Police say parents are not answering vital questions #3

[scotslass]

The atty said they were gonna hold "private" vigils. DUH what good is that gonna do??? They want to be too private IMHO for somebody who has a baby missing. I'd be out their naked on my lawn with a picture of my baby .. look what the woman done with the little dog!!!! She went at it in the until she got her dog back wearing a bikini standing in the middle of different intersections. SHE GOT ATTENTION. I've not seen DI do one flippin thing and that is what grinds my gears. Rant off. MHO also.

I think a lot of prayers are done in private. I have questioned some of the things these parents have done but this is not one of them. I am of Christian faith but i would be uncomfortable with prayer vigils on my front lawn that last for weeks on end. I would worry if it upset my children in the house.(the noise, strangers around the house especially after what happened etc. I think that fact alone would cause great anxiety) Never mind the harm to myself knowing the were against me I would want positive people around me and energy i could pull strength from. I would also worry about the disruption to my neighbours if it was disrupting their families /causing anxiety etc.

I would think it would be more appropriate if these vigils were held in public places (not in front of the home) and the family could choose to attend and draw support and bring attention to BL. That is something i would like to see.

 

[Minette]

It's as if everyone here thinks I have posted false information in regards to this, when in reality I was typing while I was on the phone with the woman from the city clerks office word for word what she was telling me.

No, not at all! I have *never* thought you were posting false information, or trying to be misleading or anything like that at all! You were faithfully reporting what you were told, and that diligence is appreciated.

Speaking for myself only, I just think going there in spite of the family's expressed wishes is more about calling the parents out, and less about finding Lisa, and I have stated that all along. Other people are free to have their own opinions and do what they choose--I just don't see it leading to anything good. IMO, etc.

 

[Karmaa]

The argument I was given is that Edith wasn't a focus for the parents. She wasn't on their radar. I called BS on that. She was most definitely on the parents' radar.

ETA- my point was why do the parents even care about Edith. They should care about where their daughter is and what is happening to her. What I got in return is that the parents don't care about Edith, but obviously that's not true.

Who is saying that the PARENTS care about Edith? It seems to me that WE are the only ones discussing her.

The parents didn't tell her to leave- family did on their behalf. The family gave a good reason for asking her and her group to leave. They asked nicely. They gave them time to make other arrangements and graciously allowed them one last foray onto the property. As far as I know, that was the last that the FAMILY had to do with them,

So, why would you assume that the parents care about Edith at all? They had an issue, it was resolved, and it appears to be over from their point of view. Only Edith is keeping this issue alive.

 

[indepmo]

The obvious answer is IT"S NOT. But then peeps who will go, at night, to someone's door unannounced or uninvited and then get mad when they don't get inside don't know that. Also yelling 'roll cameras' to media isn't too cool either.
IMHO

Fact: It wasnt "unannounced", although it was made to sound like that. I should reword that statement. It was never unannounced. Calls were made, emails were sent, messages through the media. And to set the record straight it was at 6:45pm. Some people work for a living until 5pm and live a busy life so they act on things when they are able to.

Jacie, when you have two children and they are murdered and you dedicate a good part of your life afterwards to help people in their honor and memory, I'm sure you can be very opinionated. When you bury two toddlers and you dedicate something in their memory, you act on it.

Especially when the goal to assist someone is to refer them to an independent organization that is highly trained to do both article searches and grid searches.

I for one would love nothing more than to have about 200-400 professionally trained individuals combing neighborhoods and areas nearby that have yet to be searched looking for that one small article that could make or break this case or assist in finding my baby.

Just setting the unknown facts straight here.

<modsnip> I welcome any questions or comments.

 

[MyBelle]

F WIW...The 1st amendment to the Constitution, among other things, gives folks the right to assemble....this in turn gives folks the right to gather in the public easement to pray,protest or whatever as long as it is peaceful.

<modsnip>the legal definition of a public easement. People do have property rights and in my state, we pay taxes on our property, including the part that is an easement. The first amendment isn't absolute. Before folks assemble, it's always a good idea to check to see what permits or other approvals are needed.

JMO

 

[Whisperer]

Can I now add bad people who pray to the list?

