Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #5

[Melanie]

Thank you for posting. And of course you have your own view of someone you know and care about. Speaking for myself only, I don't "blame" the mother for what the grown son has done. But all parents have a choice when a child is arrested for a serious crime that he has committed: believe the child's denials and protestations, get the best attorney, and fight to keep the child out of prison; or recognize that terrible acts have consequences and encourage the child to confess and make the best deal possible. Joran's mother choose the former. She and her husband also stood by while Arubans and their supporters in the media and on the internet trashed the victim's family, particularly Beth Holloway Twitty. Joran's mother has paid a terrible price for raising a psychopath. But her first reaction is to be shocked that he killed again? Most of us are only shocked that he was so brazen and so easily caught. Her reaction suggests that she still doesn't see her boy very clearly. It's sad, but not nearly as sad as what Natalee's family and friends have endured, or what Stephany's family is enduring, or what these two lovely girls endured at Joran's hands.

I have to agree. Not to get OT -- but as it relates to this case, Jeffrey Dahmer's parents were nice too. If anyone has, or has a chance, there's a good movie on hulu.com called "Raising Jeffrey Dahmer".

http://www.hulu.com/search?query=Raising+Jeffrey+Dahmer&st=0

Both parents saw the signs, the animal killings, the drugs, and said "oh, he's just a teen testing his boundaries. HELLO. If my son were doing any of those things, I'd go to the ends of the earth to help him. But then again, is there a cure for a psychopath.

I do blame, in part, the parents here. The father enabled him immensly (JVS) and the mother with her unfaltering support and kisses. If my son was accused with murder, you'd have to pry me off of him -- I wouldn't be kissing him.

Sorry - just my opinion and not meant to hurt feelings.

Mel

 

[costalpilot]

I too am not comfortable with this but the sarcastic part of me wants to say that he should have picked another country to commit his crime.

I watched as Joran was bought to the border and imagined how difficult it will be to get a fair trial in a country where the victim's father is so well connected. He is a gringo in a latin country and all sorts of gross speculation is circulating the media. First he stabbed her or he viciously beat her with a bat. By the time the real truth comes out it will be too late. It could have been an argument gone bad. But because of what happened with NH it's hard to give this guy a fair chance. As an American we want eveyone to have a fair trial even if they are creeps and predators. It doesn't look like this is going to happen for Joran.

oh I'd say he is going to get pretty much what he deserves.

 

[Tadpole12]

JVS want lawyer and interpreter....

Sunday June 6, 2010 - 1:17 pm

http://translate.google.ca/translat...Q7gEwAA&prev=/search?q=el+comercio+peru&hl=en


The interrogations continue with the presence of a prosecutor.



The Dutchman citizen Joran van der Sloot Andreas is currently in the dungeons of the National Police Dirincri.

El principal sospechoso del asesinato de Stephany Flores (21) estará por siete días más en la sede policial para seguir siendo interrogado por una semana más con los agentes policiales, según lo estableció el juez de turno permanente Rómulo Chira Cabezas.​

The main suspect in the murder of Stephany Flores (21) will be for seven days in the police headquarters to continue being questioned by another week, police officers, as it established the permanent presiding judge Romulo Chira Cabezas.

​

 

[swa]

I don't feel sorry for this guy at all. IMO he is a serial killer. His age has nothing to do with it; JVDS is a psychopath and has exhibited increasingly heinous behaviors. Crazy means someone doesn't know right from wrong...this guy knew the difference, absolutely. He's not crazy; he's evil.

His parents coddled him and protected him and he has caused immeasurable pain and suffering to multiple families.

The fact that he chose to commit this murder in a country that has one of the toughest jail systems is too bad; it was his choice. This guy is an example of the worst of the worst: a stalker, a pimp, a rapist, an extortionist, and a sociopath with no remorse. He said (on tape with Peter Devries) he doesn't lose one night of sleep over Natalee Holloway's death. Think about that the next time you (any of you) start to feel sorry for this

He's a grown man, a 6' 5" bully, and at least a double-murderer.

I don't believe he is a serial killer. I've always believed that Natalie was drugged and unfortunately had a negative reaction to it with the combination of alcohol in her system (death).

He is a manipulator of women. I'm assuming he is probably asking to speak to his mommy right now so he can tell her he is innocent so she can make the rounds on what a great boy he is.

