GUILTY Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #23

[Sanny]

Van Der Sloot Admits To Extortion


Dutch Murder Suspect Wanted Money From Holloways

POSTED: Monday, September 6, 2010
UPDATED: 8:05 am EDT September 6, 2010

AMSTERDAM -- The Dutchman charged with killing a 21-year-old Peruvian woman and suspected in the disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway has acknowledged extorting money from Holloway's parents and said he did it to get back at them, according to an interview published Monday.
The Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf quoted Joran van der Sloot as confessing to taking money from the family of the teenager in return for revealing the location of her body. He was indicted in the U.S. in June for extortion after being caught in an FBI sting, though the place he indicated as her burial site site turned out to be bogus.
Holloway was last seen alive with him on the Caribbean resort island of Aruba in 2005, and he has publicly said he killed her and then retracted his confession several times.
"I wanted to get back at Natalee's family -- her parents have been making my life tough for five years," the paper quoted him as saying from prison in Peru. "When they offered to pay for the girl's location, I thought: 'Why not'?"
U.S. prosecutors saod that in the sting earlier this year, Natalee's mother sent $10,000 in cash to Van der Sloot through an FBI witness, and a wire transfer of $15,000 to Van der Sloot's bank account in the Netherlands. He took the money and flew to Latin America.
He has been charged with killing Stephany Flores in his hotel room in Lima, Peru on May 30 - 5 years to the day after Holloway's disappearance. He met both women in casinos.
Van der Sloot initially confessed to killing Flores to Peruvian police, but later said he only did so because he was intimidated and had been promised he would be extradited to the Netherlands.
His requests to have the confession retracted have so far been denied and he awaits trial.
Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press

 

[karma-girl]

Thanks, karma-girl. Very interesting. I can't help but wonder if this is just another in a long line of confessions that he'll later retract. He's made quite the career of doing this whenever he needs attention (or money).

Love this quote:

"I wanted to get back at Natalee's family — her parents have been making my life tough for five years,"

Really, Joran? Really? Why would that be, do ya think? :waitasec:

Good morning Suzihawk...that quote fired me up so much I don't think I'll be needing my morning cup of joe! :banghead:

 

[annalia]

Joran's lawyer also wants to know more about the role that Elton Garcia played. He not only invited Joran to Peru, but there was information that Garcia paid for the hotel (according to Joran), and that Garcia was the person that sent police to Joran and to his hotel. The lawyer wants to know if the FBI had any involvement with Joran's travels in Peru. If the video feed was from a separate surveillance system, then it would be easy to argue that someone could have tampered with the footage.

Stephany's father said that Stephany had evidence under her nails, but I think she was buried too fast for proper analysis of that evidence. Evidence of blood on Joran's things in the hotel room doesn't mean much unless Joran can be connected to the actual murder ... connecting Joran to the room is not a problem, but it doesn't imply guilt.

Another problem with the surveillance video is that the time on the room camera was 20 minutes different than the time on the front desk camera. I always found that to be unusual. I also thought it was unusual for such a cheap hotel to have such sophisticated equipment, and that the footage was still available days later.

MOO, Altez is throwing spaghetti on the wall hoping something will stick. The FBI has access to the highest tech equipment around, if they were tailing Joran they wouldn't be using a monstrosity like that camera that was in obvious plain sight. If Elton was an FBI agent he wouldn't have stayed in Peru and gambled afterwards, they would have gotten him out of there right away. Joran said that Elton lured him to Peru and paid for his hotel in an interview but that isn't what he said to the police in his confession.

It was said that security cameras are everywhere in Peru, even along the streets so a place like the Hotel Tac would surely have security cameras plus they advertised 24/7 security on their website. I remember discussion about the time difference, I don't remember it being 20 minutes but the way it was explained made a lot of sense, I don't remember exacty but I will try to find where that discussion was. I didn't think that the equipment was all that sophisticated.

I don't follow your point about the blood in the room not implying his guilt, did you see his bloody shirt, did you read his confession some of the specifics of it only the killer would know? He took off in her car, why would he do that?

 

[passionflower]

tHERE ARE NO WORDS TO DESCRIBE THE EVIL in JVS!!!

 

[FLNY]

Apparently, the Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf reported on the interview with Joran to be televised tonight. And, apparently, JVDS is just a really nice guy...here are some of his comments as reported by the Peru press:

About the Flores family: "I think what happened is horrible for the family." (MOO - can't comment on this, as I'm so disgusted that he could even say this out loud...total self-denial!)

About Natalee's family: "When I was offered money to find the girl, I thought, why not?, But now I regret." (MOO - I'll bet he does. If it wasn't for that money, he wouldn't have been in Peru or in a Peruvian prison!)

