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I've always thought the LISK case was closer to the Ivan Milat murders than to Gary Ridgway. Not considering the prostitute angle, mind you.


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I have quite a few theories, but one of them is --that the Lisk may have been a friend to one of the victims' brothers ( a victim murdered in the 1980's). Though friend may not be the right word.
 
I have quite a few theories, but one of them is --that the Lisk may have been a friend to one of the victims' brothers ( a victim murdered in the 1980's). Though friend may not be the right word.

Who was killed in the 80s?
 
I have quite a few theories, but one of them is --that the Lisk may have been a friend to one of the victims' brothers ( a victim murdered in the 1980's). Though friend may not be the right word.

I would love to hear more....
 
I haven't read everything - but i will. Someone here sent me in to read, and it took me forever to work up the nerve.

I'm a sex worker. i was "working" in NYC when this began and bodies started popping up. The company i worked for would not send anyone out that way for awhile but then started to, although they devised a system for safety.

most of these women appear to be backpage and CL providers. If they were with a company, the company wouldn't talk but they also wouldn't send girls out to men that didn't pay. KWIM? I doubt it's regarding a service not being rendered. i'm sure the killer got his rocks off, but probably became creepy and the women trusted their guts and attempted to bolt.

I once had a wise madame tell me "You will get yourself in trouble if you ignore your gut and go with your greed". This is a job. It may not agree with everyone but it is a job. If your bills are due and things are mounting up on you, you may take a client that you didn't screen properly or see people with your rate lowered (aka "specials") you may post on the sites I mentioned verses steering clear of them. it's well known that a bust will happen if you're posting there. it's a chance that some are willing to take due to financial issues.

im going to read through this and see if I can shed some light onto things, if there's any questions for me - i'm open to answering them. (regarding the lifestyle). but typically the type that beat up girls, rape them, even murder - are doing it for ego issues. Anyone that's worked this industry that's had a "John" who's turned on them will all remark that he appeared "normal" but switched gears as soon as the act was overwith. Sometimes they want to pull off the condom, sometimes they don't want to pay and attempt to take the money back (you get your money up front). Sometimes they let you keep the funds but they want to beat you up. After all, to some (and I stress SOME) believe they bought you and can do whatever it is that they want to do. Unless these men are put on blacklisted websites where girls screen - they will continue. i can almost promise you, he's on a list that we all check. I bet you. And the ones that he seeks out don't screen and he can spot the ones that are in a bind for money. He probably trolls the websites and calls around, seems sincere and says the right things. if the woman doesn't ask the certain questions to screen him... he's not booking from a hotel, *IE residential*, uses an alias that sounds legitimate, uses a provider reference that's well known but high volume so she may not remember him... he's in. he may even send a driver.

People like this are not uncommon, murdering is but a "robbing" type is not. Can anyone update me privately if any names were tossed around? I can search lists for it. He's probably started out seeing women on various forums and using sites like eros. he's trolling other sites because people refused him. I'd almost swear to it.
 
Thank you AstroKitty. Welcome. I bet you are spot on.

@CM, I will explain more when I get to a keyboard. I have a hard time typing on this thing. it is nothing ground breaking or specific.
 
Thanks Astro!. Is there anyway you can link us to that list you mention? As for the 'driver' idea.....Is this something that is done often?
 
Thanks Astro!. Is there anyway you can link us to that list you mention? As for the 'driver' idea.....Is this something that is done often?

I've had requests for the sites with blacklists. I can NOT link those. They are for safety of people, if I linked it - it would compromise everyone. Every bad client would find his name and know we know his MO. I only brought it up to show that we do screen, we do have a support network etc. It's not a public database. If anyone has stats on the guy, an assumed location - even a name, I can run it.

All agencies employ drivers. The girls pay them a cut. Usually drivers take 2 girls a night and you go from the start of the shift till the end of the shift. This way you have transportation, drop off and pick up. You have someone who can save you if you're getting robbed, or hurt. These are not pimps, they are just drivers. It's safer than a taxi, and costs a hell of a lot less.

Not all girls use drivers, and not all agencies require it. But the ones with drivers get the best calls because they can be there quickly and the angecy knows they are available.
 
Regarding Jessica Taylor: I know exactly the area by Port Authority that she worked. I used to buy fabric over there. There is a methadone clinic near by and pimps stand on a certain street, almost in a line. People sell their methadone out there too (day and night). there are a few shops that sell "pimp suits" and a pizza burger joint where people hang. I had assumed she worked that area long before i looked a photo of her right there.

