Police say parents are not answering vital questions #2

[cityslick]

Also, wouldn't the defamation lawsuit be against the media, not against LE, or against both of them?

I agree, but I don't think they would have much luck there either. An analyst (TH) can see pretty much whatever they want, it's just an opinion. If they can show that an actual journalist said things that defame them, that's another issue.

 

[In da Middle]

Also, wouldn't the defamation lawsuit be against the media, not against LE, or against both of them?

I think the media is definitely treading the line on this one. I fully believe the guy on N Brighton would have a valid case when Megyn Kelly going on national news stating his house was a meth house. She had the wrong house to start with, let alone, did she have any proof of meth usage at all there?

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

Based on what LE said at the beginning, I would say that DB told them she put the baby down at 6:30, and not at 10:30.

The MEDIA jumped to the conclusion that she put the baby to bed at 10:30, so they THOUGHT she changed her story when she told them she actually put Lisa down at 6:30. Once one media source said it, others quoted them, until it became a "fact", when it actually isn't a fact.

That's what some of us have been saying all along: there is no proof that DB ever lied to LE.

I don't think the media is to blame for this one. I just researched the Amber Alerts that went out for BL and found about 10 of them and every single one says (paraphrasing) that the baby was last seen in her crib at 10:30 according to police. The Amber Alert was very distinct in that it gave a description of BL right down to a birthmark and her cough and cold.
Seems to me, when LE issues an Amber Alert they will give out the most accurate information that they have in order to bring this child back to a safe situation. So, IMHO, 10:30 is what time I would surmise that DB told the police was the last time she saw her baby. Then changed her story when doing her interviews with media that she was drunk, maybe blacked out and really couldn't remember if she checked on her sick baby at all.
JMO.

 

[deoneta]

LE has had to backtrack on that "not cooperating" statement several times, and admit that the parents are, in fact answering questions. Who knows? Maybe the city lawyers are trying to mitigate potential damage, and told LE to backtrack on that statement.

A civil case would hinge on what people would reasonably believe that "not cooperating" meant. And, I think we can all agree on how that sounded, when we first heard it. If either of the parents are guilty there would be no case, but if they are innocent? Honestly I could see a sharp lawyer claiming that the statement was deliberately malicious, and really up the ante.

No wonder LE is not naming the parents as suspects if LE could be sued for saying the parents are not cooperating! I don't think the parents would ever bring this deflamatory statement case to court for a couple of reasons: the parents are lying low, and they aren't cooperating. All MOO.

 

[Karmaa]

I think this is where the idea that DB put Lisa to bed at 10:30 comes from.


First, LE says that she was last seen at 10:30.

Then, DB is asked about the last moments with Lisa and she describes putting her to bed.
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Reporter: “Do you remember your last moments with Lisa? I mean, what were you doing? What was it like?”

DB: “Just change her, you know, put fresh clothes on her, and get her ready for bed, and gave her her bottle, and made sure her binky was in her crib in case she needed it, and she sleeps with her Barney, and she sleeps with her GloWorm and her blanket and that was, that was it.”

10/6/2011 Interview with DB and JI from KMBC.
http://www.kmbc.com/r/29404237/detail.html

transcription by the awesome not-my-kids

Right, and DB doesn't say what time that was. She is telling what she remembers from the last time she saw Lisa, which she later says was at 7:30.

(it's at about the 5:30 mark - the reporter doesn't say anything about 10:30.)

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I agree, but I don't think they would have much luck there either. An analyst (TH) can see pretty much whatever they want, it's just an opinion. If they can show that an actual journalist said things that defame them, that's another issue.

JonBenet's parents sued many media outlets, and they all settled outside of court. If her parents couldn't win any lawsuits against the media, then I don't know how the Irwins would.

 

[Donjeta]

Right, and DB doesn't say what time that was. She is telling what she remembers from the last time she saw Lisa, which she later says was at 7:30.

(it's at about the 5:30 mark - the reporter doesn't say anything about 10:30.)

It's a natural assumption imo since it was reported that LI was last seen at 10:30.

