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[hawkshaw]

LL - what is real scary is your POI is just as good as a 1000 others. We can make most anyone fit and make it look good. They tried it with the nursery owner, and failed because too many people were watching, i.e., Blog Boards like WS. The crazy thing about that is the guy just might have been involved but they screwed it up.

You folks from out of NY have no idea how sick these people are in Suffolk.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

LL - what is real scary is your POI is just as good as a 1000 others. We can make most anyone fit and make it look good. They tried it with the nursery owner, and failed because too many people were watching, i.e., Blog Boards like WS. The crazy thing about that is the guy just might have been involved but they screwed it up.

You folks from out of NY have no idea how sick these people are in Suffolk.

Good point Hawk. As far i know, my poi is the only one to post here & at utopiag

 

[LINative13]

OK I will stop in on my way home from work.. Just to get this straight I am looking for a guy whos personality changes when they drink? Got it.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

OK I will stop in on my way home from work.. Just to get this straight I am looking for a guy whos personality changes when they drink? Got it.

That's the only thing you got from all that? A+ for Reading comprehension skills :aktion:

edit: PS like you dont already stop at lace every night hehe :therethere:

 

[Emre E]

Dave Schaller told me back in November of 2013 that
Her address on her welfare case Medicaid was Schaller's so they put two and two together

Can you please elaborate on that? How did the detectives know to go to Schaller?

 

[deedee21]

OK I will stop in on my way home from work.. Just to get this straight I am looking for a guy whos personality changes when they drink? Got it.

Your a funny guy.

 

[deedee21]

Im sure Lorraine applied common sense in realizing her daughter had her phone with her when she left the hotel.

 

[Emre E]

MEN AND GIRLS

Here's the description of the crime committed by a NJ Sex Offender.

"OFFENDER AND CO-OFFENDER BROKE INTO A MOTEL ROOM"

Two guys break into a motel room and assault the female, a perfect summary of what I believe happened to John Doe 2000 - Jane Doe 2000 and Jessica Taylor and John Doe 2003.

I'm not going to delve into the details one more time why I theorize these couples are killed and dumped together, but basically that's what I think. So, where does the dismemberment fit into this? Why guns are not used? Why the guys are not dismembered?



Although media dubs the killer(s) the "Manorville Butcher" they are not simply "butchering". What they are doing is what I call "Forensic Dismemberment", that is dismemberment is not made for fun, it's carried out for a purpose.

Now, there are myriads of techniques that may essentially fall into the category of dismemberment. Without examining the cuts and the style with a medical examiner's eye it's hard to tell for me, for anybody, which dismemberment cases are connected. So, to theorize connection between cases I have to add some other parameters, including location, victimology, timeline of events etc.

But one thing is certain for me, killing someone and dismembering the bodies are not the same. Not all killers can do that with ease. I theorized here way earlier about who would be so comfortable with bodies and has the knowledge to remove the identification parts (fingerprints and head)? I believe that is someone with past experience. That may be either an army member with combat experience, like in Iraq Campaign 90 or personal experience through brushes with law.

Jessica Taylor's body was found kind of fresh. Same goes for Jane Doe 2000. Peaches Doe was found probably within 24 hours of disposal. Naked torsos of these women clearly indicate they were sexually assaulted. Did LE find any DNA evidence? I think no. They may have been doused with chemicals or forced/sweettalked to bathe themselves or washed post mortem, or DNA evidence was not deposited in the first place.

Now, combining the two above, I believe the person(s) responsible for the killings may have military (combat) background with knowledge of DNA evidence, either personally through prior convictions or through conviction(s) of a third party (i.e. a friend).

These above suggestions can have truth in them to certain degree, but the fact is he/they/LISK Crew/The Band of Bandits dismember the girls but not the men. Why is that?

Because the identities of the Johns don't tell anything about them. But the girls' identities mean a lot. I believe LISK crew usually hangs out around pimps and street walkers. LE may pull the lead to find them in the end, if the hookers are identified. Lucky for the Band nobody pulled the lead so hard so far.

In my opinion it is a wise way to regard the crimes especially in the period from 1996 (Fire Island Lady) to The Asian Male (2005) with this perspective. That is, if the Band feels the identity of the victim may pose a risk, they do the dismemberment.