I could tell from her mugshot that she has a dope issue (heroin). Even though dope is available right there - I can't see her purchasing it. Pimps strong arm your money and heroin in that area is pricy compared to hunts point or East Harlem. But she may have been on the "program" and going to the clinic there as well as chipping off.

As far as how "pick ups" work for street girls in that area: I want to point out something. The traffic is BAD and conjested through there with cops, cabs and tourists. Men typically take you to their spot, not where the girl wants to go (out of fear of being set up).

Street girls are street wise. They are NOT going to be over powered easily. That's why some "Johns" will keep a dose in their car (of drugs). Because sometimes girls attempt to rob them by saying "Give me the money now so I can get a fix, I'm sick". And then the john's take them to score and the girls fail to return. So a few wise ones keep it in their car so there's no "excuse".

With that in mind, how did he subdue her? I say this because Jessica had a pimp. She would NOT have left the area. She would NOT have been gone more than 30 minutes. She definitely would NOT have traveled to LI.

So did this guy have locks that were tampered with? Did he get her in the car and then say "I'm a cop and you're busted?" - put cuffs on her, toss her in the back and drive her out to LI? He got her out there somehow and if you can figure out how - then you have his MO.
 
Astro,
You said that drivers are there to help you if you get robbed or for your own safty. Do you have any insight as to why SG would have ran from MP when JB was unwilling to pay her. Or why she was still hiding from him when he was driving around looking for her?
I understand she may or may not have been on drugs. But has any of the drivers you know been known to get mean or turn on any of the girls that would make her fear him?
Also, thank you for coming on here and helping out. Your insight is very intresting.
 
Astro,
You said that drivers are there to help you if you get robbed or for your own safty. Do you have any insight as to why SG would have ran from MP when JB was unwilling to pay her. Or why she was still hiding from him when he was driving around looking for her?
I understand she may or may not have been on drugs. But has any of the drivers you know been known to get mean or turn on any of the girls that would make her fear him?
Also, thank you for coming on here and helping out. Your insight is very intresting.

I don't know these initials...
But I'm sure some drivers are less than savory. the only thing I can think, is that she wasn't paid and she freaked out. Anyone know the agency she worked for?
 
I think that, generally, lists like that don't use the gals' real names:

<modsnip> They use the clients name and if a client had ACCESS then it defeats the purpose. It also lists time/date and activity. And linking blacklists on a thread where a serial killer who kills prostitutes may LURK is not very wise.
 
I don't know these initials...
But I'm sure some drivers are less than savory. the only thing I can think, is that she wasn't paid and she freaked out. Anyone know the agency she worked for?

Sorry about that. SG is Shannon Gilber. MP is Michel Pack her driver. And from what I know they were independent. JB was the John who hired Shannon Gilbert.
 
I just found one of those lists. Reports of john's being crazy, abusive, stealing, attempted rape are all over. The list I reviewed was for NYC/LI. You need to have a paid membership to view details. As per Astro's comment, I will not post the link.
 
I have quite a few theories, but one of them is --that the Lisk may have been a friend to one of the victims' brothers ( a victim murdered in the 1980's). Though friend may not be the right word.

Would be interested in hearing this Sam
 
Please do not share the link here! I know of ONE that's able to be googled (don't pay for the membership guys, it's a rip off) but it's not "legit". The ones that are don't leave a trace. But the ones you guys are seeing probably hold real info from people we don't allow access to on our board, so if you expose it here - and someone is trolling and reading, and is a potential bad john - they will change the way they act to not get caught or end up on the list. I just don't want to see things compromised. I wish people understood the severity of doing something like that. But then again - most don't care.

*realize if you pay for a membership or if you're visiting that website - your information is compromised. That website is not ran by working girls - it's ran by a different group, one that is up to zero good. It's easy to make up things or take information from random websites that have a "ladies only" section of verified escorts - and make a database. I'm going to shut up about this as the point is moot.

I have no idea why I'm getting attitude tossed at me either. I came here to help, because unless you do this for a living, you do NOT have the full picture. I am here to shed light and be of help so that assumptions are made and imaginations don't take over - and maybe just maybe something good can come from sleuthing.
 
& please use discretion with low post count members who want lists, information and other things. THINK ABOUT IT. Do you really want to potentially get that site taken down (if there IS legit info there) and girls end up raped, robbed or killed? DO you want predators to be aware of such things and buy a membership to sleuth themselves and hurt girls in ways they dont' get caught?

Please think about the potential of harm. PLEASE
 
When it comes to info about bad John's, I say sing it out!

:banghead: yes because that'll help. Not too mention that sometimes girls get mad at various clients because they start seeing their competition - so the post false reviews of rob reports or rapes. It happens!

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