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If they have evidence to the contrary of Casey killing Caylee they will do anything in their power to hide it IMO. They have made their stand now and won't back down no matter what.

I can't ignore that possibility. Especially if the majority of evidence points toward Casey being guilty of murder, they may not find it advantageous to release any info that says otherwise. I think it's strategic and not really meant to harm but it's harmful to the public perception of Casey...which they hope helps them to crack her...
 
Think logically about what you just wrote in that bolded statement. If they are lying to Casey or trying to create false impression with her or witnesses, do you really think they would get on teevee and tell the truth?? As if Casey or the witnesses couldn't hear them?


Not "logical" IMO but ya can't debate with a closed mind.
 
Think logically about what you just wrote in that bolded statement. If they are lying to Casey or trying to create false impression with her or witnesses, do you really think they would get on teevee and tell the truth?? As if Casey or the witnesses couldn't hear them?

I was simply repeating what the judge was saying, and was induling that particular poster on his or her line of thinking. Also, the judge was speaking in generic terms, he was not specifically stating the LE was or was not partaking in this form of investigation... and neither do I.

I do not believe that LE is lying about evidence. I believe that they have everything back from the various labs, and that their scientific evidence points to decomp in the car, and Caylee's death. Period. I cannot speak to their specific strategy in this case, because I am neither LE or FBI, so I am not privy to that.
 
Not "logical" IMO but ya can't debate with a closed mind.

I don't know how you can say that I have a closed mind, when it appears you also have a specific agenda, and line of thinking and do not defer from it. If mine is closed, then your's is as well.

You believe one thing, I believe another. My belief is based on scientific evidence and logic, and I have come to where I am in this case by reading through all the information provided. I didn't first hear about this and assumed I had all the information and jumped the gun on my stance, which would indicate a closed mind.

I'm sorry we do not agree. Hang in there.
 
I can't ignore that possibility. Especially if the majority of evidence points toward Casey being guilty of murder, they may not find it advantageous to release any info that says otherwise. I think it's strategic and not really meant to harm but it's harmful to the public perception of Casey...which they hope helps them to crack her...

LE drew the line in the sand right away after they found out casey lied about her job and all the other junk by telling her her baby was dead, bla, bla, bla. Gee is it any wonder she shut up from then forward if in fact she did not kill Caylee? They made their job harder as well as fnding Caylee harder right off the bat.
 
I suppose it's a possibility - but I think if it was a reality, they would announce a second person of interest.

I don't believe that they are so rigid with Casey being a murder that they are not looking at other possibilities. I think the proof that they are holding hard and fast to is 1) Decomp in the back of the car 2) Caylee is dead. I think all the details surrounding those two proven facts, are still fluid and are subject to change as evidence comes forward.

Where they stand now, IMO, is 1) No new evidence or tips 2) People aren't talking 3) No body. So, again, as I have stated elsewhere, it's my opinion that we do not see homicide charges for ANYONE relating to Caylee's disappearance and presumed death, because we still do not have probable cause - for anyone.

Unless I'm mistaken, a baby missing, nowhere to be found for months and months, a mother with a web of lies but unwilling to truthfully, verifiably and actively assist in the search. The person who mother says baby-sat the child for a more than a year before she kidnapped her doesn't exist. The locations the mother says she took the child to be babysat aren't. The apartment where mom says babysitter lived the day she kidnapped baby had been unoccupied for months. That all adds up to really good probable cause. REALLY GOOD. And if there is also evidence of decomposition and dead baby in mom's car, add a 'really'. 'Cuz then you have really, really good PC! Even if they have nothing else we don't know about, I'd bet the farm, they do, they stand a great chance of getting a conviction right now. They're takin' their time. There's no rush. Maybe she'll break and help them find Caylee in the meantime. Maybe not, but they want the best case they can come up with before they start, and they're still working on that. Plus, they'd like the body too, if at all possible. It may not be, but there really isn't a rush on this and they're willing to wait a bit.
 
I suppose it's a possibility - but I think if it was a reality, they would announce a second person of interest.

There would be no need for a second person of interest if the evidence they aren't releasing discredits the evidence that Caylee is dead. I know your stance on that lol but I'm just explaining the type of evidence I was referring to. I'm not thinking anyone else was involved either.

I don't believe that they are so rigid with Casey being a murder that they are not looking at other possibilities.

I don't think so either. I do think that they are investigating all angles BUT that they are only presenting evidence that tells the "casey probably harmed Caylee" story. I think they're looking at all sides but releasing the information that will put the most pressure on Casey.

