GUILTY Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #22

[marikesh]

Criminal Profiler Pat Brown discusses Joran van der Sloot on the Joy Behar Show.

Lead in report from Jean Casarez, discussing his psych profile.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_apkbIzR30E&feature=youtu.be&a

Thank you. That was very informative. Great advice from the shrink to young girls at the end also.

 

[Cottages]

For five years she's done everything she could to dispel any negative reports of his psychological 'problems'. But now that it may prove beneficial, she's shouting it from the rooftops. And while STILL maintaining that he wasn't responsible for Natalee's 'disappearance', mind you. She's a real piece of... work! :furious: Is it any wonder he turned out the way he has?

And probably more will be revealed as to the dysfunction junction that produced JVS. Personality disorders are not genetic constructs; they are nurture constructs. In that problems are evident at an early age does not negate this fact in any way, shape or form.

AVS is hardly an innocent victim. She is responsible for *her* own neglectful or abusive parent behavior. It's her own "karma".

 

[marikesh]

Joran Lawyers arrive on July 15

Among them is Joe Tacopina, (a former lawyer for Michael Jackson). This was announced by Max Highness defender Netherlands in Peru.

It should be noted that one of the foreign lawyers of Van der Sloot is Joe Tacopina, a former legal adviser to the singer Michael Jackson.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftrome.pe%2Fnoticia%2F508588%2Fabogados-joran-llegan-15-julio&sl=es&tl=en

Well they've given 3 different dates already. Drawing it all out as long as possible.
Joe was not an advisor TO Michael J; just advising another lawyer who advised Michael J., not?
Joe wants into all the high profile cases for all the wrong reasons but after what he said about Joran, I wonder whether Anita really wants him around Joran. She may end up kicking his butt like she did to another lawyer in Aruba.

 

[suzihawk]

Well they've given 3 different dates already. Drawing it all out as long as possible.
Joe was not an advisor TO Michael J; just advising another lawyer who advised Michael J., not?
Joe wants into all the high profile cases for all the wrong reasons but after what he said about Joran, I wonder whether Anita really wants him around Joran. She may end up kicking his butt like she did to another lawyer in Aruba.

From the transcript of Greta Van Susteran's 'On the Record' of November 25, 2008:

<snipped>

TACOPINA: Yes, I do have a problem with it, Greta, because if you offered Joran $10,000 tomorrow and ask him to tell you a fifth story, he would do it. Clearly, he's a sick kid. Clearly, I have nothing to say in defense of his actions, Greta. OK?

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you deny...?

TACOPINA: But I still tell you, and I stand by the notion that the investigation regarding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway has not led to Joran. That's the bottom line. No one expects anyone to believe anything this kid has to say anymore. Quite frankly, he's on the verge of sociopath and despicable, but--

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457715,00.html


JT interview begins @2.48. Most enlightening. His arrogance is simply astounding.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEfM0tcd_Po[/ame]

 

[Lola]

This JT stuff all links back to two things: Joe's original reaction on June 2 and Maximo Altez telling Peru21 that foreign lawyers are/were coming on the 9th of July. Since then JT has stated several times and to several sources that he is not now nor has he ever been involved in the Stefany Flores' case. Sometimes it's that simple.

Maximo Altez the on again off again lawyer is the source for this info and so far he has not produced the foreign lawyers. Consider the sources.

 

[FLNY]

I don't know whether or not this is significant, but up until yesterday Joran's Peruvian lawyer has been referred to as 'Máximo Altez' and in some instances with his full name 'Máximo Altez Navarro'.

But, yesterday's statement of the two foreign lawyers expected on July 15 was attributed to 'Pablo Altez Navarro'.....I would assume it's his brother.

"The information regarding Tacopina’s arrival, according to El Comercio, was given by Van der Sloot’s Peruvian lawyer, Pablo Altez Navarro."

http://theperuguide.com/michael-jackson-lawyer-to-defend-van-der-sloot.html

So, is Maximo still on the case or is it being turned over to his brother? Never any mention of 4 lawyers: 2 Peruvian and 2 foreign.

 

[mister happy]

Sorry if this has been asked before, but can Joe practice law in Peru? Doesn't he need a law license for Peru?

