirt. Liz, let`s see the bloody shirt that was found. Now, this was the shirt, I believe, taken off Joran Van Der Sloot while he was on the run to Chile. What did you learn, Victoria?

MACCHI: Nancy, I just got finished talking with the head of the homicide division here in the Peruvian national police, and he said that Joran actually had -- he had put the shirt back on Stephany after he killed her, the exact same shirt that he killed -- that he suffocated, smothered her with, he then put on her body because he thought it would be easier to transport her, which was his plan at one time, to put her in a suitcase and transport her, with the shirt on her already.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/22/ng.01.html

 

[Cottages]

JVS does not read a bible at all...He himself stated on his facebook page(in the links) that HE'S AGNOSTIC...

If JVS is using the bible as a lid so the rat couldn't pop out and nuzzle his toes at night...so sad to bad cause I bet the rat is bigger than the bible:croc:

Yes, while he has been a "practicing" agnostic, there's an upcoming window of opportunity for JVS to find truth and beauty in all things! At least here in the U.S., an overwhelming majority of defendant's find God in the short time span between the guilt phase of trial and the sentencing phase.

 

[marikesh]

Attempting to bring over post from a prior thread:

Non-googled Translation of 20/20 Video by WS member - phone call from AC Casino to Hotel Tac mentioned in video.

"It was also established that the night prior to her death Stephanie had won 5,000 dollars FROM THIS FOREIGNER in a poker game. Fact that he had denied. "

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Joran Van der Sloot Caught! #3

BBM
Is there a link for that bolded? I've never heard that before and it's interesting. I checked out the link but there is no further link except for the poster who posted it. TIA.

 

[Patty G]

I am not seeing any notation for bruising on her stomach or am I misreading this chart?

There aren't any bruises on her stomach area or chest area based on the "Police Report" diagram I posted earlier before, however there is a "Mock Drawing" prepared by Nancy Grace where she adds bruising to the chest area. Both pics are in the Media Forum.

 

[Danie]

just heard an idea that when NH went missing, Sloot Dad would not allow investigators to search in a well on Sloot's property...I was following NH case closely at the time, but isn't that interesting.

 

[Danie]

sorry, I meant to say I was not following NH case closely. But a "well on property" would definately hold some curiosity.