Prosecutor Juan Martinez releases new book, February 2016 - #2

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@Hope4More, "And yet…..her story is she took pics in the shower, he looked at them, she deleted what he didn’t like, over and over and over, for 8 minutes. Without knowing how to delete photos on his camera? And, though JM doesn’t even have to say it, there are no other shower pics. She couldn’t have deleted pics with or without TA’s participation."

You forgot to mention, the timestamps don't support the time that would have taken either.
 
Sorry, but I don't remember this... but could they tell "what kind of knife" :jail: used on Travis? You know, on shows like Bones - they can "tell" what kind of knife inflicted wounds?

IIRC Either Flores or JM made clear that they didn't know how many knives were involved. Maybe the interrogation?

I would guess that TA's body was so decomposed, it was impossible to determine what kind of knife was used or how many.
 
@Hope4More, "And yet…..her story is she took pics in the shower, he looked at them, she deleted what he didn’t like, over and over and over, for 8 minutes. Without knowing how to delete photos on his camera? And, though JM doesn’t even have to say it, there are no other shower pics. She couldn’t have deleted pics with or without TA’s participation."

You forgot to mention, the timestamps don't support the time that would have taken either.


Yes, there's even more I could have included, but would welcome any feedback about what is there.

Unless I've drawn the wrong conclusions from all that piecing together, for me it was pretty significant whether or not Travis was OK with her taking the photos.

If he was, then sex earlier in the day was more likely, even probable. Given that he absolutely was not, IMO, then I'm entirely convinced they did not have sex that day, that the reason she couldn't commit to a timeline was because she invented a whole day that did not happen, and that she had to invent a day that included sex that didn't happen either.

She couldn't admit to bringing sex pics to put on his camera without admitting premed and more. But put them on there she did. Yah, IMO.
 
PART 2

THE SHOWER, ETC.



VERSION #4

Manifesto, July (?) 2008.

“With Travis’s permission, I took pictures of him in the shower. Those were tasteful shots, from the waist up. We were going for a Calvin Klein ad kind of look. Travis had been working hard on sculpting his body and getting ready for the summer, and as a result felt very comfortable in his skin.”

(Note: Story Version, the last she’ll give before trial. She’s thought more about her story. She’s settled on the ninjas story, so the how and why of a Travis shower photo shoot isn’t her focus, it’s just a prelude to the murder by ninjas whopper that follows next.

She’s edited out any mention of Cancun—went back to the Calvin Klein ad photoshoot version, and the photo taking is presented as a joint idea).

No wonder she couldn’t keep her stories straight at trial.

Day 25, part 1, David Lohr.

BTW, she completely refuses to give him even approx.. times or a sequence of events for anything she did between the last sex pic at 1:45pm and when he got into the shower. More on that in another post. 

She does agree to his timeline about where Travis was up until the time of shower. Woke up, had sex, went downstairs to look at CD’s, had sex in the office. She says she went to take a shower in his bathroom, when she came back down Travis was still in the office.

“At some point he went up to take a shower….”

Digression, completely related, about shaving.

Here’s where JM plays the Flores tape over and over, where she says it took a lot of convincing “ prior when he was shaving.”

She keeps saying the convincing was about having to convince him another time to let her take the shaving pic he ended up using as a profile pic. That the convincing wasn’t about letting her take the shower pics on June 4; that they had discussed THAT “long before,” and he had agreed to them.

JM asks- so he had shaven before shower pics? She said no. Jodith looks down and adds sadly, “he didn’t shave at all that day.”

JM whips out the pic of Travis sitting down in shower, cleanly shaven.

She has already agreed to a timeline which made it impossible for Travis to have shaven at any time before the shower pics, and yet…..he had.

She has also said that she didn’t try to convince Travis while he was shaving to take the shower pics, that the convincing she was talking about was having to convince him to take the shaving pics in January.

Remember now her telling him in April that she wanted to redo the shaving photoshoot, that she was sure she could make him look better?

He shaved that day, without her taking photos of it, and yet she takes photos of him in the shower. In other words, IMO, either she has asked and he didn’t give her permission to take shaving pics much less pics of him in the shower, or he has shaven at some point in the day that isn’t convenient for her to fit in with her story about what happened that day before the shower.

