Mygirlsadie said:Was it ever said yet where in Germany he worked? Was it a German school or an American school in Germany? I went to school (american) in Germany from 1989-1993.
otto said:What is an insult to one's intelligence? That the Ramsays murdered their own child? Other than the fact that after 3 extensive independent investigations there is no evidence, there's nothing wrong with having suspicions ... but it's odd to have suspicions without evidence. I don't mean "people kill their offspring and stuff feces in their mouths as they lay dying" odd, I just mean wing nuts.
In most cases that a child is murderered it is random and until you provide links to your stats, mine are equally valid.
The grate had been moved. There was evidence of that. The window is big enough for anyone to climb through. There is also information that the window was open. Initially there was concern that there were no footprints in the snow until it was realized that there was no snow on that part of the yard.
"Economists, physicists etcetera disagree with one another so it's no surprise that detectives disagree?" No connection. Economists and physicists are using mathematics as their foundation, detectives are not even in the same league.
There is NO forensic evidence, other than the degraded dna, that links the death of JonBenet to an intruder.but it's odd to have suspicions without evidence.
tumble said:why is the public so protective of him if not to justify their persecution of the Ramsays
They are not protective over him. They want to jail him for what he has done, but not for something he didn't do.
tumble said:Where does this no evidence notion come from. Just because evidence has not been put forward at a trial does not mean it is not evidence.
There are a huge amount of circumstancial evidence together with fiber&hair evidence.
There are thousands of post on just this forum that discusses the evidence. Why don't you just enter those posts and refute them?
Cyndi said:Exactly. Its not about being protective of him. I think it's pretty obvious Karr is mentally unstable and has an unnatural obsession with little girls. BUT so far we've not heard anything about him actually harming any of these children. As far as I can see (so far at least) he needs help. Not to be jailed on death row for a crime he didnt commit. I actually feel a bit sorry for him - to feel the need to go to such extremeties for attention, it seems like a cry for help. I will be the first to eat crow pie if I am wrong in my impressions of him.
You would think that if he had molested any kids in his previous employments we would have heard something by now.....
Just my opinion - like it or lump it :blushing:
UKGuy said:otto,
There is NO forensic evidence, other than the degraded dna, that links the death of JonBenet to an intruder.
There are many items of forensic evidence that link the parents directly to the crime-scene AND JonBenet's corpse.
So it would be odd indeed to give priority to an intruder theory when there is next to no supporting evidence!
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otto said:Since we're not being protective of John Mark Karr, could we stop pampering him during airflight? We agree the guy is a freak yet law enforcement gives him an all inclusive (you know, free drinks) business ticket? because they want him to talk but they know that anything he says drunk is inadmissable.
otto said:OK - so I agreed with your frustration over this, however it WAS LE that organised his ticket, not him.... He was obviosouly just making the most of it.
Are we splitting hairs because little boys are crying about something wrong with the way that Karr is relating to young boys and girls (especially) in early childhood education? I suppose this guy shouldn't be jailed but could he be considered a dangerous offender.
Definately he needs to be investigated around his kiddie crimes and allegations - no doubt about it.
It's a relief to see that people still maintain humanity and compassion for pedophiles but the Ramsays are not pedophiles and they are not reviled. What was it they did again? Didn't know if they left the door open or stuffed feces in their child's dying face?
Yes, I am sympathetic to people with genunie mental illnesses, it has nothing to do with them being a pedofile (sp?). It's about people that are so unstable they dont know the difference between right and wrong...
What did the Ramseys do?
Where do I start? First and foremost they didnt cooperate with LE, they planned to flee the scene when JBR's body was found, they lawered up instantly, refused Lie detectors - the list is endless and it is very very hard to try and imagine innocent people doing these things. That's not even mentioning the physical evidence tying Patsy to their daughters murder. These are all things that I cannot just overlook now that we finally have a suspect...
If John Karr molested children in Europe, I doubt anyone will stigmatize their children with an association with him so if he did it, no one is talking. Perhaps they too should be prosecuted as accompices to crime if they don't report child abuse. Let's get em all. Ramsays and anyone that sympathizes with a leniant sentence for convicted pedophiles.
tumble said:Just because people on forums are debating whether someone is telling the truth, it doesn't mean that there is evidence
Agree. It is just uncommon for innocent people to lie.
The fibre evidence on the rope ... where did the rope come from? Was it brought into the house or found? Fibre evidence on the clothes worn by the children ??? Is that the circumstantial evidence?
As I said, there are many threads on this forum discussing these things.
