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[truthspider]

Truth can you find Johnny Terry and show him your "private eye" so he can tell us where the SKs house is? :cheer:

pm me his info or contact info, i'll link him.
what is my "private eye"? hmmmm maybe I don't want to know.

 

[Samantha Spade]

Truth,
Please hear me out before you contact this person.

I am not trying to be argumentative to be a pain in the arse. I really am concerned. I know that you are convinced that the serial killer, or at least the serial killer of the GB4 and Shannan, looks very much like your avatar. But if he is, maybe he did not work alone and plays some part in a drug/sex trafficking ring.

Is it NOT possible that JT really is involved and made up a story that he too received phonecalls from a drunk white guy? Yes, that was way before May 1, 2010, but sadistic drunk white guys aren't a rarity unfortunately, sorta like that mother who killed her kids and made up a story that some black guy did it. Okay, stay with me, if just to humor me. Okay, so with this theory, JT knows Pak or one of the other romeo pimps. Either they met through one of the "agencies" or "gangs" or some other underground culture that makes them money exploiting young women. Fast forward to the night Shannan was murdered. Something happened in Brewer's house that literally scared the pants off of her (I don't believe it was while she was running through thorny tree infested swampland). Now Brewer and Pak have to come up with a good story. They get in touch with Alex (who also is in involved in that subculture and who knows people. Maybe JT who may have been involved with getting rid of the girls who no longer were cooperative) and they come up with a story. "Let's frame an older white guy". It worked last time. Brewer knows the perfect candidate. "People will buy it, the guy is known as an oddball around these parts." So they take a cruise back out to Oak Beach, meet with PH, ask him to call Shannan's mother (here doc, here's her number.) I don't recall reading that Mari said he sounded drunk or not. Or, maybe he was connected someway too and it was in his best interest to make it appear to her mother that Shannan left OB and to search for her somewhere else, I don't know. But what I'm suggesting is that it is not soooooo far fetched that JT may be involved somehow, some way. And I would not want you to put yourself into a dangerous position.

Okay, that's it. Have a good laugh. Tear my theory apart, it's one of many. Some really ludicrous, but not impossible. Now, I don't know if I necessarily believe that is what happened. Why? Because even though I don't know Fluke, I believe him or her. And if Fluke is telling the truth, I'd say you have a serial killer as your avatar. But please just ponder my theory before you contact JT. You're a smart and educated guy. A lot smarter than me. And you know more about what is going on behind the scenes than I do. But I wouldn't want your decisions to be clouded by what you do know. Because it's what we don't know that can really do us in sometimes.

Respectfully.

 

[KPCrimeNY]

Truth,
Please hear me out before you contact this person.

I am not trying to be argumentative to be a pain in the arse. I really am concerned. I know that you are convinced that the serial killer, or at least the serial killer of the GB4 and Shannan, looks very much like your avatar. But if he is, maybe he did not work alone and plays some part in a drug/sex trafficking ring.......

I snipped...
Ms. Spade. Thanks so much for typing this!
The theory you poast here is one I struggle with. I can't help but think that SG knew if she left that house before police arrived the night was going to end bad. These guys around these girls bother me!!!!

SG's night though leaves us with. JB, Drifter, Pak, AD, GC, CPH and this extra person you guys are talking about now. That's alot of people involved in a big secret!

 

[Samantha Spade]

Thanks KPCrimeNY,
I know, but I don't think it's a secret to police anymore. I just think LE has to prove it. And I wouldn't be surprised if there's a rogue cop involved in there somehow (or rather, a criminal who disguises himself in a cop's uniform.) But that is just my opinion, and I don't want to diverge from the topic with that. But I just don't buy JT's story that he accepted Melissa keeping secrets from him.

 

[truthspider]

Thanks KPCrimeNY,
I know, but I don't think it's a secret to police anymore. I just think LE has to prove it. And I wouldn't be surprised if there's a rogue cop involved in there somehow (or rather, a criminal who disguises himself in a cop's uniform.) But that is just my opinion, and I don't want to diverge from the topic with that. But I just don't buy JT's story that he accepted Melissa keeping secrets from him.

If you have an escort in your life, as a girlfriend, room mate, sister, or daughter, I think it is understood that they will be keeping "secrets" from you.