Another point is, when the bodies are dismembered, they may not be using their own vehicles. Jane Doe 2000 and Jessica Taylor were prostitutes leaving their spots with the John, probably on his vehicle. On Dark Minds episode Jessica Taylor referred as "Last seen leaving in a car". I believe this car is then abandoned somewhere in Brooklyn, just as Eve Eskin Brown's car.

What happens when there's no car or when there's no time to take the ride? I believe dumpsters and empty lots in East New York probably served the LISK crew good in several occasions.

Why not guns? I theorize more than one person. So as long as they can keep the male victim under control, they do not prefer to use the gun, which I believe they must have in the first place to take the upper hand in the beginning of the attack. In the cases of Men & Girls they probably did not use the gun because they were in a motel, a parking lot, an abandoned house in Brooklyn when they busted the victims. Did they ever use gun(s)? I believe they did.

Let me present a few cases to examine the possible connection.

 

[LR1]

How did the detectives know to go to Schaller?

Maybe they got a fingerprint match if she had one on file. Depending on the conditions and amount of decay, they have techniques to develop them for some time postmortem.

 

[hawkshaw]

All that I am saying is there are plenty of murderers to go around. Even the killers run out of spots to dump bodies. I couldn't even imagine how many bodies have been dumped in the swampy areas surrounding JFK.

 

[deedee21]

All that I am saying is there are plenty of murderers to go around. Even the killers run out of spots to dump bodies. I couldn't even imagine how many bodies have been dumped in the swampy areas surrounding JFK.

The same would appiy to Pelham Bay in the Bx.

 

[Emre E]

I believe when this case is unraveled the lisk's victim count will be much higher than is currently believed. This guys a monster.

Is that word play?

 

[Emre E]

Emre here's an interesting development I've just uncovered. Patrick Alford was a 7 year old who went missing from the Spring Creek Developement Home in East New York in 2010. The Spring Creek Developement home is RIGHT NEXT to the lot where Eve Brown's body was found!
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/a/alford_patrick.html

I am of the of the opinion that the LISK targets children example John Valentine.

Maybe. I can only hope he is fine.

List of people I'm interested in are
1. The guy who robbed Maureen Brainard Barnes
2. The guy who was found carrying Melissa Barthelemy's "second" phone
3. The guy who was found carrying Eve Eskin Brown's phone
4. The guy who arranged a meeting with Rashawn Brazzel (along with the guy who called Rashawn's brother)
5. The "potential" guy who arranged a meeting with Thalia Stathis. (i.e. I believe there may be a contact in her phone records)

 

[Emre E]

All that I am saying is there are plenty of murderers to go around. Even the killers run out of spots to dump bodies. I couldn't even imagine how many bodies have been dumped in the swampy areas surrounding JFK.

I agree with you. When a detective is looking into an individual case at the time the body was discovered he may not be able to see connections right off the bat, particularly before the computerized systems were made widely available. If it is a random crime I can imagine how much time and energy the detectives must spend as a consequence of the classic "eliminate the acquaintances" rule and by the time they managed to do that, I bet there's already more cases on the desk waiting to be solved. LISK may have eluded through the cracks of the LE system.

Particularly in dismemberment cases, Medical Examiners can reexamine the autopsy photos to suggest sound connections in unsolved cases.

 

[LINative13]

it sounds like people are trying to pin every murder in new york since the son of sam on the LISK.

 

[hawkshaw]

it sounds like people are trying to pin every murder in new york since the son of sam on the LISK.

Why not, LIN, the cops do it all the time. I should say some of the time. Once they have a chump to pin it all on they don't stop.

Take the EW character. He is doing time in a Fed Prison with the earliest release date of 2045. SCPD tried to put him into every crime that couldn't solve. It didn't matter that he was in jail for many of them.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Lilo's LISK profile:

