GUILTY Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #22

[FLNY]

Hey, Hollyblue.....we make a good tag team!!! :woohoo: :woohoo:

 

[hollyblue]

Hey, Hollyblue.....we make a good tag team!!! :woohoo: :woohoo:

We keep diggin- don't we?:dance: And I think you may be right about the translation. Could have been a she.

 

[marikesh]

Mother of Dutch Joran van der Sloot believes that it is a killer and will never come to Peru and view it if condemn you the crime of Stephany Flores

Google Translate version, better translation:

http://translate.google.com/transla...-lo-condenan-por-el-crimen-de-Stephany-Flores



http://www.microsofttranslator.com/...-lo-condenan-por-el-crimen-de-Stephany-Flores

I realize she needs to go on with her life finally, however imo she has made Joran very dependent on her and now she drops the boom? What son that age calls their mother "mommy" and what mother signs off with "mommy" to son who is not a child any longer? Covering for his many misfortunes didn't do Joran any good at all; he hasn't learned to deal with rejection normally. The psychiatrist on Joy Behar's show was "spot-on".

 

[hollyblue]

Just wanted to note:

We have never seen an actual photo of her car have we? You'd think the press would have taken pictures of where it was found before it was moved.??

 

[hollyblue]

I realize she needs to go on with her life finally, however imo she has made Joran very dependent on her and now she drops the boom? What son that age calls their mother "mommy" and what mother signs off with "mommy" to son who is not a child any longer? Covering for his many misfortunes didn't do Joran any good at all; he hasn't learned to deal with rejection normally. The psychiatrist on Joy Behar's show was "spot-on".

I agree with your assessment of AVDS totally, but I must defend his calling his mother mommy. Some families in Europe and the Mediterranean do use this. I personally know of a man in his 40's who called his father "daddy" and he had teenagers of his own.

 

[georger]

Suzihawk and HollyBlue:

Thanks for your kind words and encouragement! There are so many inconsistencies in this case that it just makes me want to keep searching for some fact that seems reliable....haven't found one yet!! But that won't stop me...LOL!! :blushing: :blushing:

Garcia was either the room during the "critical period" with Steph, or he wasn't. And the video camera will either confirm that or not. Joe T can come up with any and all excuses he wants to avoid this basic fact
(cam wasnt working, blah blah blah) but nothing Joe T can come up with
negates the evidence against Joran. When this becomes evident Joe T
going to go try and work a plea deal, in the end, imho.

At every turn so far, the Peruvians have avoided all politics (it looks to me) because to them this is a straightforward murder rapacious kind, from a known rapacious scoundral, and Joe T
even agrees to that from his other comments! Joe T needs to avoidf the media and zip his
lips ... he is screwing his own case! Maybe Joe T. will wind up a witness for the proscecutor!!!
Wouldn't that be karma... they all go down in the same gail.?

 

[georger]

Here is an article of E Garcia from the translation thread:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Translation Thread JVDS

From your link:
"After that they ask him “About how many times have you played poker with her”. He says that he played with her approximately 4 times, in the Casino Atlantic City and Fiesta on Benavides Avenue, and he also says that while he was in his room, the police went to his room when it had already been made public that the death, when it was alreado known where the crime scene was. "

At no time does he says he ever played poker with Stephanie in Joran's
room, or in his own room, never had any contact with her at the hotel Tac, is not seen on the vid cam outside Joran's room (at any time?),
... only that police went to his room to inquire and look around after
the discovery of Stephanie.

So, how does that turn him into Stephanie's muderer as per Joe T?

I think the prosecutor will say ... 'nonsense'. in fact! if this is th best Joe T can come up with maybe that inidcates how little he has to defend Joran with ? Joe T might as well be saying: !
Garcia was hired by the FBI to droive Joran to Peru to gamble so he would murder!" ???
Conspiracy gobblewobble at its core.

 

[Peliman]

I like Brian Russell--and he has JVS spot on. I just wish they would discuss Joran's anger. What situation or crisis happened in his childhood or teens that created it or was it something genetic compounded by poor parental guidance?

I'm not sure there is a cause that can pinpoint Jorans anger. I can speak in general about anger but I view anger as a release of emotion similar to when one burst into tears. Causes and how a person deals with a release of emotions can differ from person to person depending on their coping skills.

Stressors are a factor and some people internalize stressors and deny they are affected when in reality they become like a pressure cooker waiting for the safety valve to blow. This maybe why it appears Joran went into a rage state.

http://www.roadtowellbeing.ca/questionnaires/life-stressors.html

I can tell you I'm big on how people perceive events in their life and how they self talk their way into or out of emotionally charged events. I/E jumping to conclusions and acting as though those conclusions are the truth.

Example: Joran in childhood could have perceived his brother was more loved and treated better by his parents than he was. He could have incorrectly perceived himself as "the bad one" - the black sheep of the family.