 

[MarshaRice]

It is my belief that the offenders related to the LISK case are more bound by psychosis than by narcissism. I believe that the evidence presented has shown that there are (at least) two killers [with the added disqualifier that there is always the possibility still that it is one offender who is experiencing severe psychotic episode cycling, periods of not being compliant with medications, multiple personality disorder, etc.]. Offender 1 I believe to be responsible for the older dismemberment murders. I don't think that I need to go into reasoning behind the label of psychosis in this instance. Repeated dismemberment involves psychosis, that is a given. The type and depth and breadth of that psychosis are questionable, however. It could be rage related, it could be schizophrenic related, or it could be related to cyclying in some other disorder such as bipolar disorder or a non-mental medical condition which can initiate psychotic episodes (such as lupus). Even though the body parts were separated and did remain hidden for a very long time, it does not appear to me that this offender went to any great ends to hide this set of crimes. Everything related to these crimes points to a disorganized offender, not an organized one. The more disorganized, the more psychosis is usually involved. In fact, I am not convinced that these killings are even related to a serial killer per se, as I see no ritual in them, only disorganization and rage. I would not be suprised if these murders were in fact related to organized crime or drug cartels and were committed by a career criminal who is probably in prison right now for some other offense who would more correctly be labeled a multiple murderer rather than a serial killer. I think that this offender is responsible for the dismemberment murders and all other victims other than the four victims found together at Gilgo Beach and the difference in the victim type and inconsistent MO and signature are because this is not a serial killer but someone who kills people for purposes other than the ritualistic satisfaction present in serial killings--probably money or some sort of financial gain.

Now, Offender 2 who I believe is responsible for the deaths of the four sex trade workers found at Gilgo Beach, is definitely a serial killer. Again, as in the case of Offender 1, I do not believe that this offender took any great pains to avoid detection, but due to circumstances, these bodies were not found for a pretty long period of time. The manner of the dispersement of the bodies was disorganized, they were just thrown by the side of the road like trash, because that is what he thinks these girls were. This offender I believe to be the same person who called the younger sister of one of the victims and was verbally abusive and with the things that he said and how he said them, I believe points to the obvious fact that he is a sadist. The juvenile behavior of taunting a fifteen year old child points to a lack of social skill and maturity that I think is at odds with the commonly shared assumption that this man is socially adept. I just don't think so. Socially adept men do not resort to prostitutes and do not childishly taunt and torture children. The psychosis in this offender, I believe, is obvious in the ritual surrounding the killings which points to biblical or religious related motive. As schizophrenia often manifests behaviors of fervent zealousness and bizarre religious cognitions and expressions, I believe that this offender is most probably schizophrenic, although he may suffer from other sort of psychotic disorder. I believe that this offender is so deeply enmeshed in his delusion of being some pious exterminator that the narcissism has taken a back seat to the psychosis involved in this delusion. I do not believe that he needs validation from anyone anymore because he feels the ultimate validation--directly from God. I believe that this man is so twisted and his thought patterns so fragmented and disordered that he can justify anything to himself as divinely inspired. Additionally, I think that this offender is responsible for the four prostitute murders in Atlantic City and probably a whole lot more. I believe that this man believes himself to be on a divine mission and I do not think he has stopped, I think he has just moved on to another playground. I believe that he is a seasonal worker of some sort that travels long distances, such as a long haul trucker, a professional fisherman, etc. I do believe he is intelligent but his psychosis (bizarre beliefs and behaviors) and self-involvement probably prevents him from having jobs other than manual labor ones. I also think that part of the lure that this offender uses to get prostitutes/sex trade workers to ignore alarms about him is the provision of drugs of which he also partakes, most probably amphetamine/methamphetamine/crack something that is stimulant related and exacerbates and magnifies psychosis. I would imagine that this offender comes from a severely abusive and dysfunctional background, and if he has children himself has probably carried on the tradition. I do not believe that this person has any healthy relationships with anyone, he can't, he is too far removed from reality. I would also imagine that his offenses began with a major stressor such as the death of his mother or divorce or splitting up with a long time girlfriend or getting caught doing something criminal (such as child molestation) and having his bizarre reasoning challenged. It could have been religion related as well, such as getting kicked out of a church that he belonged to, perhaps because his bizarre fetishes and sexual practices came to light. It could have also have been drug related as even completely normal people can be pushed into full blown psychosis via stimulant abuse, and the longer the abuse the less likely recovery is possible. There is even the possibility that he has actual brain damage from some sort of head injury that precipitated the psychosis that initiated these offenses. Whatever the origin, I would imagine that he does not hide his psychosis. Contrary to what many have said regarding this offender, I just do not believe that someone with this much obvious psychosis does not have people who know that he is a very sick individual. I would also think that if he has been diagnosed with a psychotic disorder and taken antipsychotics, he would probably seem to be a completely different person while taking them.

