Plea or Tip? Will there be an arrest?

[Julie111475]

Yep yep and YES MA'AM! We need to remember what LE has (and hasn't) said in Chelsea's case so far. Very shortly after JAG was arrested - LE was starting to say he was a POI in Amber's case. I believe this statement was made AFTER LE had gotten (and executed) the search warrants. We can draw the conclusion that probably those seach warrants yielded evidence (info) that involved Amber. LE has said - he's not talkin' - and that "smirk" on his ugly mug in the mugshot confirmed he's a piece of work.


Exactly my thought as well! VERY early on last week there were many indicators that LE and especially Amber's family seemed to feel as if JAG was a good suspect. At the time I wondered if her parent's weren't "getting there hopes up" (I don't know how else to put that, except I'm sure they wanted closure, obviously they wanted to find there daughter alive but at the very least I'm sure they wanted to just know I hope you KWIM). Why else would they have gone to the arraignment and held a PC immediately after unless they knew that there was some indication from LE that there was something linking Chelsea to their daughter. I think they found evidence very early on, this wasn't just some hunch they were all going on. I know they were also supporting the King family but I just felt like there was other reasons, maybe it was also a good way to bring some new light onto Amber's case but I just got the feeling there was something going on behind the scenes with LE that they were briefed on to give them such feelings that he was linked to Amber as well.

 

[sarx]

Where in relation to the intersection to Arouba Rd was she found? Is that in the area?

 

[Wise Old Owl]

and Julie - after I have sat here and "thunk" somemore on all this. I'm thinking that "shed" at his grandmother's house - the one we hear that LE was very interested in - that's probably where they found "his treasures".

The relative interview on the radio was right after LE searched GM's house - that is the house that the relative was associated with and gave permission to LE (although I don't think they needed it). That relative probably knows what they found. He said the FBI had questioned him thoroughly and asked that he not "speak of certain things".

I got a pretty good idea who the relative is (relationship-wise to JAG) but it doesn't really matter. The events unfolding (and the subsequent finds by LE and the FBI) had shaken this relative to the core. That radio interview is very telling if you listen close enough as to what was said - and wasn't said as well.

 

[jjenny]

Yep yep and YES MA'AM! We need to remember what LE has (and hasn't) said in Chelsea's case so far. Very shortly after JAG was arrested - LE was starting to say he was a POI in Amber's case. I believe this statement was made AFTER LE had gotten (and executed) the search warrants. We can draw the conclusion that probably those seach warrants yielded evidence (info) that involved Amber. LE has said - he's not talkin' - and that "smirk" on his ugly mug in the mugshot confirmed he's a piece of work.


Exactly my thought as well! VERY early on last week there were many indicators that LE and especially Amber's family seemed to feel as if JAG was a good suspect. At the time I wondered if her parent's weren't "getting there hopes up" (I don't know how else to put that, except I'm sure they wanted closure, obviously they wanted to find there daughter alive but at the very least I'm sure they wanted to just know I hope you KWIM). Why else would they have gone to the arraignment and held a PC immediately after unless they knew that there was some indication from LE that there was something linking Chelsea to their daughter. I think they found evidence very early on, this wasn't just some hunch they were all going on. I know they were also supporting the King family but I just felt like there was other reasons, maybe it was also a good way to bring some new light onto Amber's case but I just got the feeling there was something going on behind the scenes with LE that they were briefed on to give them such feelings that he was linked to Amber as well.

Why would LE be so tight lipped if their suspect was already in jail?

 

[Tink56]

and Julie - after I have sat here and "thunk" somemore on all this. I'm thinking that "shed" at his grandmother's house - the one we hear that LE was very interested in - that's probably where they found "his treasures".

The relative interview on the radio was right after LE searched GM's house - that is the house that the relative was associated with and gave permission to LE (although I don't think they needed it). That relative probably knows what they found. He said the FBI had questioned him thoroughly and asked that he not "speak of certain things".

I got a pretty good idea who the relative is (relationship-wise to JAG) but it doesn't really matter. The events unfolding (and the subsequent finds by LE and the FBI) had shaken this relative to the core. That radio interview is very telling if you listen close enough as to what was said - and wasn't said as well.

I agree. I admired his caution and thoughtfulness as he responded to the questions. A great deal wasn't said, but it was meaningful.

 

[SoCalSleuth]

If that is the actual location, that doesn't seem so remote.
From what was published, I was imagining something much more remote than this.

I posted this on another thread: http://kimberlydvorak.blogspot.com/2010/03/second-missing-teenager-amber-dubois.html

More details on the location. What we see in this pix is just an access point. This area IS very remote and rugged. San Diego is an irrigated desert. Outside of our beaches it is desert--and not a sandy desert--it is very rocky--that's all you see--miles and miles of rocks--and lots of overgrown brush and very steep hillsides and canyons.

 

[Tink56]

Why would LE be so tight lipped if their suspect was already in jail?

I think the SD area LE was badly stung and learned a great deal from the Danielle Van Dam case and the prosecution of David Westerfield. If DW ever has a new trial, it will probably be because of the leaks to the press and the influence that that might have had on prospective jurors.

Personally, I would rather not know and insure a good prosecution.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Why would LE be so tight lipped if their suspect was already in jail?

because LE has even more they have to investigate (and hopefully find) and if they announce it was JAG - well that up the count and people will put two and two together. No need to announce it was him yet - not until they have charging documents written up, ready to file. IMO there are going to be more.