If Joran believed this to be true he could have been jealous of his brother and acted out to wards his brother and maybe he perceived and believed the dog liked his brother more too. <just example here> It's called holding irrational beliefs, it can be searched on the web under "Rational Emotive therapy"

Then there's seizure activity associated with rage state, a frontal lobal disorder.

I'll shaddup now but anger is a complex emotional reaction, a person who hits the wall in anger is displaying what's known as transference. Hope that helps answer some of your question but I know not all.

Someone also brought up John Bradshaw which I highly recommend.

 

[marikesh]

I agree with your assessment of AVDS totally, but I must defend his calling his mother mommy. Some families in Europe and the Mediterranean do use this. I personally know of a man in his 40's who called his father "daddy" and he had teenagers of his own.

I'm from the European culture myself and as children we called our mothers "mutti" (the u sounding like ou together) and dads "tatti"; as we got older it was "mama" and "tata".
I can see your reasoning though, however more so for girls than for boys.

 

[Kamille]

Well I've been away for a week and it's good to see that in that time the original hoopla surrounding Joran has subsided, well at least in the US media anyway. While it doesn't do much for us with trying to sleuth the case, for me, it's kind of nice to see that he's no longer getting any attention from the US media (NG, JVM etc). With everyone moving on from his story, that million dollar payout doesn't look like it's going to happen, hopefully he missed that window of opportunity when anyone would care to watch an interview with him. So with the attention off them, perhaps Peru can just carry on with this case as they would any other one. Of course he's going to try to do things to get himself back in the media (via his mother) and you can see it slightly with the nonsense that's coming out regarding JT and the various defense theories, but it looks like Peru has possibly put an end to the "leaks" coming out of the prison itself? Not one story about how he watched the Netherlands lose to Spain yesterday from the comfy prison lounge with his BFF the Clown?

 

[Kamille]

From your link:
"After that they ask him “About how many times have you played poker with her”. He says that he played with her approximately 4 times, in the Casino Atlantic City and Fiesta on Benavides Avenue, and he also says that while he was in his room, the police went to his room when it had already been made public that the death, when it was alreado known where the crime scene was. "

At no time does he says he ever played poker with Stephanie in Joran's
room, or in his own room, never had any contact with her at the hotel Tac, is not seen on the vid cam outside Joran's room (at any time?),
... only that police went to his room to inquire and look around after
the discovery of Stephanie.

So, how does that turn him into Stephanie's muderer as per Joe T?

I think the prosecutor will say ... 'nonsense'. in fact! if this is th best Joe T can come up with maybe that inidcates how little he has to defend Joran with ? Joe T might as well be saying: !
Garcia was hired by the FBI to droive Joran to Peru to gamble so he would murder!" ???
Conspiracy gobblewobble at its core.

I do find it interesting however that they didn't ask EG in his statement where he was that night. What was his alibi? Was he at the casino? It's been reported that he was. What time did he leave and was he asleep in his room when this happened? What was his room number? I can see where Joran's defence would want to focus on him. Although I think that they might have been so confident in the video surveillance footage that they didn't feel they needed to bother. I'm sure there is footage of him returning to the hotel and going to his room as well.

 

[hollyblue]

I'm not sure there is a cause that can pinpoint Jorans anger. I can speak in general about anger but I view anger as a release of emotion similar to when one burst into tears. Causes and how a person deals with a release of emotions can differ from person to person depending on their coping skills.

Stressors are a factor and some people internalize stressors and deny they are affected when in reality they become like a pressure cooker waiting for the safety valve to blow. This maybe why it appears Joran went into a rage state.

http://www.roadtowellbeing.ca/questionnaires/life-stressors.html

I can tell you I'm big on how people perceive events in their life and how they self talk their way into or out of emotionally charged events. I/E jumping to conclusions and acting as though those conclusions are the truth.

Example: Joran in childhood could have perceived his brother was more loved and treated better by his parents than he was. He could have incorrectly perceived himself as "the bad one" - the black sheep of the family.

If Joran believed this to be true he could have been jealous of his brother and acted out to wards his brother and maybe he perceived and believed the dog liked his brother more too. <just example here> It's called holding irrational beliefs, it can be searched on the web under "Rational Emotive therapy"

Then there's seizure activity associated with rage state, a frontal lobal disorder.

I'll shaddup now but anger is a complex emotional reaction, a person who hits the wall in anger is displaying what's known as transference. Hope that helps answer some of your question but I know not all.

Someone also brought up John Bradshaw which I highly recommend.