Anyway, I thought she put Lisa to bed at 6:40. That would include changing her clothes etc. and the 7:30 time was supposed to be when she looked in briefly and saw her standing in the crib? It came from a People article, iirc.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

"I'm not saying they're not cooperating," he said. "They have met some of our needs. What I've been talking about specifically is sitting down, separate from each other, to be interviewed by detectives. In regard to that, no, that hasn't happen since the 8th of October."
http://www.news-leader.com/article/...lice-Hunt-Kansas-City-baby-Lisa-not-out-steam

That right there is not cooperating in my book. So, imo, while he says he's not saying that they're not cooperating he then in fact goes on to say they are not cooperating.

They're refusing the most important thing that the police asks them to do. JMO.

I wonder how they justified letting the boys be subjected to questions but themselves not.

Truly mindboggling!!!!!!!!

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Another reason I don't think the Irwins would win a lawsuit against the media is because they are public figures. They became public figures as soon as they spoke to the media. It's much harder for a public figure to prove defamation than a private citizen.

(On the other hand, I think someone like Terri Horman is still considered a private citizen because she has never spoken to the press.)

 

[natsound]

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/1...e-asks-if-they-sold-or-killed-their-daughter/

Transcribed from above interview:

Kelly: "When you went in at 10:30 after the neighbor left, what did you do?"
Bradley: "Probably went right to my room."
Kelly: "Why do you say probably?"
Bradley: "Because sometimes I check on her. Most of the time I check on her. And the boys, their room is right next to each other. And I sneak in and make sure, and the boys had been awake, andI had went in there, told them they could sleep in my bed, and, so Im assuming I went and checked on her too, but I don't know."
Kelly: "You don't remember?"
Bradley: "No".
Kelly: "So it's possible you did not check on her when you went to bed at 10:30?"
Bradley: "Yeah, but there's no way anybody could have got in."
Kelly: "So the last time you saw your daughter alive in your house is when you put her down at 6:40?"
Bradley: "When I put her down, yeah."

So Bradley did change her story. She told LE that she last saw Lisa at 10 or 10:30. She told Megyn Kelly that she can't remember if she checked on Lisa at 10:30.

 

[Karmaa]

I don't think the media is to blame for this one. I just researched the Amber Alerts that went out for BL and found about 10 of them and every single one says (paraphrasing) that the baby was last seen in her crib at 10:30 according to police. The Amber Alert was very distinct in that it gave a description of BL right down to a birthmark and her cough and cold.
Seems to me, when LE issues an Amber Alert they will give out the most accurate information that they have in order to bring this child back to a safe situation. So, IMHO, 10:30 is what time I would surmise that DB told the police was the last time she saw her baby. Then changed her story when doing her interviews with media that she was drunk, maybe blacked out and really couldn't remember if she checked on her sick baby at all.
JMO.

Right. "Last seen". That is the point. The reason so many people think Debbie is lying is because they believe she told LE that she put the baby to BED at 10:30, and then changed it to 6:40.

In fact, there is nothing to suggest that Debbie ever told LE that she put the baby to bed at 10:30.

 

[natsound]

Why is it showing that there are two more pages to this thread but I keep getting returned to page 32?

I think it's happening to all of us... no worries.

 

[Whisperer]

Police are not allowed anymore to use the word suspect. They NOW have to wait up to the minute of arrest...thanks to many criminal defense attorneys who will scrutinize every single word to get a chance to sue them.

IMO, that is what db and ji want. That is one of the two reasons Joe T. are there? Hey, whatever happened to Stanton. How's his investigation going?

Lisa is well hidden and the parents are going to walk on this one. I guess some will be very happy for them because, after all, their constitutional rights are being preserved.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

Maybe but if I was asked about the last moments with a missing person I would tend to mention the last time I saw her and the last time I know she was safe where she was supposed to be.

Exactly. The description would not be a synopsis of a every other night for the past month. The last time you ever laid eyes and hands on your child before they had been abducted would burn into my memory. Did I pick her up and love on her....give her some medicine for her cough and cold, cover her with an extra blanket, the way she smelled, did she laugh, did she cry when the door was shut on her....every detail would have been memorized.