Perhaps there are conclusions to be drawn as well about her story of oral sex that day being uncomfortable because he hadn’t shaven?


Back to the shower.


Yep, she has 2 (interrelated) problems now with her shower testimony and she’s about to acquire some more.

1. She had to convince Travis to get in the shower, VS. oh no, he was OK with getting in the shower.
2. It was HER idea that they take shower pics (CKlein look) VS. it was his idea or a shared idea (buff body, Cancun).

If it was HIS idea, why would she need to convince him to get in the shower?
If it was HER idea, why was she taking the photos? On his camera?

Oops. The only reason for taking the photos on his camera is because HE wanted them, and therefore she shouldn’t have had to convince him, and yet….there it is, Flores tapes: Yah, I asked him if I could take Cklein like pics and he said NO! Flores: yah, he looked uncomfortable at first.

Another oops, though it goes by fast and JM doesn’t follow after it. During the section when JM is asking about whether or not she has ever seen TA’s camera before she says- Yes.

“ I saw a pic he posted on FB of himself, his whole body, posing in the bathroom, and his new camera is clearly visible. “

Umm. He’s already taken that pre-Cancun buff body photo himself? Didn’t need her to do it? And....he’s posted it on FB to show off his buff body, ready for Cancun to everyone? And she by her own admission has not only seen it, but remembers it well enough to think of it when JM is asking her about her familiarity with TA’s camera. Hmm.

The at this point probably thinks the worst is over about the before murder shower thing. She couldn’t be more wrong.

JM is…no words describe. This whole cross is one of the most brilliant in the trial.

He’s already laid the foundation about her unfamiliarity with TA’s camera, including, how awful for her, the fact she’s never deleted pics from it. She senses the danger a few questions later, but it’s too late. She can equivocate all she wants and try to backtrack (oh I MIGHT have helped Travis delete those sex pics. I just don’t remember, really).

And yet…..her story is she took pics in the shower, he looked at them, she deleted what he didn’t like, over and over and over, for 8 minutes. Without knowing how to delete photos on his camera? And, though JM doesn’t even have to say it, there are no other shower pics. She couldn’t have deleted pics with or without TA’s participation.

Why this lie? She is trying to make it appear she had his consent and approval. She did not.

On to the last point, which IMO ties all these like strands together with one great big bow, which is why JM saved it for last before moving on to the murder itself.

JM asks the - so were you directing Travis? NO. Was he posing at your direction? NO. Didn’t you tell Flores you were going for the CKlein look ? YES.

Well then, wouldn’t that be at your direction, you telling him how to pose? To stand up?

To SIT DOWN? : He sat down so we could look at the pics together and decide what to delete. (he’s already destroyed her on that point, by questioning her about her familiarity with TA's camera, BEFORE he began asking her any questions about what happened in the shower. Wow).

He destroys her one last time before moving on to the next seconds and the murder itself:

JM: So you say that was an “accidental” shot of TA’s buttock?

: Obviously ! (….) It had to be accidental, because I would NEVER have taken a photo of that on purpose.


It doesn’t get any more LOL than that.


ETA: There are only 2 photos in the entire 8 minute sequence for which she seems to have taken the time and care to change settings, including lighting and focus.

One is the very first photo. Travis has his eyes closed. He is not smiling, much less looking like he's posing, proud and eager to show off those muscles he's worked for months to obtain.

But that's what this carefully taken photo is focusing on- those arm muscles. That's not a make believe Calvin Klein shot.

IMO it is her ordering him, at gunpoint, to show off those Cancun muscles of his.

The second and only other genuinely posed photo is the haunting one of Travis sitting, facing us. I can't bear to think about what she was screeching hissing at him then.

BBM
Thank you for this analysis!!

And FWIW,
I never take a picture, scrutinize if it is worth keeping or not and delete if I don't like it, then take another picture, scrutinize, delete or keep, take another picture, and repeat....People do this? While a person is taking shower?

I take series of pictures. I delete ones I don't like after I upload them on my computer and can see them on my computer screen. I can't really tell a photo is good or not on small camera screen.
 