 

[truthspider]

Truth,
Please hear me out before you contact this person.

I am not trying to be argumentative to be a pain in the arse. I really am concerned. I know that you are convinced that the serial killer, or at least the serial killer of the GB4 and Shannan, looks very much like your avatar. But if he is, maybe he did not work alone and plays some part in a drug/sex trafficking ring.

Is it NOT possible that JT really is involved and made up a story that he too received phonecalls from a drunk white guy? Yes, that was way before May 1, 2010, but sadistic drunk white guys aren't a rarity unfortunately, sorta like that mother who killed her kids and made up a story that some black guy did it. Okay, stay with me, if just to humor me. Okay, so with this theory, JT knows Pak or one of the other romeo pimps. Either they met through one of the "agencies" or "gangs" or some other underground culture that makes them money exploiting young women. Fast forward to the night Shannan was murdered. Something happened in Brewer's house that literally scared the pants off of her (I don't believe it was while she was running through thorny tree infested swampland). Now Brewer and Pak have to come up with a good story. They get in touch with Alex (who also is in involved in that subculture and who knows people. Maybe JT who may have been involved with getting rid of the girls who no longer were cooperative) and they come up with a story. "Let's frame an older white guy". It worked last time. Brewer knows the perfect candidate. "People will buy it, the guy is known as an oddball around these parts." So they take a cruise back out to Oak Beach, meet with PH, ask him to call Shannan's mother (here doc, here's her number.) I don't recall reading that Mari said he sounded drunk or not. Or, maybe he was connected someway too and it was in his best interest to make it appear to her mother that Shannan left OB and to search for her somewhere else, I don't know. But what I'm suggesting is that it is not soooooo far fetched that JT may be involved somehow, some way. And I would not want you to put yourself into a dangerous position.

Okay, that's it. Have a good laugh. Tear my theory apart, it's one of many. Some really ludicrous, but not impossible. Now, I don't know if I necessarily believe that is what happened. Why? Because even though I don't know Fluke, I believe him or her. And if Fluke is telling the truth, I'd say you have a serial killer as your avatar. But please just ponder my theory before you contact JT. You're a smart and educated guy. A lot smarter than me. And you know more about what is going on behind the scenes than I do. But I wouldn't want your decisions to be clouded by what you do know. Because it's what we don't know that can really do us in sometimes.

Respectfully.

Sherlock was simply noting that a coincidence occurred when he stated:

"Its like almost too obvious and therefore I'm sometimes revert to thinking someone is trying to frame doc....? "

It seemed to Sherlock that John Terry may have made the older drunk white guy statements to frame CPH. There is nothing wrong with feeling that way, because it does seem like there is a correlation. Under closer analysis we can all see that John Terry made those statements prior to CPH being involved in any way. So even if JT, MP, JB, AD, etc, etc, were an organized bunch of conspiring criminals, they would have had to be planning to frame CPH for months prior to May 1, 2010. Or, this organization always says "drunk old white guy" without the intention of framing any specific "drunk old white guy", then in May 2010 they decide "drunk old white guy" is going operational and they have targeted a patsy, CPH, they commence framing, and vitals posting is made.

In reality, LE has traced some of these calls, so there is actual proof that the sadistic "phone terrorist" exists, and this caller is responsible for the G4.

 

[truthspider]