It seems in most of these cases the key players more often than not seem to want everyone to believe that on this one particular day or night that their child goes missing that everything was normal, nothing out of the ordinary. No details. Then investigations start and folks are finding out that most of these days and nights are anything but normal and ordinary.JMO.

 

[Karmaa]

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/1...e-asks-if-they-sold-or-killed-their-daughter/

Transcribed from above interview:

Kelly: "When you went in at 10:30 after the neighbor left, what did you do?"
Bradley: "Probably went right to my room."
Kelly: "Why do you say probably?"
Bradley: "Because sometimes I check on her. Most of the time I check on her. And the boys, their room is right next to each other. And I sneak in and make sure, and the boys had been awake, andI had went in there, told them they could sleep in my bed, and, so Im assuming I went and checked on her too, but I don't know."
Kelly: "You don't remember?"
Bradley: "No".
Kelly: "So it's possible you did not check on her when you went to bed at 10:30?"
Bradley: "Yeah, but there's no way anybody could have got in."
Kelly: "So the last time you saw your daughter alive in your house is when you put her down at 6:40?"
Bradley: "When I put her down, yeah."

So Bradley did change her story. She told LE that she last saw Lisa at 10 or 10:30. She told Megyn Kelly that she can't remember if she checked on Lisa at 10:30.

In Pirro's interview, Debbie said "yeah" about 10:30, but the last question she was asked by Pirro was about when the neighbor left. It's right there on the tape, LOL.

Pirro: the neighbor was gone when you went to sleep (or bed)?
DB: yeah
Pirro: OK, and you think that was about 10:30?
DB: (video cuts there, but you can see DB nodding.)

(Its on the second video on the page, starting at about the 1:55 mark.)

That's what Pirro and Kelly used as "proof" that Debbie's time changed.

 

[Whisperer]

No one can count on the Amber Alert being accurate. After all the description could be given by the perp themselves. The Amber Alert for Haleigh states she was wearing a pink shirt and tan shorts/underwear but LE found those clothes in the house the following week. Amber alert never changed. Nobody ever deduced what the poor child was wearing. I don't think LE is able to say on the alert that the person is naked ...so they leave the clothing on the alert.

 

[In da Middle]

JonBenet's parents sued many media outlets, and they all settled outside of court. If her parents couldn't win any lawsuits against the media, then I don't know how the Irwins would.

To me that means the media settled so they wouldn't have to admit guilt. The fact that they settled, to me, means the Ramsey's won.

 

[natsound]

In Pirro's interview, Debbie said "yeah" about 10:30, but the last question she was asked by Pirro was about when the neighbor left. It's right there on the tape, LOL.

Pirro: the neighbor was gone when you went to sleep (or bed)?
DB: yeah
Pirro: OK, and you think that was about 10:30?
DB: (video cuts there, but you can see DB nodding.)

(Its on the second video on the page, starting at about the 1:55 mark.)

That's what Pirro and Kelly used as "proof" that Debbie's time changed.

I wasn't discussing the Pirro interview. The time that the neighbor left has nothing to do with what DB discussed in her original story to LE (which is what they told the media this next day), and what she told Megyn Kelly.

I'm not sure what we're supposed to learn from this snippet of the Pirro interview.

 

[Whisperer]

In Pirro's interview, Debbie said "yeah" about 10:30, but the last question she was asked by Pirro was about when the neighbor left. It's right there on the tape, LOL.

Pirro: the neighbor was gone when you went to sleep (or bed)?
DB: yeah
Pirro: OK, and you think that was about 10:30?
DB: (video cuts there, but you can see DB nodding.)

(Its on the second video on the page, starting at about the 1:55 mark.)

That's what Pirro and Kelly used as "proof" that Debbie's time changed.

She changed the time in the other interview...when the reporter was trying to confirm the 10:30. DB says she "Probably" checked on her. When the word "probably' was scrutinized, db says she didn't recall, as she was drinking. The last time she saw "HER" was 6:40 when she put HER down.

 

[Whisperer]

Why is this case becoming so complicated? db & ji are clearly not telling the truth, have had numerous defense attorneys since day 2 and are not willing to talk to LE.

This isn't rocket science. These parents should have a "G" tat on their foreheads.