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fred&edna said:
But there is this news... "Lost Girls"

Based on author Robert Kolker’s best-selling true crime novel of the same name, the film will have its world premiere on January 28 at the 2020 Sundance Film Festival and will be available for streaming on March 13.

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The book Lost Girls put faces on the victims and showed the world that they were and are actual human beings, daughters, mothers and sisters worthy of love, respect and dignity. The movie stands to reach a much larger audience that might include someone who holds the missing piece to this puzzle.

Maybe someone who never gave this case a second thought will have a memory triggered by the movie; maybe something will make them think hey, that reminds me of...
 
beckyb2201 said:
did the police commissioner ever state where the belt was found.....on a victim, or just nearby.
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Nope. She wouldn’t comment on where or specifically when it was found, saying only that it was discovered during the initial phase of the investigation. Likewise, she wouldn’t comment on the belt’s size or condition.
 
oh here I was assuming the lettering was from a belt buckle but if it was embossed on the belt, possibly even on the inside, then the belt might not be as memorable as I thought
 
Very good points mentioned in another thread about belt details no one had noticed yet -
marble said:
OK- bear with me this may be totally off base:
but I looked closely at the photos again. This is described as a black belt in the press conference. However, the photos are a browny-red color with blue-ish text. The blue cast of the letters is interesting (does anyone remember the blue/white dress photo?) I am thinking there's some similar color casts going on with this photo. Is it crazy to wonder if the part of the belt with the initials (or maybe the belt itself) wasn't found after all and this is an impression possibly on the victim with dusting revealing the imprints of letters instead? I can't find it now but I swear I read that they didn't know whether the belt's letters were painted on or embossed. Maybe this is why? Maybe flakes from the belt were recovered so they know the color but perhaps they don't actually know details like the size of the belt or placement?
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Link to thread where quote was copied from - Will the Long Island Serial Killer ever be caught?

So why are we seeing browny-red colour of belt when it is clearly described by police as black? Deteriation over the years due to elements or something else?

Why would police own forensic specialists not know if letters are painted or embossed? There must be reason and it would not be due to their lack of knowledge. Great point by Marble, and no idea about the answer.

And another valid point about size/length of the belt which they refused to disclose - yes, maybe only part of the belt was found. Maybe belt snapped in the murder process or while drugging the victim body to the location by belt? Or some other reason why full photo of belt was not shown, maybe it just was not possible?

The blue/white dress photo - I don't recall this but maybe someone else here does and can enlighten us?

Posting photo again for reference

gilgo-photograph.jpg
 
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fred&edna said:
Appellate court judge hasn't made a ruling on it in a year.
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The case is scheduled to be heard before the 2nd Department of the Appellate Division here in NY on 1/20/2020. It is #15 on the court's calendar.

ETA link to calendar to be heard that day:
https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/se...er-pnlResultContainer-pnlResult-1-lnkDocument

We won't know until that day whether actual oral arguments will be taking place before the Court or whether the appeal will be heard on submission of the papers only. Either way, anyone can watch that morning on the website:

Appellate Division - Second Judicial Department

Scroll down - on the left you'll see "Oral Argument Live" - and can click to open.

Typically, a decision comes down anywhere from months to a year after the motion is submitted, depending on the complexity of the case.
 
wonderme12 said:
The case is scheduled to be heard before the 2nd Department of the Appellate Division here in NY on 1/20/2020. It is #15 on the court's calendar.

ETA link to calendar to be heard that day:
https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/se...er-pnlResultContainer-pnlResult-1-lnkDocument

We won't know until that day whether actual oral arguments will be taking place before the Court or whether the appeal will be heard on submission of the papers only. Either way, anyone can watch that morning on the website:

Appellate Division - Second Judicial Department

Scroll down - on the left you'll see "Oral Argument Live" - and can click to open.

Typically, a decision comes down anywhere from months to a year after the motion is submitted, depending on the complexity of the case.
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I think we've been waiting on this since March 2018, so yeah... I guess it's right on schedule.
 
Al Ka said:
Very good points mentioned in another thread about belt details no one had noticed yet -


Link to thread where quote was copied from - Will the Long Island Serial Killer ever be caught?

So why are we seeing browny-red colour of belt when it is clearly described by police as black? Deteriation over the years due to elements or something else?

Why would police own forensic specialists not know if letters are painted or embossed? There must be reason and it would not be due to their lack of knowledge. Great point by Marble, and no idea about the answer.

And another valid point about size/length of the belt which they refused to disclose - yes, maybe only part of the belt was found. Maybe belt snapped in the murder process or while drugging the victim body to the location by belt? Or some other reason why full photo of belt was not shown, maybe it just was not possible?

The blue/white dress photo - I don't recall this but maybe someone else here does and can enlighten us?

Posting photo again for reference

gilgo-photograph.jpg
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The dress photo isn’t case related, it’s regarding the “what color is this dress” photo that went viral on Facebook and Twitter a few years ago. The lighting in the photo was poor so whoever shared the image asked viewers to decide if the dress was white, grey, or blue. I recall the national news doing a story about it (which was most likely followed by a nationwide collective sigh and eye roll).
 
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fred&edna said:
I think we've been waiting on this since March 2018, so yeah... I guess it's right on schedule.
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Just to clarify, this is the date that the motion will be submitted for decision, with or without oral argument.. the decision itself will come down separately, any where from a few months from now to a year.
 
wonderme12 said:
Just to clarify, this is the date that the motion will be submitted for decision, with or without oral argument.. the decision itself will come down separately, any where from a few months from now to a year.
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It seems we've been waiting since 2018 to even arrive at this point. Another year or two of waiting will be about right.

It took 9 years to see some letters on a belt and the news of a decision to allow genealogical testing.
 
