Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #9

[~PrinceSSa~]

What baffles me is the fact that Joran 'forgot' to pay for the two days owing in rent before he left for good. If he was to carry out her body in the duffelbag like it was reported but he was afraid that the girl at the reception would have stopped him and ask for the money.
IF he robbed Stephany of all her winnings & cash, would he not have enough money to pay for the two days so he wouldn't get questioned.

I am anxiously waiting to see the missing parts of the videos and what he did or didn't transport to and from his hotelroom during the 'coffeerun'

 

[RR0004]

I do find it a bit surprising that the FBI turned over so much money to Joran without having a tighter control of the situation.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

 

[elainebenice]

I'm not one of those on the bandwagon that the sting operation was even remotely responsible for Stephany's death although I respect the difference of opinion. I also respect your opinion that minority crime victims don't get the same attention. However, here's my take on it: the FBI does not have jurisdiction in every crime that occurs. Unless a crime is obviously within their jurisdiction they do not become involved unless asked to by local LE. The day following Halleigh's disappearance the FBI had 16 officers involved in the search--at a cost which had to exceed $25,000. Ditto Adji Desir--the FBI has always been involved in that case. The FBI is also offering rewards in both of those cases. I guess my point is, they do spend the resources and money on the cases in which they are involved.

I totally agree and another thing we need to keep in mind is that the FBI, DEA and other LE agencies seize millions of $$ each year from criminals. This is where a lot of the money that is used to conduct all types of sting/undercover/LE operations comes from, so its not necessarily (or IMO usually) $$ that should have been used for some other purpose or was ever earmarked/budgeted for other uses. Unfortunately, the nature of the beast when dealing with criminals requires LE to sometimes, at least appear, to operate just like the criminals themselves. We may not like the idea of this, but it is what it is.

Also, I've never been a judge like our esteemed colleague SoCalSleuth, but I am a regular old run of the mill attorney who in theory at least has substantial legal knowledge and would like to follow up on cases where the FBI has jurisdiction. Now, SoCalSleuth, certainly correct me if I am wrong in this post or in any post actually, but what establishes the FBI's jurisdiction in a case isn't just 1 thing, it is a combination of several things including geographical location, the alleged crime commited, the alleged parties involved in the crime and in cases where its a financial crime, there will be a minimum $$ amount that must be met before the FBI becomes involved. That's a super oversimplification (I wish civ pro was that simple), but I think its an important thing to understand.

 

[rotterdam]

What baffles me is the fact that Joran 'forgot' to pay for the two days owing in rent before he left for good. If he was to carry out her body in the duffelbag like it was reported but he was afraid that the girl at the reception would have stopped him and ask for the money.
IF he robbed Stephany of all her winnings & cash, would he not have enough money to pay for the two days so he wouldn't get questioned.

I am anxiously waiting to see the missing parts of the videos and what he did or didn't transport to and from his hotelroom during the 'coffeerun'

Yeah, makes no sense to me since he planning to leave anyway. Besides the girl at the reception does not have x ray eyes and would not know if he left with or without Stephany in the duffelbag.

 

[i.b.nora]

FBI Official Responds to Blackmail Sting Criticism
June 9, 2010 4:42 PM
by Edecio Martinez, Barry Leibowitz

NEW YORK (CBS) The FBI is defending its failure to arrest murder suspect Joran van der Sloot on extortion charges in the Natalee Holloway case, saying they were getting closer to making a murder arrest in that case, and didn't want to blow the investigation.

 

[suzihawk]

Which brings me to our earlier thoughts about a possible correspondence from the "sting operation" indicating "we are not sending you anymore money, etc., etc." We know the rest of our thoughts.

Ehh... not sure I go that far with the theory. My thought is they (FBI) was still trying to build and solidify their case. So why would they spill their guts to JVDS to say 'game's over' in that case? JVDS may have smelled a rat, however, and come to that conclusion himself. JMO and all that.

ETA: Posted before I read the post above.

