Plane carrying 62 people crashes in Brazil with no survivors. Aug 2024

[LordMo]

per the above-linked article, "the plane is sensitive to ice,[...]"

The plane was an ATS-72, two previous flights have had an ATS-72 freeze up and crash: American Eagle Flight 4184 and TransAsia Airways Flight 791.

I hope Eurasiantimes counts as acceptable MSM (I have found a few other posts linking it in the past). They're saying that there was a SIGMET (Significant Meteorological Information) warning for severe icing conditions at that altitude in that area.

Brazil Air Crash Due To 'Wrong Data' Fed To Pilots? Analysis Of Voepass ATR 72 Crash Near São Paulo

Analysis By: Group Captain (Dr) MJ Augustine Vinod (Retd) The aviation community was profoundly shaken by the tragic crash of the Voepass ATR 72 near São Paulo on 9 August 2024, a calamity that has sent shockwaves through the industry. This incident, which claimed numerous lives, serves as a...

www.eurasiantimes.com

If you can read technical info better, the Aviation Herald has more data.
(WARNING for embedded photos and videos of crash, no auto-playing videos and the photos aren't graphic, but better safe than sorry for something this scary and tragic, y'know?)

The Aviation Herald

Aviation Herald - News, Incidents and Accidents in Aviation

avherald.com

 

[Chimera]

looks like it just barely missed some houses so hopefully no one on the ground was killed too

So far there appear to be no casualties on the ground ?
At least a very small silver lining.
Omo.

 

[Vern]

"Does anyone know where the love of God goes when the air turns the seconds to hours." - Paraphrased from Gordon Lightfoot's The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald.

I can't imagine. My heartfelt thoughts and condolences to everyone affected by this tragedy.

 

[ifindedout]

per the above-linked article, "the plane is sensitive to ice,[...]"

The plane was an ATS-72, two previous flights have had an ATS-72 freeze up and crash: American Eagle Flight 4184 and TransAsia Airways Flight 791.

I hope Eurasiantimes counts as acceptable MSM (I have found a few other posts linking it in the past). They're saying that there was a SIGMET (Significant Meteorological Information) warning for severe icing conditions at that altitude in that area.

Brazil Air Crash Due To 'Wrong Data' Fed To Pilots? Analysis Of Voepass ATR 72 Crash Near São Paulo

Analysis By: Group Captain (Dr) MJ Augustine Vinod (Retd) The aviation community was profoundly shaken by the tragic crash of the Voepass ATR 72 near São Paulo on 9 August 2024, a calamity that has sent shockwaves through the industry. This incident, which claimed numerous lives, serves as a...

www.eurasiantimes.com

RSBM
From the Eurasian Times link:
The fact that the engines were functioning normally, yet the aircraft still descended uncontrollably underscores the likelihood that the crash resulted from a combination of aerodynamic stall and possibly erroneous data being fed to the pilots.

In such scenarios, a blocked pitot tube, perhaps due to severe icing, could have provided inaccurate airspeed readings, leading the pilots to make incorrect inputs based on what they believed was reliable information. This situation would have been exacerbated by the low altitude, leaving the pilots with minimal time to diagnose the problem and recover the aircraft.

If the plane's pitot tubes were not equipped with heaters, ice could've obstructed them and caused false instrument readings, just as happened with Air France 447 in 2009 (Wikipedia entry, subsection Aftermath > Inaccurate airspeed indicators)

Air France Flight 447 - Wikipedia

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[Chimera]

@ifindedout ; Thanks for explaining that.
My initial thought was the plane itself was faulty ?

 

[ifindedout]

@ifindedout ; Thanks for explaining that.
My initial thought was the plane itself was faulty ?

IMO it doesn't necessarily preclude a (other) preexisting problem(s) with the plane.

 

[Chimera]

What a bittersweet moment for those who missed that flight !
Probably some initial irritation ... and now they have to be in a bit of shock, imo.

I'm thankful they're still with us.

Incredible story of passengers who missed doomed Voepass flight

A pair of late arriving passengers revealed how they missed boarding the Voepass Airlines plane that crashed into the backyard of a condominium on Friday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Assis said that he pleaded with the agent to allow to board his return flight to São Paulo.
'At that moment, I argued with him and stuff, and that was it, and he saved my life, man,' he said. 'He did his job because... if he hadn't done it... maybe I wouldn't be in this interview today, sorry.'