I am underwhelmed. The SCPD hold onto the belt for 9 years, and then ask the public for help in identifying?
This might have been a relevant piece of evidence in identifying the owner, but not nine years later.
I wish the SCPD luck, but really.
 
Hmmm..very interesting development..I'd say:
The initials on the belt are strange and unique, I'd remember that if I ever saw it.
The genealogy angle is interesting in that THEY brought it up, why? I pretty much assumed they had no DNA bc if they did they'd already have long ago done what they could have with it. I do not take the SCPD is corrupt and evil stance btw, I believe the vast majority of LE are heroes, and they are desperate to solve this case bc guess what, they know this monster is still out there..could it somehow be one of them? I'm sure that's been looked at long and hard too...
The Shannon Gilbert call, well obviously there is something there that LE feels is important, maybe things only the perp knows..no one, not even fbi seems to think releasing the call is a good idea, so that really makes me wonder wtf..the mystery of this has only deepened.
I do hold out hope for this case bc I NEVER thought they'd get golden state killer (or that he lived 7 miles from my house) and now he's in jail downtown!
I hope someone out there recognizes that belt...
 
It just took me five minutes to look up all of the WH's and HM's who went to my high school (West Islip High School, pretty much due north by a few miles from Gilgo) during the years I think are relevant (high schooler's from 1969 to 1977). There were quite a few males with matching initials (though not my own suspect, of course). It would probably take me weeks to do some checking on each of them to rule them out.

But it wouldn't take me nine years. The constant reevaluating that the Police Chief mentioned is nonsense; LE would've known within months if they could do anything with those initials, and should have released the information to the public a long time ago. So why would they release it now? I can think of only the following choices:
1. Netflix (and Kolker's silly book, and I only make fun of his silly book because I didn't think of writing it). Even more people will now be looking at the Suffolk County Police Department and wondering just how corrupt and negligent they are (even if the film doesn't paint that part in broad strokes). Here they belatedly attempt to show how they're working on the case and reaching out to the public. It's baloney.
2. Netflix (and Kolker's etc). Hey, this movie is gonna debut at Cannes or some such, and Amy Adams (as Mari Gilbert, yeah right) is a big star. Geraldine Hart likes to share some of the spotlight just as much as the next cop: wait till her grand kids see her on TV!
3. Netflix (and, y'know). "You know what would be great for the movie, SPCD? Headlines, that's what. Create some, would ya? The creepier the better!"

That's all I've got.
 
PreciousDust said:
It just took me five minutes to look up all of the WH's and HM's who went to my high school (West Islip High School, pretty much due north by a few miles from Gilgo) during the years I think are relevant (high schooler's from 1969 to 1977). There were quite a few males with matching initials (though not my own suspect, of course). It would probably take me weeks to do some checking on each of them to rule them out.

But it wouldn't take me nine years. The constant reevaluating that the Police Chief mentioned is nonsense; LE would've known within months if they could do anything with those initials, and should have released the information to the public a long time ago. So why would they release it now? I can think of only the following choices:
1. Netflix (and Kolker's silly book, and I only make fun of his silly book because I didn't think of writing it). Even more people will now be looking at the Suffolk County Police Department and wondering just how corrupt and negligent they are (even if the film doesn't paint that part in broad strokes). Here they belatedly attempt to show how they're working on the case and reaching out to the public. It's baloney.
2. Netflix (and Kolker's etc). Hey, this movie is gonna debut at Cannes or some such, and Amy Adams (as Mari Gilbert, yeah right) is a big star. Geraldine Hart likes to share some of the spotlight just as much as the next cop: wait till her grand kids see her on TV!
3. Netflix (and, y'know). "You know what would be great for the movie, SPCD? Headlines, that's what. Create some, would ya? The creepier the better!"

That's all I've got.
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Completely agree.. also, i can't help but wonder - LISK appears to have been so meticulous (as far as we know anyway - no knowledge of other evidence DNA etc having been released to the public). It seems so unlikely for LISK to leave an object with such a "personal" stamp on it behind.
 
"It seems so unlikely for LISK to leave an object with such a "personal" stamp on it behind."

Seems impossible, since LISK isn't dumb. LE has said that a "partial ligature" was found on one of the Gilgo 4, and I'd have to conclude that this belt, or part of belt, is that ligature. Otherwise LE wouldn't be confident that LISK "handled" it, as if it was just lying around near or even under one of the bodies it wouldn't be compelling evidence (just something that could have been tossed there by an unrelated party). So it seems hard to imagine a serial killer using a weapon with his own initials on it. Now, putting those initials there as a statement to somebody else, that could have merit...
 
Could LISK be accessing the link?
imo, speculation.
Victims
Gilgo Beach cold case investigators unveil piece of evidence, seek help via new website
''Hart also announced that Suffolk County officials are launching their own website, GilgoNews.com, for ongoing updates in the case and as a way to crowdsource new tips from the public that could lead to an arrest.

“We remain steadfast in our commitment to deliver justice and in doing so give a sense of closure,” Hart said.

As of early Thursday afternoon, Gilgo News was experiencing technical difficulties and was not accessible by the public.''
 
dotr said:
Having trouble today accessing the Gilgo News site and thinking that while many would likely attempt to reach that site of course, but could it be that LISK himself is jamming the link?
imo, speculation.
Gilgo Beach cold case investigators unveil piece of evidence, seek help via new website
''Hart also announced that Suffolk County officials are launching their own website, GilgoNews.com, for ongoing updates in the case and as a way to crowdsource new tips from the public that could lead to an arrest.

“We remain steadfast in our commitment to deliver justice and in doing so give a sense of closure,” Hart said.

As of early Thursday afternoon, Gilgo News was experiencing technical difficulties and was not accessible by the public.''
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This works for me

Gilgo News
 
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