 

[panthera]

Maybe he told her he needed to go back to his room to get more money and would she go with him? Once there - he wouldn't want her to wait somewhere (of course, its not safe) and to just "run up to the room" with him and get the money.

I am still very insterested in how he got her to go to his room. Her family and friends have also said that she would have never gone with any man to his hotel room.

I wish we could get something accurate ~ meaning a non-translated version ~ on just how long they'd known each other. Some things I've read have implied they had met several days earlier. And if that is true, maybe she felt comfortable enough to at least accompany him to the room if the ruse was for him to pick up some more money to go back to the casino. The one statement that came out a couple of days ago about them going to the room to "celebrate her winnings" I don't buy at all given what has been said about her reluctance to go to hotel rooms and/or what would be her lack of interest in a 'relationship' with him. MOO

 

[Solomisskitty]

I don't feel sorry for Joran at all, but I do not blame his parents for his upbringing, being it right or wrong. I do blame the parents for any direct involvement in any heinous crime Joran or the parents committed, yes. But Joran is a grown man, reponsible for the type of man he is, responsible for himself and and responsible for his own actions, not mommy or daddy. MOO

 

[CharlestonGal]

Perhaps someone already brought this up, but it was stated in an unconfirmed report, that Stephany texted one of her friends.

"~ She had dropped two girlfriends off at their homes several hours earlier. El Comercio, citing a police report, said she sent a text message to one to tell her she was "walking up the stairs to my bedroom." ~"

http://www.newstimes.com/news/article/Moist-eyed-Dutch-murder-suspect-interrogated-512641.php

Isn't it possible, if this were true, that it was actually Joran doing the texting? Of course the time stamp on this alleged message would make all the difference in the world and perhaps Stephany did send this message, but just putting this out there for what it's worth.

bbm. That could actually be true. She may have sent that text before the fight with her father and deciding to leave the house again instead of going to bed.

 

[Nancy2441]

I don't believe he is a serial killer. I've always believed that Natalie was drugged and unfortunately had a negative reaction to it with the combination of alcohol in her system (death).

He is a manipulator of women. I'm assuming he is probably asking to speak to his mommy right now so he can tell her he is innocent so she can make the rounds on what a great boy he is.

I absolutely believe Joran is a serial killer. I don't believe Natalie Holloway's death was an accident either. I believe he murdered her. Period. I also don't believe that these two girls are his only victims. I think LE really needs to investigate all the places Joran traveled to.

 

[Solomisskitty]

I wish we could get something accurate ~ meaning a non-translated version ~ on just how long they'd known each other. Some things I've read have implied they had met several days earlier. And if that is true, maybe she felt comfortable enough to at least accompany him to the room if the ruse was for him to pick up some more money to go back to the casino. The one statement that came out a couple of days ago about them going to the room to "celebrate her winnings" I don't buy at all given what has been said about her reluctance to go to hotel rooms and/or what would be her lack of interest in a 'relationship' with him. MOO

I don't buy the "let's celebrate your winnings" either. If they met several days earlier and been to the hostel together previously, then that would explain their behavior as they entered the room. It looked almost as if she had been there before.

 

[nervous_nellie]

gvs special on fox now...

 

[costalpilot]

.......Joran did not have the presence of mind to know that he was being videotaped so why did he look so damn calm after killing someone? Even if you are a cold blooded killer you would still look nervous and then when you get to the front desk you would hide it. ........

i am not a serious websleuth like many here but i think even I know enough to know that this is specious rhetoric.

how would you know FV how a serial killer portrays himself after committing another murder?

 

[panthera]

gvs special on fox now...

Is it the same one as last night where she's interviewing him a few years ago?

 

[nervous_nellie]

Is it the same one as last night where she's interviewing him a few years ago?

yep...i think, i didnt catch it last night due to the tornado's here so this is all just old stuff??

 

[hollyblue]

Thank you so much for posting these pics! It appears to be a little red change purse among the items spread out there. It looks as if there is a necklace there also.

Wonder if the tan item is Stephany's day planner or wallet with her credit cards and so forth? Man, if it is, he is more that just screwed!

I honestly believe that Joran thought he really could get away with this!

JMO

I thought that too about the red change purse, but it is the logo of the video--background red circle.

 

[panthera]

yep...i think, i didnt catch it last night due to the tornado's here so this is all just old stuff??

Sorry, I'm watching something else right now and didn't want to change the channel to look ~ but what she showed last night was her old interviews with JVDS and didn't say anything about the new charges until the last minute of her show. Just an FYI!