 

[Kamille]

Suzihawk that is true that the general public did not know about the extortion.But the news not being released to the general public does not mean that Joran did not have info about contacting Beth for the money, and other things on his computer that may have alerted Stephany that he was trying to extort or scam her for her money.

That's my thought on this whole thing too. What he supposedly told the Chilean police in that last article is very interesting. He told them that she was offering to help him to play poker, she told him her father was wealthy and she told him that she was not "into guys". She supposedly told him all this while they were at the casino that night.

I think he befriended her to scam money out of her and she was going to "help him out" financially...as a friend and a poker playing buddy. They may just have gone back to the hotel to hang out because the casino tables closed. Perhaps they were planning to figure out a way to get into the big million dollar poker tournament on the 14th. They both seemed to have a love of the game in common.

There could certainly be some truth in the fact that she learned his identity on his computer while he was out getting coffee and realized she was being scammed. The fact that it was the anniversary of Natalee's death would probably have shown up on any home page she may have gone to along with his picture. Or on any early morning news program had she turned on the tv. Doesn't sound like she would have had a lot of time to really explore his computer. Maybe she did see some extortion info in his emails.

I'm not sure she would have even realized the danger she was in and perhaps decided to confront him on his return. With the Natalee case dogging him for the past 5 years and with him probably being totally aware of the date and the fact that he couldn't even pay for his hotel room and he was flat broke with no where else to turn at that point, I'm sure any mention of her name or that case would have set him off. I'm sure he blamed his sorry situation (in his mind) on Natalee at that point and now here she was screwing up his extortion attempt on SF. I think he took out all that anger and rage on SF just for bringing it up. MOO

 

[frenchvixen]

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JVS is the only one in this case that caused the death of another. For anyone to blame the FBI is just nonsense. They were working on trying to get JVS arrested and off the streets. Unfortunately, JVS ran off and murdered this girl before they could finish their plan.

And how was the FBI going to arrest him on foreign soil? Basically if it's a conditionality. If condition A (FBI paying him 25K) did not happen then condition B (him killing Stephany) would not have. I did not say that FBI killed her. I said that they little payola to him caused him to go to Peru and kill someone.

 

[minazoe]

maybe she was in the bathroom and he went into her purse for rent money...and she caught him stealing her money.

 

[Columbo]

AND, there are still two other younger brothers of Joran to raise. I hope the biggest lesson they learn from their brother's life is that actions have consequences.

One can only hope ! The only way they'll learn that actions have consequences is if Joran actually gets punished for what he did! (not counting being in custody, etc, as punishment). So far he's lied his way out of everything, and that's what they have seen.

 

[~PrinceSSa~]

It is also quite possible that Stephany saw photos of Natalee on Jorans computer. Perhaps incriminating photos <?>

 

[KR2tonenow]

FBI Official Responds to Blackmail Sting Criticism<snipped>

The FBI official adds that the Arubans couldn't stop him from leaving the country, and neither could the FBI because "it's not our country and he isn't a US citizen."
"We believe it was a very logical investigation," the senior official told CBS News. <snipped>

This makes sense to me!

 

[Sarahlou]

Thanks Saralou, Do you have a linkipoo?

I'm not sure if this will work but here's the link to the image of the cover. http://i47.tinypic.com/2cf9w1i.jpg

 

[RR0004]

FBI Official Responds to Blackmail Sting Criticism
June 9, 2010 4:42 PM
by Edecio Martinez, Barry Leibowitz

NEW YORK (CBS) The FBI is defending its failure to arrest murder suspect Joran van der Sloot on extortion charges in the Natalee Holloway case, saying they were getting closer to making a murder arrest in that case, and didn't want to blow the investigation.

Sounds like they, too, expected him to tell the truth.