Late 40's early 50's
alcoholic/drug user (was he drunk on calls or really high on painkillers?)
obsessive phone caller, constantly calling especially women (possibly ripper69 from utopiaguide who reportedly called one escort 15x per day:Ok now I know who you are ripper 69 this guy calls my phone along with another 631 guy ...not talking about you C or J , the number you call me from adleast 15x a day . EVERY day that I have been here source: http://utopiaguide.com/forums/threa...g-today-about-fricking-time-heh.16596/page-25 see post #23 (ripper69...hm.....as in jacktheripper and he calls 15x a day with a 631 area code....must be looked into
that brings us to the next point: LISK studied serial killers....likes the jack the ripper, loves true crime
{note: there was a story around 2011 about a woman who was approached on Long Island mall (Massapequa?) who said a man with strange eyes told her she would be the next LISK victim. He was holding a book about True Crime Movies. Can anyone track down this news report or possibly try to pinpoint what book this could be? The article actually had the exact name of the book. which brings us to the next point.....}
.....Large true crime library and film collection
Owns the Anne Marie Fahey movie "And never let her go"
watches NCIS with Mark Harmon who is also in above movie
Shops at walmart possibly the one on sunrise highway in Massapequa Park
Has a reason to be on Ocean Parkway
utopiaguide member
spends all free time looking for prostitutes
frequents the edison strip for streetwalkers and frequents the brothel/stripjoints Cherri Bombs/ show world
Has an arrest for soliciting a prostitute ( he frequents them too much to have not got caught up at least once)
Knows every streetwalker from the last 20 years who was active on LI (again this is his main focus in life: prostitutes)
has a burner phone for prostitution also known as a "monger phone"
uses free internet dating sites
Possibly lives in Nassau county (massapequa) and dumps in suffolk to hinder investigation
likes transexuals, crossdressing prostitutes
drives from LI to NYC to look for prostitutes
Functioning Alcoholic...does he frequent brewers liquor store on higbie lane? Drinks at local bars in massapequa/seaford area
would the LISK be bald or shave hair from body to eliminate the chances of his dna getting on the bodies/burlap from his hair??
spends ALOT of time driving in his car...goes for long car rides out to manorville
involved with horses...there are ALOT of stables and horses in Manorvilles
menial job blue collar possibly transit worker in nyc and commutes to work for mta/transit worker/port authority?
prank phone caller
disney collector
past LILCO worker? LILCO used to be next to JT manorville dump site
Possibly works in Sump drainage
Jewelry is significant to LISK...why leave/put jewelry on Baby and Mother, leave pig necklace on lattington and Hands of Gold jewelry keychain on Brentwood kid?
Possibly has access to jewelry that he puts on victims as red herring...if the jewelry actually belonged to the victims that suggested very low IQ/intelligence on the part of LISK for leaving clues that could lead to identification
Racist racist racist!
Possibly grew up near poospatuck reservation and attended William Floyd Hi Skool in Mastic because of the bittrolff connection and because half-breed would be a term used their specifically used to refer to native americans from the rez there
Possible tattoo fetish or atleast focuses heavily on tattoo's (Cherries (shannan had cherries), peaches, Remi's angel sliced up, Jane Doe had a tattoo that fitzpatrick wont release...what was it...an apple? realize tattoo you bumbling chief wiggum!, Focused and knew about Johnny Terry's back tattoo, how did he know this had he seen it?
Has a connection to East New York (of note possible drifter THY has a connection to ENY) note2: I think drifter is LISK by simple "penchant for strip clubs" Means all he does is monger in polite terms
Could any of the unidentified victims be runaways from poospatuck reservation? Maybe the males? Bittrolff, Vision Ministries husband and Kim Raffo all grew up only blocks from poospatuck reservation
bird watcher (loner)
has tattoos...a good chance he has amickey mouse or a disney tattoo...check the local tattoo parlors close to massapequa and ask for a frequent customer with a mickey mouse tattoo

theres nothing new in this profile, no new revelations. This is a more a refresher albeit very scattered and poorly organized and probably useless like almost all profiles. However i think the main focus and the best bet for catching the LISK is starting with the obsessive phone calls. This should be highly publicized in Massapequa area that the LISK has ocd phone calling disorder. https://sites.google.com/site/longislandocdsupportnetwork/ i'd start with ripper69 who clearly patronizes prostitutes on Long Island and calls them 15x a day and has a serial killer username! A great person to start with....wouldnt be surprised if ripper69 was a member here as this seems to be the place where utopiaguide come to post.

 

[Emre E]

it sounds like people are trying to pin every murder in new york since the son of sam on the LISK.

There's a guy who at least raped and strangled four women, or in my opinion there's a Band who killed at least 12 people including a baby;

a) This guy never killed any other time, any other place
b) There's a possibility that this guy may have committed other homicides

To me "b" sounds more reasonable

 

[cpaul]

The Lisk is responsible for four. The Lisk is a team, a male and female team. The female is the dominate one.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

The Lisk is responsible for four. The Lisk is a team, a male and female team. The female is the dominate one.

is this "inside info" or just a theory? if LISK is ony responsible for gilgo 4....then who killed all the other people?