 

[FLNY]

Sorry if this has been asked before, but can Joe practice law in Peru? Doesn't he need a law license for Peru?

I previously posted this:

One of the comments (6th comment down) on the Peru news article about two foreign lawyers states:

"Foreign lawyers , if not registered in the Bar Association of Peru , can not practice in our country , much less assume the defense of a detainee ........ come on visits, but are not entitled to confer with his client at any time , as does a registered lawyer."

http://translate.google.com/transla...bogados-extranjeros-joran-llegan-este-viernes

 

[jilly]

Well they've given 3 different dates already. Drawing it all out as long as possible.
Joe was not an advisor TO Michael J; just advising another lawyer who advised Michael J., not?
Joe wants into all the high profile cases for all the wrong reasons but after what he said about Joran, I wonder whether Anita really wants him around Joran. She may end up kicking his butt like she did to another lawyer in Aruba.

bbm
Another so-called high profile lawyer did the same with Pedersen before he represented him - said he was guilty on LKL.
He went on the represent him and in the end, didn't even show up for the verdict.

 

[suzihawk]

I previously posted this:

One of the comments (6th comment down) on the Peru news article about two foreign lawyers states:

"Foreign lawyers , if not registered in the Bar Association of Peru , can not practice in our country , much less assume the defense of a detainee ........ come on visits, but are not entitled to confer with his client at any time , as does a registered lawyer."

http://translate.google.com/translat...n-este-viernes

My guess is that he'll be/is acting as a paid consultant on the case.

As to JT's statements or denials as to whether he's involved in the case, I'd like to see his actual quotes on the matter. Slick lawyers are very careful how they parse their words. At this point I'd bet my last dime that he's involved in some manner.

 

[suzihawk]

bbm
Another so-called high profile lawyer did the same with Pedersen before he represented him - said he was guilty on LKL.
He went on the represent him and in the end, didn't even show up for the verdict.

Mark Geragos. Haven't heard much from or about him since, either. Heh...

 

[FLNY]

Just when you think this can't get any weirder:

"Joran van der Sloot would be an accomplice

The lawyers suspected ... hotel owner TAC and Uruguayan friend [of] confessed murderer of Stephany Flores.

Highness Pablo Navarro, Dutchman's lawyer in Peru , described as "very strange " that the Police have not questioned the owner of the hotel TAC , where the crime occurred .

"The owner is a Chinese citizen of 26 years and have never called to testify , "said the lawyer to Perú.21. Counsel hinted his suspicion that employer. However, the identity of the character kept in reserve.

Suspect. Highness also indicated that there are doubts about the investigation. " They say my sponsored confessed, but the lawyer was present and represented him at that time has not reappeared. So far not found, " he said.

Also questioned the police questioning. "The translator was not sent by the Netherlands Embassy . No driving legal terms. Therefore, the alleged confession My client is invalid , "he said .

On the other hand , told the portal Central Az Joseph Tacopina , foreign supporter of Van der Sloot , said the Dutchman's accomplice would be this close friend , Elton Garcia Uruguayan citizen . The attorney also criticized the actions of the Peruvian police for investigation and interrogation of his client at the beginning of the process."

http://peru21.pe/noticia/509006/van-der-sloot-tendria-complice

(1) There's Pablo again, instead of Maximo, as Joran's Peruvian lawyer.

(2) Tacopino described as 'foreign supporter of' JVDS...NOT as part of defense team??!!??

(3) Tacopino brings up Elton Garcia as possible accomplice....tell me JT hasn't been advising on this case all along!!!

(4) JVDS flees town after murder, but accomplice Garcia stays around to play (and win) in poker tournament....yea, right!!

MOO

 

[FLNY]

Hmmm....maybe there's more going on than what we know!!! :waitasec:

Here's a report from June 4 that I've never seen before with remarks about 'another man' on the hotel video tapes!!!

"The local Lima news brigade was camped outside the hotel trying to get comments from people, who were being questioned by the police, as they exited....