About teaching English to the jailers: The guards of the prison "are very happy with me." (MOO - You betcha...keep them happy and you may stay alive!)

About being jailed: [being in prison, he has] "time to think" because in the past five years has only thought of "fun" and "money", without thinking of the future. (MOO - Lots of time for thinking now....only no options for the future for the next 35 years!)

About joining the general population: He can only leave his cell one hour a day. That's why he asked to be moved to the wing where [with the other foreigners] to other sports with them and not be alone 23 hours a day as is the case, since [the Columbian] was moved to the shared cell. (MOO - Yes, always the sporter...guess he doesn't realize that one of the sports played in the general population is to 'off' the other guy!)

About Stephanie's murder: "Joran does not contradict now Stephany Flores killing, [stated] the newspaper, which clarifies that the young Dutchman, who originally claimed that the Peruvian was killed by two men, has refused to give details." (MOO - I think this means he's retracted his claim of the two men hidden in the room, but hasn't come up yet with another lie to cover himself.)

UPDATE: Another Peru newspaper, El Comercio, states that the above comment means "Van der Sloot was responsible for murder of Stephany Flores , according to press Netherlands." I've added its link at the bottom.

http://translate.googleusercontent....&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhjN2MaHlElg4L_OuBkIfs8zXMWnrQ

The De Telegraaf website has a two-minute clip of Joran's interview in Dutch. Maybe Rotterdam can recap if for us again....TIA, Rotterdam:

http://translate.google.com/transla...land/7566169/__Joran_spreekt___.html?sn=video

ADDED: http://translate.google.com/transla...sinato-stephany-flores-segun-prensa-holandesa

 

[otto]

In the video clip, Joran says that everything is okay with the guards, and that he teaches English to a couple of guards for a couple of hours 3 times a week. They come to him with their study books. He speaks with his mom once a week, but it's very difficult. Anita is shown repeating the remarks she made in the video shortly after Joran's arrest, where she says that if he did it, then he should suffer the consequences, and that she doesn't have a single reason to visit him in his cell. He expressed regrets for his actions and what it has done to his mother and brothers. He has no contact with his brothers, they absolutely don't want to speak with him, and he says he understands this. They are very upset with him.

 

[annalia]

MOO but all of the attempts to fingerpoint away from Joran will be moot after this interview is aired. If what we're hearing is accurate, he admits to extorting money and he admits to killing Stephany. Anyone who can defend or excuse that is way beyond my realm of comprehension. What was Altez thinking to allow this interview. Was it the $$$?

 

[fran]

I really could care less, if news outlets are so stooooopid they waste their money on this :liar: . They know he'll just retract anything in the next interview.

Gosh, this guy just loves the attention!

Anyway, I followed the Holloway case closely for two years. Now that Joran has shown the WORLD what he REALLY IS, all I care about is that now his lies are from :behindbar s. Just what he always deserved! IMHO :furious:

Oh, and the Holloways made his life difficult!?

Wow! He's got a lot of nerve after what he KNOWS what he did and he ruined the Holloway's life and deprived Natalee of any life at all! :banghead:

OMG!
fran

 

[FLNY]

In the video clip, Joran says that everything is okay with the guards, and that he teaches English to a couple of guards for a couple of hours 3 times a week. They come to him with their study books. He speaks with his mom once a week, but it's very difficult. Anita is shown repeating the remarks she made in the video shortly after Joran's arrest, where she says that if he did it, then he should suffer the consequences, and that she doesn't have a single reason to visit him in his cell. He expressed regrets for his actions and what it has done to his mother and brothers. He has no contact with his brothers, they absolutely don't want to speak with him, and he says he understands this. They are very upset with him.

Thanks so much, Otto!

It really does seem to be that he's admitting everything! I suppose a retraction is in the works!! However, I did notice that his cocky smile was gone during this clip. Could it be that reality is finally setting in??!!?? :waitasec:

I wonder now what the TV show can possibly show for 90 minutes, unless they use a lot of old footage. It can't possibly be an entire 90 min. for the interview!!??!!??

 

[suzihawk]

tHERE ARE NO WORDS TO DESCRIBE THE EVIL in JVS!!!

Bears repeating!

Being a self professed crime buff, I've been emotionally involved in many cases - far too many - over the years. But this case and this criminal has gotten under my skin more than any other. His young age - when he committed his first crime (that we know of), his arrogance, the family dynamics, Aruba's involvement, etc. The fact that he gets away with everything even though he continually shoots his mouth off (as illustrated above). The way he keeps playing the system.

I want nothing more than this arrogant punk to get what's coming to him.

 

[suzihawk]

Thanks so much, Otto!