It is my belief that the offenders related to the LISK case are more bound by psychosis than by narcissism. I believe that the evidence presented has shown that there are (at least) two killers [with the added disqualifier that there is always the possibility still that it is one offender who is experiencing severe psychotic episode cycling, periods of not being compliant with medications, multiple personality disorder, etc.]. Offender 1 I believe to be responsible for the older dismemberment murders. I don't think that I need to go into reasoning behind the label of psychosis in this instance. Repeated dismemberment involves psychosis, that is a given. The type and depth and breadth of that psychosis are questionable, however. It could be rage related, it could be schizophrenic related, or it could be related to cyclying in some other disorder such as bipolar disorder or a non-mental medical condition which can initiate psychotic episodes (such as lupus). Even though the body parts were separated and did remain hidden for a very long time, it does not appear to me that this offender went to any great ends to hide this set of crimes. Everything related to these crimes points to a disorganized offender, not an organized one. The more disorganized, the more psychosis is usually involved. In fact, I am not convinced that these killings are even related to a serial killer per se, as I see no ritual in them, only disorganization and rage. I would not be suprised if these murders were in fact related to organized crime or drug cartels and were committed by a career criminal who is probably in prison right now for some other offense who would more correctly be labeled a multiple murderer rather than a serial killer. I think that this offender is responsible for the dismemberment murders and all other victims other than the four victims found together at Gilgo Beach and the difference in the victim type and inconsistent MO and signature are because this is not a serial killer but someone who kills people for purposes other than the ritualistic satisfaction present in serial killings--probably money or some sort of financial gain.

Hello Marsha,

I would like your feedback on the decision to display for attention the second manorville dismemberment victim, Jessica Taylor. For the first time, just yesterday I went to the 2 locations where these 2 sets of remains were deposited. (pictures from yesterday are attached)

With the first victim there was more effort to hide the remains within the woods near the intersection of Mill Road and Halsey Manor Rd.

The second victim Jessica Taylor, was deposited 3 years later and only 1000 feet away from the first. After my experience yesterday, I have no doubt that the killer was more confident in using the area and made a conscious decision to display his gruesome act, seemingly for attention.

I believe that the killer wisely chose Mill Rd. because he wouldn't be seen by anyone there in the middle of the night and that in a shallow grave of growth, brush, leaves, etc. the remains wouldn't likely be found for at least a few days, if not weeks or months. Then in 2003 he decides there really is no one around this area in the middle of the night so it is a great place to unload, but I want people to see what I did to this victim.

Actually, I need to add the possibility, and my entire post may now be moot, the dirt trails/dirt roads off of Mill Rd. that have been utilized by 4x4 trucks look to be intentionally blocked by large logs or trees. The killer may simply have come back to this location thinking he could drive into the woods a bit and dump the remains only to realize that he could no longer drive off the road into any of the trails so in a panic used the service road to the sump.

 

[Samantha Spade]

TruthSpider said, "If you have an escort in your life, as a girlfriend, room mate, sister, or daughter, I think it is understood that they will be keeping "secrets" from you."


Truth, Okay. But what if you are her pimp? Wouldn't you want to know who she's seeing, how much she's charging. Well, maybe you'd be a tolerant, gentleman pimp, but that's not how most of these pimps operate.
Are you sure that JT was NOT her pimp?

Also, are you sure that the taunting calls JT claimed he received from some drunk older white guy were traced? I read that they were able to trace the calls made to Melissa's younger sister, but I haven't read reports that calls to JT were.

 

[Samantha Spade]

Do you recall the interview with Melissa B's stepfather where he said that the last time she came home she told him that she wanted to move back home. I can't remember the conversation he had with the reporter verbatim, but it seemed to me to imply that she wasn't happy. But why? If she had a loving, caring boyfriend back in NYC?

Does anyone know if JT was the boyfriend who she met near her home and who she moved to NYC with? That's how these romeo pimps work their magic. They're predators. I believe Megan met her loving, tolerant boyfriend that way too. The guy who rolled her in a blanket and beat her and threatened her child's life if she stopped working in the business and bringing him home the bacon.

I believe nothing these guys say.

 

[KPCrimeNY]

Do you recall the interview with Melissa B's stepfather where he said that the last time she came home she told him that she wanted to move back home. I can't remember the conversation he had with the reporter verbatim, but it seemed to me to imply that she wasn't happy. But why? If she had a loving, caring boyfriend back in NYC?

Does anyone know if JT was the boyfriend who she met near her home and who she moved to NYC with? That's how these romeo pimps work their magic. They're predators. I believe Megan met her loving, tolerant boyfriend that way too. The guy who rolled her in a blanket and beat her and threatened her child's life if she stopped working in the business and bringing him home the bacon.

I believe nothing these guys say.

Bolded, Colored and Sized by me...:rocker:
Says it all really.I have been saying this from day one. Not buying the Boyfriend title for anyone, driver either, not a pimp, etc, etc, etc...