'We're trying to look for the police video,' informed a local reporter. Despite the fact that the news stated that Van der Sloot and Flores were noted going alone to his hotel room, the reporter mentioned, 'They are looking for another guy who was with him who they saw on the hotel security video.' The reporter then proceeded to try and get a comment from a scared, tearful woman vacating the premises, while the police coroner also brushed them aside."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harmon-leon/crossing-paths-with-van-d_b_601350.html

Still, I'm certain there is nothing to this or I'm sure JVDS would have used this in his confession!! But, this might be the source of the 'accomplice' story attibuted to Tacopina, seen earlier today.

MOO

 

[suzihawk]

Good sleuthing, FLNY. How did we miss that?

Now to figure out how it all falls together? I wish I weren't feeling a little nervous about it.

 

[hollyblue]

Criminal Profiler Pat Brown discusses Joran van der Sloot on the Joy Behar Show.

Lead in report from Jean Casarez, discussing his psych profile.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_apkbIzR30E&feature=youtu.be&a

I like Brian Russell--and he has JVS spot on. I just wish they would discuss Joran's anger. What situation or crisis happened in his childhood or teens that created it or was it something genetic compounded by poor parental guidance?

 

[panthera]

Good sleuthing, FLNY. How did we miss that?

Now to figure out how it all falls together? I wish I weren't feeling a little nervous about it.

I'd like to get the information from another, more reliable, source. I just can't see how another person could be on the hotel video and be completely missed, if there was any possible connection. MOO

 

[jilly]

I previously posted this:

One of the comments (6th comment down) on the Peru news article about two foreign lawyers states:

"Foreign lawyers , if not registered in the Bar Association of Peru , can not practice in our country , much less assume the defense of a detainee ........ come on visits, but are not entitled to confer with his client at any time , as does a registered lawyer."

http://translate.google.com/transla...bogados-extranjeros-joran-llegan-este-viernes

Well for sure he'll be visiting joran and I guess he'll be on the US media circuit next week with his spin.

 

[hollyblue]

Hmmm....maybe there's more going on than what we know!!! :waitasec:

Here's a report from June 4 that I've never seen before with remarks about 'another man' on the hotel video tapes!!!

"The local Lima news brigade was camped outside the hotel trying to get comments from people, who were being questioned by the police, as they exited....

'We're trying to look for the police video,' informed a local reporter. Despite the fact that the news stated that Van der Sloot and Flores were noted going alone to his hotel room, the reporter mentioned, 'They are looking for another guy who was with him who they saw on the hotel security video.' The reporter then proceeded to try and get a comment from a scared, tearful woman vacating the premises, while the police coroner also brushed them aside."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harmon-leon/crossing-paths-with-van-d_b_601350.html

Still, I'm certain there is nothing to this or I'm sure JVDS would have used this in his confession!! But, this might be the source of the 'accomplice' story attibuted to Tacopina, seen earlier today.

MOO

We didn't miss it, I remember reading it....about the police video, but I don't remember the line :

They are looking for another guy who was with him who they saw on the hotel security video."

Seriously, could this have been updated or edited? Maybe we need to go back and look at the comments we had made earlier concerning this? I know we did. We would have questioned this in some way.

 

[FLNY]

We didn't miss it, I remember reading it....about the police video, but I don't remember the line :

They are looking for another guy who was with him who they saw on the hotel security video."

Seriously, could this have been updated or edited? Maybe we need to go back and look at the comments we had made earlier concerning this? I know we did. We would have questioned this in some way.

I don't think this report from the Huffington Post has been edited, because I found the same report verbatim in another newspaper with the same dateline:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/hleon/detail?blogid=191&entry_id=65053

MOO

 

[hollyblue]

I don't think this report from the Huffington Post has been edited, because I found the same report verbatim in another newspaper with the same dateline:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/hleon/detail?blogid=191&entry_id=65053

MOO

Your right. I must have just forgotten about it. Here is the thread and some of the posts in discussing it. It was dismissed as hearsay ---the person reporting this was told by another reporter at the scene.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106023&page=26

Posts 642, 656, 664, 667 & 669.

Here are the search results for "sfgate.com" ---the article:

ETA: correct link--don't know what I did there but....sorry. (blush)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/search.php?searchid=3274757