 

[powayparent]

LE deflected EVERYBODY and EVERYTHING to the Kit Carson Park search/bag of hair. Very easy to "slip him out a side door and whisked off in a car (shackled, at gun point) and told TALK (or he11, just point)

Not without his attorney present. I think information, if any, was given after arrest and prior to arraignment. I'm not yet convinced JAG gave up the info but as a resident of the community I hope he's the only suspect and there's not another killer out there.

It's possible someone helped him dispose of the body and informed the police anonymously.

 

[Julie111475]

Not without his attorney present. I think information, if any, was given after arrest and prior to arraignment. I'm not yet convinced JAG gave up the info but as a resident of the community I hope he's the only suspect and there's not another killer out there.

It's possible someone helped him dispose of the body and informed the police anonymously.

But why would that complicate anything, I would think if it is part of a plea the attorney would be leading the caravan to the spot, not deterring the investigation. Especially if they already have evidence implicating their client.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Not without his attorney present. I think information, if any, was given after arrest and prior to arraignment. I'm not yet convinced JAG gave up the info but as a resident of the community I hope he's the only suspect and there's not another killer out there.

It's possible someone helped him dispose of the body and informed the police anonymously.

yea I guess you're right - about the attorney, maybe. He could have pointed out on a map - but we have heard he's learning disabled so he might be able to read a map. Also, he could have "given this up" before the arraignment which is when he was appointed a PD - so at that time he didn't have a lawyer.

LE confronted him - you betcha - several times - they "found his trigger" and "pushed his buttons" - once he "raged" he would have spilled a whole lot of info. And then once confronted with finding "his stash" - well then, the gig is up. I'm willing to bet LE doesn't even need him anymore and they have enough info to find his other victims.

 

[SoCalSleuth]

I can't remember who asked but there's only 1 road off of Pala Temecula Road that is about 3.5 miles from pala mission road and that's arouba. Desolate desolate area. The news here is reporting it's the same location where they found the body of the 7 year old Hernandez girl years ago. I can't remember her first name.

 

[jjenny]

I can't remember who asked but there's only 1 road off of Pala Temecula Road that is about 3.5 miles from pala mission road and that's arouba. Desolate desolate area. The news here is reporting it's the same location where they found the body of the 7 year old Hernandez girl years ago. I can't remember her first name.

Leticia Hernandez who disappeared in 1989.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/07/site-ambers-remains-north-pala-mission/

 

[SoCalSleuth]

Leticia Hernandez who disappeared in 1989.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/07/site-ambers-remains-north-pala-mission/

Right Leticia. I remember it so clearly there were billboards with her beatutiful little face on it and purported sightings all over the US and she was dead the whole time. I don't believe they ever solved her kidnapping and murder. BTW, the movie was Sorority Row.

 

[butterfly1978]

I have a couple of questions.... I have seen it reported after Chelsey was found that JaG is suspected in at least 7 other cases, Amber being one so who are the others?

Also what if this is a coincidence and JaG is not responsible, who else could have done this? I hope we find the person who gave the tip, because apparently this person knows what happened to Amber.

 

[Zuckerschnecke]

I think LE went aggressively after him to get him to the body AFTER they got the go ahead from Chelsea's parents that the death penalty will be taken off the table. They got close to Amber's parents through all of this and I can see them saying, 'yes, get that girl found, even if it means taking the dp away.' They are just that type of people.

This road where he was, not surprising road to travel coming back and forth from Escondido to Lake Elsinore and if he was used to taking it during traffic times, he would likely take it other times as well. Did he go to Pechanga Casino I wonder. This road into Temecula dumps you right off where Pechanga is and from there you can weave your way back through to the 15. Trust me, it's not as off the beaten path as it might seem, especially for the number of people that use it as an alternate route.

 

[jjenny]

I think LE went aggressively after him to get him to the body AFTER they got the go ahead from Chelsea's parents that the death penalty will be taken off the table. They got close to Amber's parents through all of this and I can see them saying, 'yes, get that girl found, even if it means taking the dp away.' They are just that type of people.

This road where he was, not surprising road to travel coming back and forth from Escondido to Lake Elsinore and if he was used to taking it during traffic times, he would likely take it other times as well. Did he go to Pechanga Casino I wonder. This road into Temecula dumps you right off where Pechanga is and from there you can weave your way back through to the 15. Trust me, it's not as off the beaten path as it might seem, especially for the number of people that use it as an alternate route.

IF LE made a deal with him there would be no reason for them not to say so.
The investigator for Dubois family says the information did not come from Gardner and I fail to see any reason as to why he would say that if it was not the truth.

 

[DairyGirl]

IF LE made a deal with him there would be no reason for them not to say so.
The investigator for Dubois family says the information did not come from Gardner and I fail to see any reason as to why he would say that if it was not the truth.

He may not know. I doubt LE is telling him things if they aren't telling the public. Isn't there a presser tomorrow? Maybe there will be more information then.

 

[butterfly1978]

Hey guys... Lets not forget to add tags at the bottom, so others can find these threads.

 

[jjenny]

He may not know. I doubt LE is telling him things if they aren't telling the public. Isn't there a presser tomorrow? Maybe there will be more information then.

If he didn't know it then he could have simply said he didn't know it. He said the lead did not come from Gardner so I presume he knows who it came from, or at the very least that it didn't come from Gardner. By the way he obviously would know more than the public, and I would bet LE tells him more than the public.