 

[Samantha Spade]

I did find this interesting though:

"But despite having diverse motives, serial killers do tend to share certain personality traits, and experts are learning more about what makes these killers tick, including a desire to convince others that they're "good people."
http://www.livescience.com/13712-long-island-serial-killer-psychology.html

 

[truthspider]

TruthSpider said, "If you have an escort in your life, as a girlfriend, room mate, sister, or daughter, I think it is understood that they will be keeping "secrets" from you."


Truth, Okay. But what if you are her pimp? Wouldn't you want to know who she's seeing, how much she's charging. Well, maybe you'd be a tolerant, gentleman pimp, but that's not how most of these pimps operate.
Are you sure that JT was NOT her pimp?

Also, are you sure that the taunting calls JT claimed he received from some drunk older white guy were traced? I read that they were able to trace the calls made to Melissa's younger sister, but I haven't read reports that calls to JT were.

Escorts lead a secretive life, it doesn't matter who you are in their life, you won't be around to see what they are doing at all times. I don't remember how this came up or if it's relevant.

I wasn't suggesting JT's call was traced, I was referring to Melissa's Sisters calls and pointing out that the existance of a sadistic caller isn't debatable, it is verified.

 

[truthspider]

Do you recall the interview with Melissa B's stepfather where he said that the last time she came home she told him that she wanted to move back home. I can't remember the conversation he had with the reporter verbatim, but it seemed to me to imply that she wasn't happy. But why? If she had a loving, caring boyfriend back in NYC?

Does anyone know if JT was the boyfriend who she met near her home and who she moved to NYC with? That's how these romeo pimps work their magic. They're predators. I believe Megan met her loving, tolerant boyfriend that way too. The guy who rolled her in a blanket and beat her and threatened her child's life if she stopped working in the business and bringing him home the bacon.

I believe nothing these guys say.

Yes, all these "boyfriends" are scumbags, no doubt. But none of them have much to do with oak beach, gilgo beach, manorville or sounding like an old white guy who contacts the victim's relatives over the phone.

Maybe there should be a new forum for sleuthing out all escort drivers, pimps and pushers. There isn't any data that indicates the perp is from the "sell side" of the sex business. There are many, many points of data that do indicate the perp is on the "buy side" of the transaction.

 

[KPCrimeNY]

Yes, all these "boyfriends" are scumbags, no doubt. But none of them have much to do with oak beach, gilgo beach, manorville or sounding like an old white guy who contacts the victim's relatives over the phone.

Maybe there should be a new forum for sleuthing out all escort drivers, pimps and pushers. There isn't any data that indicates the perp is from the "sell side" of the sex business. There are many, many points of data that do indicate the perp is on the "buy side" of the transaction.

I hear what your saying and thanks. I am always willing to hear other sides because I confusd the heck out of myself. Other peoples thoughts make things clearer sometimes.

If this was the case with SG that night though....
So that would make MP clean right? He was there and had her back?
If so why didn't he control that situation. When JB didn't want to pay? When JB wanted her out? When the police were on the way? I would envision him draggin her to that truck. Makes me wonder more....

 

[truthspider]

I hear what your saying and thanks. I am always willing to hear other sides because I confusd the heck out of myself. Other peoples thoughts make things clearer sometimes.

If this was the case with SG that night though....
So that would make MP clean right? He was there and had her back?
If so why didn't he control that situation. When JB didn't want to pay? When JB wanted her out? When the police were on the way? I would envision him draggin her to that truck. Makes me wonder more....

It is a complex web indeed. Assumptions must be made before a thorough analysis can be done. For this answer, I am making the assumption that the party responsible for all of the G4, is also responsible for SG. Since we know by which method most of the G4 were non-confrontationally abducted, and we know SG was not abducted in that same manner, we should be able to conclude that SG's vanishing within oak beach wasn't the typical procedure for the killer and may not have been planned. If either JB or MP had intentions to harm, sell, or kill SG, they certainly didn't act like it during the events of May 2010. Like the landlord he is, JB may have sub-leased 30 minutes of SG's time to someone within the OIBA community who for some reason felt it was safe to share his lethal brand of playtime.

I don't know what MP had the capability accomplishing that morning, I can only analyze information that we do have and is believed to be good.