Bad PoPo
Bad LDTs
Bad cadaver dogs
Bad Media
Bad vigils

 

[indepmo]

No, not at all! I have *never* thought you were posting false information, or trying to be misleading or anything like that at all! You were faithfully reporting what you were told, and that diligence is appreciated.

Speaking for myself only, I just think going there in spite of the family's expressed wishes is more about calling the parents out, and less about finding Lisa, and I have stated that all along. Other people are free to have their own opinions and do what they choose--I just don't see it leading to anything good. IMO, etc.

Thank you Minette, and I never said I endorsed this behavior, I was only speaking about the city codes and if they were or were not allowed as it was made to sound like they could control who was outside of their house. I can't control the guy across the street with his wheels parked up in the soft spot of the grass digging ruts in the "easement", I have to live with it.

There are others that don't endorse the parents behavior, but they too have their legal rights.

This case has touched the hearts of many people, and taken a toll on a lot of people. I hope there is a break in this case soon. It needs to happen for everyone.

 

[highflyer]

Fact: It wasnt "unannounced", although it was made to sound like that. I should reword that statement. It was never unannounced. Calls were made, emails were sent, messages through the media. And to set the record straight it was at 6:45pm. Some people work for a living until 5pm and live a busy life so they act on things when they are able to.

Jacie, when you have two children and they are murdered and you dedicate a good part of your life afterwards to help people in their honor and memory, I'm sure you can be very opinionated. When you bury two toddlers and you dedicate something in their memory, you act on it.

Especially when the goal to assist someone is to refer them to an independent organization that is highly trained to do both article searches and grid searches.

I for one would love nothing more than to have about 200-400 professionally trained individuals combing neighborhoods and areas nearby that have yet to be searched looking for that one small article that could make or break this case or assist in finding my baby.

Just setting the unknown facts straight here.

Furthermore, instead of the reading "subliminal messages" on this forum, feel free to PM me instead any time. I welcome any questions or comments.

Two toddlers?

 

[Chris_Texas]

I have probably been as critical of the parents here as anyone. However...

If someone was organizing prayer vigils on my front lawn I too would demand they leave. In addition, the various celbrity victims who have decended on this family demanding admission deserve nothing but our pity.

As it happens I believe they are guilty. But guilty or not, I do not judge them based on how they recieve these vultures.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Fact: It wasnt "unannounced", although it was made to sound like that. I should reword that statement. It was never unannounced. Calls were made, emails were sent, messages through the media. And to set the record straight it was at 6:45pm. Some people work for a living until 5pm and live a busy life so they act on things when they are able to.

Jacie, when you have two children and they are murdered and you dedicate a good part of your life afterwards to help people in their honor and memory, I'm sure you can be very opinionated. When you bury two toddlers and you dedicate something in their memory, you act on it.

Especially when the goal to assist someone is to refer them to an independent organization that is highly trained to do both article searches and grid searches.

I for one would love nothing more than to have about 200-400 professionally trained individuals combing neighborhoods and areas nearby that have yet to be searched looking for that one small article that could make or break this case or assist in finding my baby.

Just setting the unknown facts straight here.

Furthermore, instead of the reading "subliminal messages" on this forum, feel free to PM me instead any time. I welcome any questions or comments.

BBM But was there ever an invitation would be my question. If I called, emailed and made announcements and didn't receive a favourable response, I would take that as a "don't call us we'll call you" at best. There is a difference between being invited into a home, and injecting yourself into someone's life. JMHO

 

[MyBelle]

If people are there for the purest of intentions, why would they be worrying about public easements and if they had the right to be there when they were asked not to be? Sounds very much like a protest and creating havoc instead of a prayer vigil to me.

Yes, it does. It also looks, talks and walks like a duck, doesn't it?

JMO

 

[Karmaa]

(IMO) I think there are two parents that should be considerate to one particular child that may be suffering. Lisa.

MOO I don't know if these two boys are suffering. Maybe they wanted to go outside and pray. I still don't see these as protests, sorry. Someone would have been jailed or the police would have been called. That never happened.