Another young man told the outlet that he and three friends were among 10 passengers who were waiting by the wrong gate and unable to board the flight.

'When it was 11 o'clock, I came looking here. When I looked I said, "Man, you're not getting on that plane anymore",' he recalled.

He attempted to persuade one of the gate agents into allowing him inside the plane, but his tactics didn't work.

'I said, "Girl, put me on this plane, I have to go, I have to go",' he said.

'She said, "No …What I can do for you is reschedule your flight." So, she rescheduled it for 6:20 pm.'

 

[Skigh]

Eight cancer doctors among the 62 dead on doomed Brazil flight

Six leading oncologists and two resident medics, in their final year of training, were on their way from their home city of Cascavel to a cancer conference in Sao Paulo when the crash happened.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[tarabull]

Air safety expert on plane crash in Brazil: ‘I wouldn’t fly ’em’ | Globalnews.ca

Aviation expert Mary Schiavo describes what she saw in a video of Voepass Linhas Aéreas Flight 2283 plummeting to the ground in Brazil Friday, killing all 62 people on board.

globalnews.ca

 

[realanastasia]

What Caused a Plane to Fall From the Sky in Brazil?

Officials are investigating potential causes of a plane crash that killed 62 people near São Paulo. Using videos and other clues, aviation experts have formed theories.

www.nytimes.com

 

[vls12345]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/11/americas/brazil-plane-crash-bodies-recovered-intl/index.html

"The bodies of 34 men and 28 women were recovered, according to the São Paulo government, who said that only two - the pilot and co-pilot - have been identified so far. Among those killed were a 3-year-old girl, a 4-year-old boy traveling with his pet dog and a couple who leave behind three children."

 

[LadyL]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/11/americas/brazil-plane-crash-bodies-recovered-intl/index.html

"The bodies of 34 men and 28 women were recovered, according to the São Paulo government, who said that only two - the pilot and co-pilot - have been identified so far. Among those killed were a 3-year-old girl, a 4-year-old boy traveling with his pet dog and a couple who leave behind three children."

only two have been identified but then gives info on other victims they wouldn't know if they weren't identified ...

 

[LordMo]

Hmm... maybe they had a full list of who was onboard, but they haven't been able to determine which remains belonged to which passenger yet?

 

[Joe Friday]

Hmm... maybe they had a full list of who was onboard, but they haven't been able to determine which remains belonged to which passenger yet?

From viewing the photos of the plane after the crash, the cockpit area did not catch fire and burn. That may have helped in the identification of the bodies of the pilot and copilot.

I'm afraid the rest of the passengers on board would have been burned beyond the point using such things as fingerprints and maybe even dental records in the identification, making it more time consuming to identify the others.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

You can hear the engines running.

That's what amazed me. The engine sounds didn't change or stop per my ear until the crash. So strange.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

From viewing the photos of the plane after the crash, the cockpit area did not catch fire and burn. That may have helped in the identification of the bodies of the pilot and copilot.

I'm afraid the rest of the passengers on board would have been burned beyond the point using such things as fingerprints and maybe even dental records in the identification, making it more time consuming to identify the others.

Swissair Flight 111 with 229 passengers went down just off the coast of Nova Scotia, and 15 000 parts of remains were recovered. Local fishermen went out to try to rescue survivors and unfortunately found only parts of remains.

The plane had an onboard fire and was ditching fuel in the Atlantic before attempting an emergency landing in Halifax when it went down.

I’m not sure, but the crash victims in this case may be found in a similar situation. It may take pathologists a long time to identify the victims, imo.

ETA: there’s a monument on shore close to where it crashed. Nova Scotians and visitors from all over the world still place flowers there. We’re still honouring them.

Swissair flight 111 | Summary, Investigation, Cause of Crash, & Facts

Swissair flight 111, flight of a passenger airliner that crashed on September 2, 1998, off the coast of Nova Scotia, Canada, killing all 229 on board.

www.britannica.com

Swissair Memorial Site – Peggy's Cove | Tourism Nova Scotia, Canada

On September 2, 1998 Swissair Flight 111 crashed into the Atlantic Ocean southwest of Halifax Stanfield International Airport at the entrance to St. Margaret’s Bay. All 229 people on board perished....

www.novascotia.com