 

[MarshaRice]

Hello Marsha,

I would like your feedback on the decision to display for attention the second manorville dismemberment victim, Jessica Taylor. For the first time, just yesterday I went to the 2 locations where these 2 sets of remains were deposited. (pictures from yesterday are attached)

With the first victim there was more effort to hide the remains within the woods near the intersection of Mill Road and Halsey Manor Rd.

The second victim Jessica Taylor, was deposited 3 years later and only 1000 feet away from the first. After my experience yesterday, I have no doubt that the killer was more confident in using the area and made a conscious decision to display his gruesome act, seemingly for attention.

I believe that the killer wisely chose Mill Rd. because he wouldn't be seen by anyone there in the middle of the night and that in a shallow grave of growth, brush, leaves, etc. the remains wouldn't likely be found for at least a few days, if not weeks or months. Then in 2003 he decides there really is no one around this area in the middle of the night so it is a great place to unload, but I want people to see what I did to this victim.

Actually, I need to add the possibility, and my entire post may now be moot, the dirt trails/dirt roads off of Mill Rd. that have been utilized by 4x4 trucks look to be intentionally blocked by large logs or trees. The killer may simply have come back to this location thinking he could drive into the woods a bit and dump the remains only to realize that he could no longer drive off the road into any of the trails so in a panic used the service road to the sump.

If in fact the body were purposefully displayed, that is even further evidence towards disorganization and probable psychosis as opposed to organized. In my opinion, however, I just don't think that Ms. Taylor's remains were put where they were to be purposefully put on display, I think that they were just dumped carelessly and without much thought at all. It is impossible to make any solid judgement with any sort of weight due to the fact that we do not have crime scenes, only dump sites, but I am basing the disorganization on two things: 1. The dismemberment itself, and 2. The fact that the bodies and body parts were not disposed of in a more thorough manner. If these bodies/body parts had actually been buried as a more organized killer would have done, or if they had been taken to a less public place within driving distance, these bodies/body parts would probably have never been discovered. I don't think that the Manorville and Long Island body dump sites for those other than the 4 girls at Gilgo were chosen for any particular reason other than they just happen to be areas that this offender passed by when going from one place to the next, they looked a little secluded, and he dumped them.

 

[KPCrimeNY]

It is a complex web indeed. Assumptions must be made before a thorough analysis can be done. For this answer, I am making the assumption that the party responsible for all of the G4, is also responsible for SG. Since we know by which method most of the G4 were non-confrontationally abducted, and we know SG was not abducted in that same manner, we should be able to conclude that SG's vanishing within oak beach wasn't the typical procedure for the killer and may not have been planned. If either JB or MP had intentions to harm, sell, or kill SG, they certainly didn't act like it during the events of May 2010. Like the landlord he is, JB may have sub-leased 30 minutes of SG's time to someone within the OIBA community who for some reason felt it was safe to share his lethal brand of playtime.

I don't know what MP had the capability accomplishing that morning, I can only analyze information that we do have and is believed to be good.

I hear you and thanks again.

So I guess this one would be for people in the know about the neighborhood and the relationships. Regarding SG's night only. Is it possible that JB, CPH & GC could have all been in that house that night?

 

[MarshaRice]

Firstly, could someone please verify the correct spelling of Ms. Gilbert's first name? I have seen it spelled at least 4 different ways and am unsure of the actual correct spelling. I don't want to appear in any way disrespectful of Ms. Gilbert by not spelling her name correctly, so if anyone knows the correct spelling, please let me know.

Secondly, in my behavioral observations, "profile" of the offender(s) I did not include Shannan Gilbert because I do not consider her to be related to the other two offenders. This does not mean that I find her death any less disturbing and it does not mean that I do not think that there is a lot more to what happened to her than is being revealed, but it just means that I really do not think that her demise is related to the other cases. In my research I have found that there is a lot of shady stuff going on on Long Island, particularly related to sex trade workers, and it is my opinion that this had a hand in Shannan's death, but I am also of the opinion that drugs played a role. The behaviors that she displayed in her call to 911 and afterward are textbook for stimulant related paranoia/overdose.

These are just my observations and I mean no disrespect to anyone by expressing them. Whatever the circumstances of Shannan's death, whatever mistakes she made in her life, we must never forget that without her the remains of 10 murder victims probably would have gone unrecognized. Ms. Gilbert has been a point of light through this whole mess and wherever she is in Heaven right now, I would like to thank her for all those people who can't.

 

[Samantha Spade]

Awww man! This is a tough crowd. You guys can be brutal!