According to JM's book, Chapter 4

On the day of her arrest, police found in her rental car:
-3 boxes mostly filled with clothes and personal items
-2 kitchen knives in one of the boxes
-A plethora of condoms in a suitcase

Later (JM doesn't mention how much later or what location the car was in)
-a 9mm semiautomatic gun and an unloaded magazine in the trunk of the rental car

It seems obvious that she was planning to kill someone on this trip but why 3 boxes of clothing?
She told her dad she will be back in 3 days. (Flores Interview w/dad)

To me, she might of been fleeing to the Mexican border.

She told her Dad 3 days because that's how long she had the rental for. JMO
 
Somewhere on Day 25 (I think 3 of 3 but not sure) she makes a little slip of the tongue about those photos.

I'm not going to have the time to listen to the whole thing again for awhile, but I am quite sure I heard her say something about photos from/on her PHONE instead of from/on her camera.

All the camera technical stuff gives me a headache, but I haven't heard definitively that she could not have transferred the same set of pics found from her own phone or camera onto his memory stick, and unless I'm missing something, yes, the EXIF data can reset.

Why would she put the pics onto his camera? Here's one possibility. She thought she could wipe all trace of them being there and always meant to leave the camera.

It was psychological torture of TA, her special flavor, which was to invade his privacy in the ugliest ways imaginable, this time, to threaten him with exposure.

What if she put them there and told him....See? I have sex pics and a sex tape I can post or put anywhere....on a new Flivkr account in your name, on a YouTube channel...even on your own camera.
 
Somewhere on Day 25 (I think 3 of 3 but not sure) she makes a little slip of the tongue about those photos.

I'm not going to have the time to listen to the whole thing again for awhile, but I am quite sure I heard her say something about photos from/on her PHONE instead of from/on her camera.

All the camera technical stuff gives me a headache, but I haven't heard definitively that she could not have transferred the same set of pics found from her own phone or camera onto his memory stick, and unless I'm missing something, yes, the EXIF data can reset.

Why would she put the pics onto his camera? Here's one possibility. She thought she could wipe all trace of them being there and always meant to leave the camera.

It was psychological torture of TA, her special flavor, which was to invade his privacy in the ugliest ways imaginable, this time, to threaten him with exposure.

What if she put them there and told him....See? I have sex pics and a sex tape I can post or put anywhere....on a new Flivkr account in your name, on a YouTube channel...even on your own camera.

Even Dworkin, when asked those type of questions under cross, admitted that anything is possible, just that he hadn't noted any obvious tampering.
 
Somewhere on Day 25 (I think 3 of 3 but not sure) she makes a little slip of the tongue about those photos.

I'm not going to have the time to listen to the whole thing again for awhile, but I am quite sure I heard her say something about photos from/on her PHONE instead of from/on her camera.

All the camera technical stuff gives me a headache, but I haven't heard definitively that she could not have transferred the same set of pics found from her own phone or camera onto his memory stick, and unless I'm missing something, yes, the EXIF data can reset.

Why would she put the pics onto his camera? Here's one possibility. She thought she could wipe all trace of them being there and always meant to leave the camera.

It was psychological torture of TA, her special flavor, which was to invade his privacy in the ugliest ways imaginable, this time, to threaten him with exposure.

What if she put them there and told him....See? I have sex pics and a sex tape I can post or put anywhere....on a new Flivkr account in your name, on a YouTube channel...even on your own camera.

I still think the sex pics were from a previous time that she had not deleted(her Olympus perhaps) and then perhaps had sent him a sample of, either by email or in the form of a "pamphlet"(read old memory card) through snail mail. Heck this might have been the catalyst for the 26th spat if he'd gotten that in the mail, stuck it in his camera and realized what she had on him. She did seem to know that her old memory card/stick would fit in his new camera.

Anyway, here's the links of the live blogging from HLN for the days when JM was crossing her on the shower testimony, start at the bottom... :

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/02/27/can-martinez-link-arias-gun
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/02/28/jodi-arias-testifies-day-13-live-blog
 
I am still catching up, but will any of the money from this book go to the Alexander family? I know they really struggled with being able to afford all the time they had totake from their jobs to attend the trials. And Juan seemed to really care about the Alexander family.....I hope they do get some compensation from this book about their brother.

Breaks my heart. :(
 
BBM
Thank you for this analysis!!