Why WEREN'T the cops called to drag them off the property for trespassing? Could it be because the family just wanted the circus on the front yard to stop, and were willing to ask nicely? Imagine their surprise to find out that even though family members asked Edith privately and graciously, Edith felt the need to contact the media and make it sound almost as if Debbie had come out the front door shrieking at them to leave.

So, whether it was a protest or not, it seems likely the reason no one was jailed is because the family was trying to not make a scene, maybe trying not to embarrass Edith - who apparently didn't have any such qualms.

 

[MyBelle]

It's as if everyone here thinks I have posted false information in regards to this, when in reality I was typing while I was on the phone with the woman from the city clerks office word for word what she was telling me.

The City of Kansas City "Right Away Division" can tell you how much further than 4' the easement is away from the curb since there is no sidewalk in front of this residence.

When doing that, keep in mind this is the question I asked:

I was calling in regards to holding a pray vigil in front of a residence in Kansas City, more specifically the Irwin residence at xxxx N. Lister (I gave the correct address).

Is a permit required? (answer given by clerk)
How far in front of the residence is the easement? (answer given by clerk)

Are there any other things I should do to consider doing this, or anyone else I should call? (answer given by clerk)

Also...............

Compare notes based off of what I was told.

I didn't accuse you of posting false information. You seem to be under the impression the clerk was giving you legal permission to enter private property. The clerk is not dispensing legal advice. Just because no permit is required from the city does not mean that permission of the property owner is not required.

JMO

 

[Jacie Estes]

I have every right to state my opinion. I feel badly for Tina, <modsnip>, so I'm sure Tina had to put up with a lot. My point is that there is NO reason to go in front of a house for a vigil when it isn't about a vigil or Lisa. Do a vigil at Crown Center, do a vigil at Penguin Park but for Edith to march from the Park to the Irwins is ludicrous. It is an intrusion as well as eating up tax payer's money because there will have to be LE present. This is beyond where is Baby Lisa and now has become about Edith and others.

John Walsh has taken his grief and turned it into something productive, others are welcome to do the same thing rather than harrassing families.

ETA BBM When requests go unanswered that should be a clue. IMHO

Fact: It wasnt "unannounced", although it was made to sound like that. I should reword that statement. It was never unannounced. Calls were made, emails were sent, messages through the media. And to set the record straight it was at 6:45pm. Some people work for a living until 5pm and live a busy life so they act on things when they are able to.

Jacie, when you have two children and they are murdered and you dedicate a good part of your life afterwards to help people in their honor and memory, I'm sure you can be very opinionated. When you bury two toddlers and you dedicate something in their memory, you act on it.

Especially when the goal to assist someone is to refer them to an independent organization that is highly trained to do both article searches and grid searches.

I for one would love nothing more than to have about 200-400 professionally trained individuals combing neighborhoods and areas nearby that have yet to be searched looking for that one small article that could make or break this case or assist in finding my baby.

Just setting the unknown facts straight here.

Furthermore, instead of the reading "subliminal messages" on this forum, feel free to PM me instead any time. I welcome any questions or comments.

 

[Whisperer]

Where in the world is Bill Stanton?

 

[hambirg]

Exactly what it sounds like, the parents have every right to be in their home with their family, EF has no rights to be there.

But she does, as per a local.. . .they don't have to be in the yard, but people have the right to assemble, just the same as the parents have the right to not incriminate themselves. The parents can take themselves down to police headquarters and talk to LE about it. . Just sayin. . ..

 

[beach]

I have a bit of clean up to do. :aktion1:

Locking up and will re-open after I get done sweeping.

 

[Salem]

This thread has nothing to do with the vigils and who shows up where. It is about JI & DB's failue to interact with LE who are working hard to find their daughter.

After Beach's cleanup, please either post ON TOPIC or move to the appropriate thread.

Salem

 

[beach]

I am about to reopen this.

In addition to what Salem just said -

Enough of the snarky one-liner comments. Post respectfully or don't post. Period.

.

 

[Salem]

REPEATING MYSELF

This thread has nothing to do with the vigils and who shows up where. It is about JI & DB's failue to interact with LE who are working hard to find their daughter.

After Beach's cleanup, please either post ON TOPIC or move to the appropriate thread.

Salem

Drop the vigils and get back on track, please.