If you want to learn something about this case I suggest you read some of them. Then try to interprete them yourself and see were that leads you. What have you based your oppinion on?
otto said:Oh dear ... I hope we're not going to start calling Ramsay a liar and then saying that because he lied, he must be guilty of murder or knowing of murder. I would really like for this to be solved because if you ask me, Patsy died knowing that she was suspected of matricide and that's not a good way to go, if you are innocent. Does anyone really enjoy the thought of the Ramsays suffering, knowing that there is no proof?
PS: I can't possibly read through 10 years of threads ... or ... maybe a lot less ... but I have to pick and chose what to read and it's never going to be 10 years of debates that are quickly settled by listening to experts.
PPS: I'm beginning to think that Law Enforcement, the wine and dine guys, are incredibly retarded. At least the Arubans were not trying to get the guy drunk. What is that???
otto said:Oh dear ... I hope we're not going to start calling Ramsay a liar and then saying that because he lied, he must be guilty of murder or knowing of murder. I would really like for this to be solved because if you ask me, Patsy died knowing that she was suspected of matricide and that's not a good way to go, if you are innocent. Does anyone really enjoy the thought of the Ramsays suffering, knowing that there is no proof?
PS: I can't possibly read through 10 years of threads ... or ... maybe a lot less ... but I have to pick and chose what to read and it's never going to be 10 years of debates that are quickly settled by listening to experts.
PPS: I'm beginning to think that Law Enforcement, the wine and dine guys, are incredibly retarded. At least the Arubans were not trying to get the guy drunk. What is that???
otto said:It's a relief to see that people still maintain humanity and compassion for pedophiles but the Ramsays are not pedophiles and they are not reviled. What was it they did again?
islanders said:The subject of this tread is the XMas photos.
Some of us would like to assess the case against the prime suspect JMK.
If you still believe the Rameseys are guilty, then please go to that thread and post there.
thank you
tumble said:why is the public so protective of him if not to justify their persecution of the Ramsays
They are not protective over him. They want to jail him for what he has done, but not for something he didn't do.
otto said:What is an insult to one's intelligence? That the Ramsays murdered their own child? Other than the fact that after 3 extensive independent investigations there is no evidence, there's nothing wrong with having suspicions ... but it's odd to have suspicions without evidence. I don't mean "people kill their offspring and stuff feces in their mouths as they lay dying" odd, I just mean wing nuts.
In most cases that a child is murderered it is random and until you provide links to your stats, mine are equally valid.
The grate had been moved. There was evidence of that. The window is big enough for anyone to climb through. There is also information that the window was open. Initially there was concern that there were no footprints in the snow until it was realized that there was no snow on that part of the yard.
"Economists, physicists etcetera disagree with one another so it's no surprise that detectives disagree?" No connection. Economists and physicists are using mathematics as their foundation, detectives are not even in the same league.
dottierainbow said:No, they want him for questioning and to see what he knows and if there is evidence in what He claims that he killed JonBonet. I haven't heard the Da office stating he must be guilty cause he said so. Where's the Christmas picture? Is it with his wife, children, or with his brother in another state?
Amy
dottierainbow said:So he was very close to his family and was always there for them? When was the last time his family heard from him or actually saw him? Anyone know? Thanks.
Amy
Bobbisangel said:I don't think for a minute that the Ramsey's murdered that beautiful little girl. I think it was an outside job. There is enough evidence now to prove to me that someone came into the house and waited for Ramsey's to get home. I think that BPD was so focused on the Ramseys from the beginning that they didn't even look for anyone else for a long time. I only wish that Patsey would have lived long enough to see the killer of her little girl sentenced and punished.
I don't know about this guy. He says he murdered her. If he did, when he gets to Boulder he should be able to sit down with the detectives or FBI and give them details that no one else knows. I'm sure there was evidence held back from the media that only the killer would know about. The DNA will be the real evidence though. When that comes back he will either be guilty or he won't be.
I can't imagine why he wants to be guilty of something that he didn't do unless he is crazy as a loon. No one knows where his money has come from as he was only working as a sub from what I hear. Yet he could afford to go and have all of his facial hair removed plus the hair under his chin, etc. He had been looking into having a sex change and that has to cost thousands of dollars. The spokesperson for the family said that his dad doesn't have money so he hasn't been financing him over there. I wonder if he was even paying support for his kids? He wasn't in any trouble over in Tialand..that was said on Nancy Grace so he wasn't having problems with the law there. It was also said earlier in the week that he had been towards the bottom of the BPD list of suspects long ago but as time has gone by he has risen towards the top. BPD must know things that we don't know about him. I wouldn't think that they would spend all of that money to bring him back on a whim that he might be guilty. They must have something that can tie him to that crime.
I hope the DNA comes back by the end of the week.