And FWIW,
I never take a picture, scrutinize if it is worth keeping or not and delete if I don't like it, then take another picture, scrutinize, delete or keep, take another picture, and repeat....People do this? While a person is taking shower?

I take series of pictures. I delete ones I don't like after I upload them on my computer and can see them on my computer screen. I can't really tell a photo is good or not on small camera screen.

I delete photos from my phone and ipad all of the time right after taking them.

Especially if it is a series taken at a specific event, etc.

But maybe not everyone is like that. I just try to keep my photo library cleaned up.
 
I still think the sex pics were from a previous time that she had not deleted(her Olympus perhaps) and then perhaps had sent him a sample of, either by email or in the form of a "pamphlet"(read old memory card) through snail mail. Heck this might have been the catalyst for the 26th spat if he'd gotten that in the mail, stuck it in his camera and realized what she had on him. She did seem to know that her old memory card/stick would fit in his new camera.

Anyway, here's the links of the live blogging from HLN for the days when JM was crossing her on the shower testimony, start at the bottom... :

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/02/27/can-martinez-link-arias-gun
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/02/28/jodi-arias-testifies-day-13-live-blog

But the brown hair? Jodi only had blonde hair during her time "knowing" Travis, up until that final day. All the sex pics show Jodi with her newly dyed-brown locks. I think those pics are from that day.

Travis was relatively inexperienced. He probably realized his sex life with Jodi was bad for his faith and his life in general, but I suspect he was also kind of drawn to that side of their relationship. He was a young man with normal sexual impulses. I doubt he knew how crazy evil Jodi was.

I think they had consensual sex that afternoon, the pics are from that liason, and sometime after the initial sex, Travis flat out told her she was stil not going to Cancun.

Jodi had already prepared for both outcomes (gun, knife vs. sunblock, bikinis) so she was ready. :(
 
I delete photos from my phone and ipad all of the time right after taking them.

Especially if it is a series taken at a specific event, etc.

But maybe not everyone is like that. I just try to keep my photo library cleaned up.

I was talking about when using a digital camera, like they were on June 4th. I can see that if taking photos from a phone or tablet, you'd delete the ones you don't like immediately then retake.
 
Yes, there's even more I could have included, but would welcome any feedback about what is there.

Unless I've drawn the wrong conclusions from all that piecing together, for me it was pretty significant whether or not Travis was OK with her taking the photos.

If he was, then sex earlier in the day was more likely, even probable. Given that he absolutely was not, IMO, then I'm entirely convinced they did not have sex that day, that the reason she couldn't commit to a timeline was because she invented a whole day that did not happen, and that she had to invent a day that included sex that didn't happen either.

She couldn't admit to bringing sex pics to put on his camera without admitting premed and more. But put them on there she did. Yah, IMO.

Travis was fine with her taking pics on his camera. He didn't know he was going to be brutally slaughtered by a psychopath and could have deleted them when he chose, had he remained alive. Why would he trust her to take pics of him naked on her camera?

My guess is that she showed up, apologised profusely for the blackmail attempt, convinced him that he could take pics of her as an 'insurance policy' should he doubt her promise not to reissue the blackmail threat. She may have given him the cheque (check in American language) to sweeten him. Her hair is dark in the pics, not blonde.

Arias wasn't bright enough to wipe the photos from the camera. Beyond grasping for excuses in the interview with Detective Flores, the 'memory card swap' seems utterly implausible. Juan Martinez gave no credit to this theory. Not impossible just improbable. Why would she premeditate covering her tracks in Arizona yet leave evidence on the camera?

The reason I find this theory strange as it's buying Arias' attempts to deflect and lie to Detective Flores with no good reason. Even Arias doesn't take it further. I don't get why this seems significant to some, genuinely.
 
[video=youtube;Lg23qOHGgfc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg23qOHGgfc&app=desktop[/video]

Huh.

Maverick and Bruce Willis in Unbreakable?

Very confident (maybe a little over-confident?) sense of self.

I think maybe I can see how a psycho like Jodi wormed her way into his life....
 
Travis was fine with her taking pics on his camera. He didn't know he was going to be brutally slaughtered by a psychopath and could have deleted them when he chose, had he remained alive. Why would he trust her to take pics of him naked on her camera?