It really does seem to be that he's admitting everything! I suppose a retraction is in the works!! However, I did notice that his cocky smile was gone during this clip. Could it be that reality is finally setting in??!!?? :waitasec:

I wonder now what the TV show can possibly show for 90 minutes, unless they use a lot of old footage. It can't possibly be an entire 90 min. for the interview!!??!!??

I doubt it. I've seen this from him before. He can appear most sincere and charming at times - when he needs to. Just like a true sociopath. Mama was right - he should have been an actor.

 

[otto]

Thanks so much, Otto!

It really does seem to be that he's admitting everything! I suppose a retraction is in the works!! However, I did notice that his cocky smile was gone during this clip. Could it be that reality is finally setting in??!!?? :waitasec:

I wonder now what the TV show can possibly show for 90 minutes, unless they use a lot of old footage. It can't possibly be an entire 90 min. for the interview!!??!!??

The fact the Joran is blaming the victim for his decision to extort money is typical of his behavior for years. He claims that he was getting back at the family for making his life difficult, yet he doesn't seem to realize (or at least he doesn't acknowledge) that all his false confessions and mind games have tormented the Holloway family for those same 5 years. He chose to stay in the public eye, make false confessions, toy with investigators and media ... all of which would have given the family hope ... rather than put his nose in the books and move forward with his life. Now he says that he decided to extort money to get back at the family ... for what, for hoping that he would help the family locate their daughter? He blamed Stephany for murdering her, claiming that her viewing his computer (which I don't believe) made him murder her. He's sick in the head, like his mom said.

 

[georger]

The fact the Joran is blaming the victim for his decision to extort money is typical of his behavior for years. He claims that he was getting back at the family for making his life difficult, yet he doesn't seem to realize (or at least he doesn't acknowledge) that all his false confessions and mind games have tormented the Holloway family for those same 5 years. He chose to stay in the public eye, make false confessions, toy with investigators and media ... all of which would have given the family hope ... rather than put his nose in the books and move forward with his life. Now he says that he decided to extort money to get back at the family ... for what, for hoping that he would help the family locate their daughter? He blamed Stephany for murdering her, claiming that her viewing his computer (which I don't believe) made him murder her. He's sick in the head, like his mom said.

It always goes back to where it started: liars, lies, and lies on top of lies.
Then the media steps in trying to examine and explain lies, with more lies
generated in the process.

Joran and his fellow prisoners understand it. They seem to be the only people connected to pure reality, who know it is all lies. Their arguement is: it all means nothing and predators are really just nice guys and should be allowed to do their killingwork, since there are no victims -
only people killing themselves!. To hear Joran tell it, he is only doing a valuable service
and Nature's work. Joran expects and demands exemption. And Im sorry to say this but, the
pure fact is there is something in Joran's cultural background which is saying: This is the way things really are ... as a rule of Nature. Joran actually expected to be let go and sent back
to the Netherlands to kill again. Joran is promoting a World View! :waitasec:

 

[otto]

Thanks so much, Otto!

It really does seem to be that he's admitting everything! I suppose a retraction is in the works!! However, I did notice that his cocky smile was gone during this clip. Could it be that reality is finally setting in??!!?? :waitasec:

I wonder now what the TV show can possibly show for 90 minutes, unless they use a lot of old footage. It can't possibly be an entire 90 min. for the interview!!??!!??

I'm guessing the interview will include a segment with Joran's lawyer. He's a former police officer, and claimed in a recent article that prisoners are manipulated in order to extract a confession. That happens everywhere, so I don't see that as a big problem. The lawyer considers the confession to be an obstacle, but believes he may be able to have the sentence reduced to as low a 5 years. If the trial is delayed by 3 years, there's a possibility that Joran will have to be released - although I'm not clear on that.

 

[panthera]

Here's a US publication about the same Dutch TV show. It really doesn't give any more details about the show....but it does confirm that the 3-judge panel has not yet made any ruling on his confession!!! :banghead:

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localn...iewed-on-Dutch-TV/qXNeNz_dtEC6DbU1XazYsA.cspx

OMG - I'm gone a couple of days only to return and find Joran putting himself in the news again. When will it ever end? :banghead:

 

[panthera]

I'm becoming so disgusted that I'm almost ready to stop reading any more news about this jolly sporter!!! :furious: :furious:

This article says that, being the nice guy that he is, Joran's found his 'niche' in Castro Castro....teaching English to the prison guards.

It also states that he may soon be moved to the general population, but in a special unit for foreign prisoners, which apparently is where his buddy Ospina, the assassin, is now housed. He's asked to be moved to the same section as Ospina...but I bet it's less out of friendship and more for protection!!!

http://translate.google.com/transla...joran-van-sloot-geeft-engelse-les-in-cel.html

Oh I knew he wouldn't be able to be away from his BFF, Ospina, for too long. This is almost laughable. He needs to be transferred to Lurigancho soon so he'd have more to worry about than media interviews and giving English lessons to other inmates. MOO

 

[otto]

It always goes back to where it started: liars, lies, and lies on top of lies.
Then the media steps in trying to examine and explain lies, with more lies
generated in the process.

