Yep definitely a coach/bus when you look at windows. Nice to see you emirates1957 sorry it's for another tragedy. I hope you and everyone have a great Christmas and New Year in 2017.
I know air travel is extremely safe but it doesn't make any accidents and loss of life any less upsetting. Thank you to you and Jax49 for answering my question above.
I wonder why they chose not to refuel in Bogota and to try and make the journey was it to save time or financial reasons? I feel so sad for everyone who has died, the pilot desperately trying to save the plane and the survivors. It must have been a horrendous scene onboard the plane in its final minutes.
When the plane ran out of fuel would it have acted the way it would in a stall situation?
"Just six people survived and today some of them have been speaking for the first time about the moments before impact.
Crew member Erwin Tumiri told how passengers were left terrified as the plane began to plummet to the ground.
He said: "I saved myself because I followed the emergency protocol, putting bags between my legs and put myself in the fetal position.
"I also saw how many passengers rose and began to scream."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/colombia-plane-crash-chapecoense-brazil-9363639
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Not that I ever want to be in that situation but he brings up a great point that I have never heard before. If you know you are going down for sure I think I am going to start grabbing soft luggage bags from the overhead and surround myself with it as much as possible. Basically try to put myself in a cocoon of luggage.
I am sure if there are others seated next to me they may not let me do that but I may be able to convince them that they need a cocoon too.
Seems like a great idea though. I suspect the luggage the gentleman put down near his legs may have helped him survive.
[video=youtube;HlPWo66UESI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlPWo66UESI[/video]
I can't find it again, but saw somewhere on MSM that one of the players who survived had to have his leg amputated.
Still catching up on this so exuse my ignorance if this has already been covered. Headlines never cease to amaze me, they can't have it both ways, lack of fuel and or electrical problem. If they were so close to the airport and had thunderies in the area you would want sufficient fuel in order to go around, or return to an alternate....no reason do dump as you would have already used your max fuel in order for a min fuel landing. If they had taken off had let's say had a severe electrical failure they would need to dump fuel and return to the originating airport. It would be interesting to get a dummy Trim Sheet to be able to ascertain the weights of an high male pax count on board this type of equipment.
When we look at the wreckge there is a whole segment that appears to have remained intact.
I would venture to say that is where the survivors were. The only real thing that matters is throughout the accident sequence is are you in surivable space in terms of room.
If you are luggage may soften some stuff- but would be basically non menaingful if you were located where there was total loss of structural integrity.
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Yep definitely a coach/bus when you look at windows. Nice to see you emirates1957 sorry it's for another tragedy. I hope you and everyone have a great Christmas and New Year in 2017.
I know air travel is extremely safe but it doesn't make any accidents and loss of life any less upsetting. Thank you to you and Jax49 for answering my question above.
I wonder why they chose not to refuel in Bogota and to try and make the journey was it to save time or financial reasons? I feel so sad for everyone who has died, the pilot desperately trying to save the plane and the survivors. It must have been a horrendous scene onboard the plane in its final minutes.
When the plane ran out of fuel would it have acted the way it would in a stall situation?
Hi there Snoods.....just had one of our Engineers have a quick look.....he said it appears to be a bus.
Hate to say this but I think this is gonna come out to be pilot error. Its the crews responsiblity to very clearly declare an emergency.
Thus far it sounds as if they did not formally do so. They circled quite awhile before impact.
The pilot owned the airline.
Hi emirates1957 thanks for your reply I found this on the CNN website.
Cockpit transcript
"One of the crew members, his voice reflecting growing concern, sends an urgent message to air traffic controllers at the Colombian airport.
"Miss, Lima-Mike-India 2933 it's in failure, uh, total... electrical and fuel [failure]."
Less than 30 seconds later, the crew was back in touch with a frantic call for directions to line up for the approach to the runway.
Pilot: Lima-Mike India... vectors! Vectors, miss! Vectors to the runway!
But the jet's radar signal was lost, leaving the air traffic controller blindly directing the pilot to safety.
Controller: Direction... turn left 010 and proceed to the Rio Negro localizer 1 mile ahead of the border. At the moment, you're located, correct, I'm confirming going left with direction 350.
Pilot: Left 350.
Controller: Yes, correct. You're at zero-point-one miles to the Rio Negro border. I don't have your altitude, Lima-Mike-India.
Pilot: 9,000 feet, miss. Vectors, vectors!
Controller: You're 8.2 miles to the runway. What's your altitude now?
Silence
The CNN Instagram page has drone video of the crash site which gives you an idea of how the plane crashed.
Thanks CARIIS for your reply too.
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Hello Emirates. Sorry to meet again with another plane accident. We are glad your expertise can be queried again though.
Was wondering if maybe they were getting electric failure from the lack of fuel shutting down the engines.
If the engines started to stutter and fail then would all the instruments and electrical components shut off when engines dont run?
Was wondering if maybe the electrical issue was related to the engines failing.
Hello Cariis.,
You are probably right. No matter how much luggage you surrounded yourself with if you were in the part of the plane that became just pieces then you and the luggage would end up in pieces.
Thanks for bringing me back to reality. Although I think I would still try to put myself in a cocoon of luggage. Just to feel like it may work and give me hope on the way down.
Much appreciated......I'll wait until some of the guys come through the crew room tomorrow and see what their opinion is. Thanks again.....and a SAFE and Merry Xmas as well.
Re BBM
Hello Emirates. Sorry to meet again with another plane accident. We are glad your expertise can be queried again though.
Was wondering if maybe they were getting electric failure from the lack of fuel shutting down the engines.
If the engines started to stutter and fail then would all the instruments and electrical components shut off when engines dont run?
Was wondering if maybe the electrical issue was related to the engines failing.
Thank you. I really appreciate you taking the time to ask your colleagues opinion.
I forgot to add the link for the CNN cockpit transcript http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/30/americas/colombia-plane-crash-recordings/