 

[~PrinceSSa~]

I'm not sure if this will work but here's the link to the image of the cover. http://i47.tinypic.com/2cf9w1i.jpg

UGH!!! :furious:

 

[2curious]

Has anyone heard anymore about the 2 missing girls in Colombia? Last night I heard that this could be related to van der Sloot also. I have read through this thead and couldn't find anything new on this.
I did find this:

Police in Colombia are investigating whether Dutch national Johan van der Sloot was involved in the disappearance of two girls in Bogotá
http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/colombia-police-investigate-van-der-sloot-over-missing-girls

 

[suzihawk]

I'm not one of those on the bandwagon that the sting operation was even remotely responsible for Stephany's death although I respect the difference of opinion. I also respect your opinion that minority crime victims don't get the same attention. However, here's my take on it: the FBI does not have jurisdiction in every crime that occurs. Unless a crime is obviously within their jurisdiction they do not become involved unless asked to by local LE. The day following Halleigh's disappearance the FBI had 16 officers involved in the search--at a cost which had to exceed $25,000. Ditto Adji Desir--the FBI has always been involved in that case. The FBI is also offering rewards in both of those cases. I guess my point is, they do spend the resources and money on the cases in which they are involved.

Not to mention it was JVDS that provided the FBI with the opportunity to sting him. HE was the one requesting the funds - not the other way around, if I understand it correctly. They may have viewed it as a missed opportunity had they not followed through.

 

[21merc7]

I'm not sure if this will work but here's the link to the image of the cover. http://i47.tinypic.com/2cf9w1i.jpg

Thank you Sarahlou, I couldn't find it.

Hope you post often, and

WELCOME TO WS!!!

 

[legalmania]

Exactly, like a movie as is in this case. The FBI aren't supermen, and they do not have jurisdiction in Aruba unfortunately!

But the deal originated in Alabama, so that is where the jurisdiction will stay.

 

[LilJoePinto]

Respectfully snipped from the link posted by Marmar on the last page...

There were two coffee cups with which he bought because he said he planned to have breakfast with the unfortunate girl, who had met the day before (May 29) at home games.

"I was going to use one of my bags to get the body of the hotel. I did not because I feared that I stopped by to leave with my luggage without paying, "said the boy in 21 years, he told a detective linked to the investigation.

He was bankrupt, had lost almost all his money playing poker since 14 May last, when he came to Lima from Colombia. So stay owed services, said another agent.

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This scenario would tie in nicely with the translated news report Mohabi provided for us yesterday (#15 in the translation thread).

Joran buys two cups of coffee and biscotti's at the mini-mart @ 8:00 am. Returns to TAC room 309. Snaps and kills Stephany, drinks coffee and eats while he thinks about how to get her body out of the hotel. Realizes the front desk will stop him on way out because he owes 2 days past. Did the front desk mention this to him when he returned with coffee?

After he kills Stephany, he steals her money and goes down again to front desk @ 8:25 to pay for late days. Returns to room to pack, shower, shave and then flees leaving Stephany's body on the floor @ 8:45. His brown duffle bag did not look nearly large enough for a body to fit. Plus, I don't think he wanted to leave the impression with the front desk that he was leaving for good, hence his comment "don't bother my girl!"

I think this is a possible scenario.

Where is this info coming from that he paid for late days? All the legitimate US news sources have reported directly from the police report that was leaked on Monday that the reason the body was discovered at all was because it was realized by the receptionist that he had not yet paid for two days but hadn't checked out and still had the room key. So, she went to his room and knocked to find out what was going on, heard the tv blaring, no one answered her knocking, so she assumed he was asleep and went back to work. An hour later the hotel supervisor told the receptionist to use the spare key to enter his room since he had not paid for the two days and it was assumed he was in there. This was the employee who entered the room and found Stephany's body, and it was because those two days were NOT payed for while the hotel assumed he was still using the room that was the whole reason his room was entered and Stephany's body was discoverd.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/08/peru.murder.case/index.html
"About an hour later, according to the police report, the receptionist noticed that van der Sloot owed money for two nights and went up to his room, where her knocks went unanswered. The television was blaring, so the hotel employee figured he was resting, the report says.

Afterward, the hotel supervisor told the employee to go back to van der Sloot's room and enter using a spare key. When the employee went in, she found Flores' body on the floor, dressed in a black T-shirt and red panties, half-covered with a piece of white clothing, the police report said."