Joran and his fellow prisoners understand it. They seem to be the only people connected to pure reality, who know it is all lies. Their arguement is: it all means nothing and predators are really just nice guys and should be allowed to do their killingwork, since there are no victims -
only people killing themselves!. To hear Joran tell it, he is only doing a valuable service
and Nature's work. Joran expects and demands exemption. And Im sorry to say this but, the
pure fact is there is something in Joran's cultural background which is saying: This is the way things really are ... as a rule of Nature. Joran actually expected to be let go and sent back
to the Netherlands to kill again. Joran is promoting a World View! :waitasec:

I wouldn't be surprised if Joran developed a skewed perception of law, justice, and prosecution ... not by design, but simply because he didn't take the time to fully appreciate his father's career. I suspect he understands crime and punishment as a series of legal maneuvers, where innocence and guilt are dependent on the best legal argument rather than right and wrong.

His last 5 years have been a continuum of toying with investigators. He admits guilt - and then plays with their heads using legal mumbo jumbo, claiming he was high on pot, or seeking revenge because he perceives that someone made his life difficult.

He probably thought the murder of Stephany, exactly 5 years to the day after the disappearance of Natalee, as some sort of coup de grâce where he would finally put it all behind him ... most likely with that cocky assumption that he was above the law, could sneak out of the country, and be protected by international extradition laws. I think he fully expected that Stephany would not be noticed missing for some time, that parking her vehicle in the slums would lead to a local suspect, that he could travel to Chile, and that he could return to Aruba free and clear. I don't think he expected for a moment that he was be expelled to Peru, instead expecting that he'd be extradited to Aruba or the Netherlands, and become untouchable. If Stephany had not come from a prominent family, Joran's assumptions would most likely have been correct. If Joran had not been spooked by the police at the airport in Lima, he would have been free and clear.

 

[panthera]

I wouldn't be surprised if Joran developed a skewed perception of law, justice, and prosecution ... not by design, but simply because he didn't take the time to fully appreciate his father's career. I suspect he understands crime and punishment as a series of legal maneuvers, where innocence and guilt are dependent on the best legal argument rather than right and wrong.

His last 5 years have been a continuum of toying with investigators. He admits guilt - and then plays with their heads using legal mumbo jumbo, claiming he was high on pot, or seeking revenge because he perceives that someone made his life difficult.

He probably thought the murder of Stephany, exactly 5 years to the day after the disappearance of Natalee, as some sort of coup de grâce where he would finally put it all behind him ... most likely with that cocky assumption that he was above the law, could sneak out of the country, and be protected by international extradition laws. I think he fully expected that Stephany would not be noticed missing for some time, that parking her vehicle in the slums would lead to a local suspect, that he could travel to Chile, and that he could return to Aruba free and clear. I don't think he expected for a moment that he was be expelled to Peru, instead expecting that he'd be extradited to Aruba or the Netherlands, and become untouchable. If Stephany had not come from a prominent family, Joran's assumptions would most likely have been correct. If Joran had not been spooked by the police at the airport in Lima, he would have been free and clear.

In addition, however, her body was in his hotel room and there were very good video cameras right outside the door. I believe he knew he was in trouble when he left the hotel and it was only a matter of time until he was caught. And this time his father wasn't there to help him out.......MOO

 

[otto]

In addition, however, her body was in his hotel room and there were very good video cameras right outside the door. I believe he knew he was in trouble when he left the hotel and it was only a matter of time until he was caught. And this time his father wasn't there to help him out.......MOO

I'm not convinced that he was aware of the camera, as the story he told to Chilean authorities suggests he did not know that there was footage documenting every move he made at the hotel. Other than explaining the law, I doubt Paul did anything for Joran. Any child involved in criminal activity that has a father in prosecution would have the same benefit ... someone to explain and interpret the law, and give excellent advice.

 

[panthera]

I'm not convinced that he was aware of the camera, as the story he told to Chilean authorities suggests he did not know that there was footage documenting every move he made at the hotel. Other than explaining the law, I doubt Paul did anything for Joran. Any child involved in criminal activity that has a father in prosecution would have the same benefit ... someone to explain and interpret the law, and give excellent advice.

I don't believe he was aware of the camera, however, he had to know whoever found Stephany's body, it would be tied back to him having stayed in that hotel room. If he weren't afraid of being caught, seeing LE at the Lima airport wouldn't have spooked him, i.e. he knew......MOO