My guess is that she showed up, apologised profusely for the blackmail attempt, convinced him that he could take pics of her as an 'insurance policy' should he doubt her promise not to reissue the blackmail threat. She may have given him the cheque (check in American language) to sweeten him. Her hair is dark in the pics, not blonde.

Arias wasn't bright enough to wipe the photos from the camera. Beyond grasping for excuses in the interview with Detective Flores, the 'memory card swap' seems utterly implausible. Juan Martinez gave no credit to this theory. Not impossible just improbable. Why would she premeditate covering her tracks in Arizona yet leave evidence on the camera?

The reason I find this theory strange as it's buying Arias' attempts to deflect and lie to Detective Flores with no good reason. Even Arias doesn't take it further. I don't get why this seems significant to some, genuinely.

No, it's not buying anything she said, trust me. Quite the opposite.

In no order:

1. She thought she'd wiped/destroyed the camera or she wouldn't have left it.

2. Being bright has nothing to do with this. She had at least several weeks and probably much longer to plan it out, and to look up whatever she needed to know about cameras and memory cards and the like.

3. He wouldn't trust her to take pics of him naked with her camera. That's why she took pics of him with her phone, when she surprised him, then told him, don't worry, I deleted them.

4. He was done with her. The only time after May 26 she could get him to communicate with her was early morning June 2 when she badgered him for hours straight to answer. That and not again.

5. He didn't know she was coming.

6. She lied about when she arrived, what was on the computer, everything for that time before bed.

7. She refused to even try to give a timeline for the day, other than what was provided by the timestamps on photos- a timeline she was stuck with though it made no sense, including his shaving, a text that was sent by him at a time she said he was asleep...on and on.

8. It wasn't his idea to take shower pics and the whole shower story was a lie.

Etc. Add up a thousand little pieces and nothing she said about what happened that day makes any sense. Sex is only one aspect of that.
 
As for brown hair. Pics she took of herself before she left Mesa, on his bed after he got up to take a shower? Matt, the Photoshop whiz?

I don't know. But I do seem to remember that one thing Dworkin accounted for about unallocated space or whatever on TA's camera was a video that had been deleted. Whoops. She said the video was on HER camera, not his.

All JMO, of course, but I think she seized on the unexpected gift of the sex pics still being there and JM made sure she hoisted herself on that particular petard.
 
Melendez testified all new cameras including TAs saves photos to 2 seperate areas : the internal memory, and then the preview/thumbnail portion of the drive. The thumbnails do not have EXIF data, while the others recovered from the SD slot did. And, more than a few had this data attached and recovered as he explained he verified the time stamps on direct

Iirc only 1 or 2 of all of the June 4 pic didn't but had other ways to verify including the KY bottle

There were 90 pics on the memory taken between the time it was bought in May and when Jodi used it to lure Travis to his death on June 4.
 
Sorry not aware of the book sharing list.

Can someone let me know ?

If a JM fan is in need a book I will share mine.
 
But the brown hair? Jodi only had blonde hair during her time "knowing" Travis, up until that final day. All the sex pics show Jodi with her newly dyed-brown locks. I think those pics are from that day.

Travis was relatively inexperienced. He probably realized his sex life with Jodi was bad for his faith and his life in general, but I suspect he was also kind of drawn to that side of their relationship. He was a young man with normal sexual impulses. I doubt he knew how crazy evil Jodi was.

I think they had consensual sex that afternoon, the pics are from that liason, and sometime after the initial sex, Travis flat out told her she was stil not going to Cancun.

Jodi had already prepared for both outcomes (gun, knife vs. sunblock, bikinis) so she was ready. :(

I still don't think her hair colour in the sex pics was dark enough to be what her selfies taken June 3 show, especially since the selfie was taken in daylight and the sex one in a darkened bedroom. To me it looks like the same colour as when she had moved back to Yreka in April/May. I am also now questioning the length of her hair, when first arrested in July it was much shorter than in the pics from May, so when did she get it cut, before or after June 4th? My hair is almost waist length and when braided it still only goes to about 3-4" above my elbow and barely reaches as far down on my chest, even when slouched forward similar to her braid pic.
 

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