 

[suzet]

I would say that it's at least possible J's mother is not enabling him as she has had no contact with him since his father's death, per reports. We don't know J's mother and have no idea how she's reacted to his actions in the past behind closed doors. Maybe they've sought help for him. Just maybe or maybe not. But really, we have no idea and I think the blame should lay squarely in J's lap.

Suzet, I'm not singling you out at all. I realize with monsters like J, it's human nature to ask ourselves..."where were the parents in all of this". Just figured including my thoughts here are the most appropriate place for context of where they originated.

Thank you for your point of view. I appreciate it. Just for the record, though, I was not saying Anita was enabling Joran during his most recent murder case in Peru. Imo, there has not been enough time for her to do so and I'm not trying to be funny. I was referring to the way, as another poster pointed out, Anita portrayed herself during the Holloway case.

That said, I will just add that as far as this case, imo, if the strongest indicator of future behavior is past behavior, then that, coupled with Anita's recent statement to the press that Joran had "certainly not" admitted to murdering Flores, (link below), just made me think, oh God, here we go again.

I do not know Anita personally. The majority of us do not. In the beginning, I actually thought she was a better person than her husband in all this, but that opinion changed as the case went on. I was incensed by her insensitive treatment of Natalee's mother, Beth. To me, that spoke volumes of Anita's character.

I do not blame Anita for all the crimes her son committed. I will once again state that while the blame lies with him, Anita has not shown any signs of encouraging him to do the right thing, not in public anyway. It seems she has given his lies her stamp of approval.

I also wanted to point out that I never said that he turned out the way he did because of the parents. It must have been pretty obvious Joran had problems, but instead of doing something to stop him, or keep an eye on him, at seventeen years old, he was allegedly given a $50,000 spending account for the local casino in Aruba??? Is this really helping an out of control teenager?

While Joran is solely to blame for his crimes, people that fail to do whatever they can to stop the dangerous family member or friend, and in fact cover for them and defend their lies, are not completely innocent either.

Only time will tell how Anita will handle Joran's involvement in Stephany's murder. I would certainly hope she will not give him a basket of hugs and kisses while supporting his lies this time, once again. I hope for everyone's sake Anita will encourage her son to tell the truth but I frankly do not ever see that happening. I pray I'm wrong.

http://www.aolnews.com/crime/articl...earance-is-linked-to-another-killing/19504567

 

[marmar]

Thank you for posting. And of course you have your own view of someone you know and care about. Speaking for myself only, I don't "blame" the mother for what the grown son has done. But all parents have a choice when a child is arrested for a serious crime that he has committed: believe the child's denials and protestations, get the best attorney, and fight to keep the child out of prison; or recognize that terrible acts have consequences and encourage the child to confess and make the best deal possible. Joran's mother choose the former. She and her husband also stood by while Arubans and their supporters in the media and on the internet trashed the victim's family, particularly Beth Holloway Twitty. Joran's mother has paid a terrible price for raising a psychopath. But her first reaction is to be shocked that he killed again? Most of us are only shocked that he was so brazen and so easily caught. Her reaction suggests that she still doesn't see her boy very clearly. It's sad, but not nearly as sad as what Natalee's family and friends have endured, or what Stephany's family is enduring, or what these two lovely girls endured at Joran's hands.

I don't blame her either. Obviously she has no control over what he does, but it's really sad when you see both of these old interviews. I think at the time of these interviews, she was in some serious denial of what her son was capable of.

Transcript from June 23, 2005
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html

and

Video interview from GMA at the top of Page 24 from 2006 (I think)
http://nataleehollowaycase.com/chapter17.php?blog=30&order=ASC&posts=1&page=1&paged=24

 

[la_cavalière]

I am flabbergasted at the way Joran has parlayed Natalee's disappearance into cold cash by peddling various versions of his "story" to Greta and the other journalists -- and finally even to Natalee's mother. He even sold out his father, teacher and friends (D & S). This guy is unbelievably brazen and has zero conscience.

 

[costalpilot]

thanks for posting that fox was running something...this is an interview wher JVS has come up with this story about selling Natalie.

what a crock it is...at least Great is grilling him and not playing the dope.

but WHAT A CROCK

go PerU

 

[butterfly7]

Sorry, if this has been covered. However, is it possible the orangy red color was not to disguise appearance, but possibly any DNA that might be found on head. Bleach, peroxide or something to do it with?