Thank you for your very informative post and link. I'll do a little reading. The only book I have read on anger is the Dance of Anger. Confession: I've beat up many a pillow in my day.:blushing:

 

[FLNY]

I don't know if I should post this, since it HAS NOT YET BEEN CONFIRMED in the media, but YouTube has just reported that:

"Peter De Vries has reported DNA of Joran Van Der Sloot was found on the body of a dead teen involved in sex trade prostiution in Thailand.....The Girl died in 2008, but the DNA match of Van der sloot was just confirmed by Police detectives in Thailand"

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhzxR0-jF4k[/ame]

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UPDATE (July 12 7:15 pm): I've contacted Paul Begley who created this video. He claims he found this information on a Thai website with the information attributed to Peter de Vries. He will provide the link when he's relocated the web page.

 

[Kamille]

EG is a good looking man, no? Media say he is 35, but a registration for the tournament stated he was born in 1970, making him 40....but who knows. I wanted to note this from the article also:

In the police file it seems that one of his fellow poker players, Elton Garcia, has all the papers of an American federal agent with him.

In his statement, EG listed his birthdate as June 20, 1975. So he is 35.

I have no idea what they mean about the "FBI papers". :waitasec:

 

[Kamille]

I don't know if I should post this, since it HAS NOT YET BEEN CONFIRMED in the media, but YouTube has just reported that:

"Peter De Vries has reported DNA of Joran Van Der Sloot was found on the body of a dead teen involved in sex trade prostiution in Thailand.....The Girl died in 2008, but the DNA match of Van der sloot was just confirmed by Police detectives in Thailand"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhzxR0-jF4k

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WOW!! Can we find this in print anywhere?

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Tacopina might be involved as consultant, but if JVDS end up facing extortion charges in the US, he will need an American lawyer. This "other man" defense is vintage JT, as it was used as part of the "Joran left Natalee on the beach and ANOTHER MAN came along and must have killed her" defense. The JT article someone posted on this or the earlier thread has a scene in which JT is actually searching for the mythical Other Man in Aruba.

Remember, the defense has to have a "theory," and we should know that it must involve another man as killer and questioning of the videotape evidence because otherwise there is no defense. Joran is on the tape, coming and going and coming back. It's his hotel room. And he stole the car and ran away. So the defense attorneys have a lot of 'splainin' to do.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I don't know if I should post this, since it HAS NOT YET BEEN CONFIRMED in the media, but YouTube has just reported that:

"Peter De Vries has reported DNA of Joran Van Der Sloot was found on the body of a dead teen involved in sex trade prostiution in Thailand.....The Girl died in 2008, but the DNA match of Van der sloot was just confirmed by Police detectives in Thailand"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhzxR0-jF4k

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Maybe there will be a real "bombshell tonight."

 

[Linda7NJ]

WOW!! Can we find this in print anywhere?

Nope, I can't find it. Checking the wires.........I'll let ya know if it comes through

 

[annalia]

Tacopina might be involved as consultant, but if JVDS end up facing extortion charges in the US, he will need an American lawyer. This "other man" defense is vintage JT, as it was used as part of the "Joran left Natalee on the beach and ANOTHER MAN came along and must have killed her" defense. The JT article someone posted on this or the earlier thread has a scene in which JT is actually searching for the mythical Other Man in Aruba.

Remember, the defense has to have a "theory," and we should know that it must involve another man as killer and questioning of the videotape evidence because otherwise there is no defense. Joran is on the tape, coming and going and coming back. It's his hotel room. And he stole the car and ran away. So the defense attorneys have a lot of 'splainin' to do.

The other man defense is vintage JT and common defense attorney strategy. Does anyone recall that the first thing Joe threw out upon hearing about Stephany was something to the effect of how does anyone know that someone else didn't go into the room? That was before he knew anything about the case or saw any of the videos, he just speculated and speculations have an uncanny way of growing into facts when it comes to trying to defend the indefensible when it comes to Joran.

 

[Kamille]

Tacopina might be involved as consultant, but if JVDS end up facing extortion charges in the US, he will need an American lawyer. This "other man" defense is vintage JT, as it was used as part of the "Joran left Natalee on the beach and ANOTHER MAN came along and must have killed her" defense. The JT article someone posted on this or the earlier thread has a s nee in which JT is actually searching for the mythical Other Man in Aruba.

Remember, the defense has to have a "theory," and we should know that it must involve another man as killer and questioning of the videotape evidence because otherwise there is no defense. Joran is on the tape, coming and going and coming back. It's his hotel room. And he stole the car and ran away. So the defense attorneys have a lot of 'splainin' to do.

I agree that the defence has to have a theory but thankfully they are not playing to a jury here and reasonable doubt doesn't seem to be an issue.

I also think they may just need someone in the US with some media experience to keep trying to float the story...any story...about JVS so people will not just forget about him and his current living conditions. I think his family may feel that he has some protection if the U.S. is watching Peru on this. They've got someone going in there twice a week to check things out and bring him things and I'm sure they're getting all kinds of information from that person as well.

MOO