Where they stand now, IMO, is 1) No new evidence or tips 2) People aren't talking 3) No body. So, again, as I have stated elsewhere, it's my opinion that we do not see homicide charges for ANYONE relating to Caylee's disappearance and presumed death, because we still do not have probable cause - for anyone.

You're right. I just looked up the definition of probable cause (for myself) to be sure. Do they have the degree of proof needed to make an arrest? No, they do not. I think there's a possibility that the information that they have could be just as damaging to establishing probable cause as their lack of evidence.
 
Unless I'm mistaken, a baby missing, nowhere to be found for months and months, a mother with a web of lies but unwilling to truthfully, verifiably and actively assist in the search. The person who mother says baby-sat the child for a more than a year before she kidnapped her doesn't exist. The locations the mother says she took the child to be babysat aren't. The apartment where mom says babysitter lived the day she kidnapped baby had been unoccupied for months. That all adds up to really good probably cause. REALLY GOOD. And if there is also evidence of decomposition and dead baby in mom's car, add a 'really'. 'Cuz then you have really, really good PC! Even if they have nothing else we don't know about, I'd bet the farm, they do. They're takin' their time. There's no rush. Maybe she'll break and help them find Caylee in the meantime. Maybe not, but they want the best case they can come up with before they start and they'd like the body too, if at all possible.

So if they haven't made an arrest, imagine what information they have that may discredit those things! lol Just sayin'...it's gotta be something.
 
Unless I'm mistaken, a baby missing, nowhere to be found for months and months, a mother with a web of lies but unwilling to truthfully, verifiably and actively assist in the search. The person who mother says baby-sat the child for a more than a year before she kidnapped her doesn't exist. The locations the mother says she took the child to be babysat aren't. The apartment where mom says babysitter lived the day she kidnapped baby had been unoccupied for months. That all adds up to really good probably cause. REALLY GOOD. And if there is also evidence of decomposition and dead baby in mom's car, add a 'really'.

Unfortunately, within legal terms and limitations - this adds up to "REALLY GOOD" suspicion - however, this does not place Casey in posession of the car, beyond a reasonable doubt, during time of death or decomp.. and by all accounts, Casey was a good and caring mother (I am not supporting her - believe me) up until the time of disappearance. so that does not implicate her as someone who wanted her dead. I think they are working on probable cause, but they are not there yet....

http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/p089.htm

PROBABLE CAUSE - A reasonable belief that a person has committed a crime. The test the court of appeals employs to determine whether probable cause existed for purposes of arrest is whether facts and circumstances within the officer's knowledge are sufficient to warrant a prudent person to believe a suspect has committed, is committing, or is about to commit a crime.
 
What gets me is SOME people have built up so much hate for the whole Anthony family that no matter what they do or don't do they are wrong and have no rights but the protesters do have rights in their eyes????? Double standard IMO.

If they have evidence to the contrary of Casey killing Caylee they will do anything in their power to hide it IMO. They have made their stand now and won't back down no matter what.

Double standard??
 
I don't believe that they have any credible evidence that DISPROVES Caylee's death. I just don't see that as plausible.

I do think that they are investigating all angles BUT that they are only presenting evidence that tells the "caylee probably harmed Caylee" story. I think they're looking at all sides but releasing the information that will put the most pressure on Casey.

I do agree with this though, as the Casey angle is the most logical as it stands right now and I am sure their strategy includes putting pressure on her - though, I think they should appeal to her ego, vs emotional.
 
Unfortunately, within legal terms and limitations - this adds up to "REALLY GOOD" suspicion - however, this does not place Casey in posession of the car during time of death or decomp.. and by all accounts, Casey was a good and caring mother (I am not supporting her - believe me) up until the time of disappearance. so that does not implicate her as someone who wanted her dead. I think they are working on probable cause, but they are not there yet....

I think you're right about the 1 biggest hinderance to establishing probable cause- the inability to prove that Casey was in possession of the car and responsible for the body in the trunk.
 
I don't believe that they have any credible evidence that DISPROVES Caylee's death. I just don't see that as plausible.



I do agree with this though, as the Casey angle is the most logical as it stands right now and I am sure their strategy includes putting pressure on her - though, I think they should appeal to her ego, vs emotional.


I'm not at all being snarky but how do you think they could do that? Appeal to her ego, that is. As it stands, I think they are doing everything possible to debase her ego and you're right it's exactly the wrong way to go about it.
 
I'm not at all being snarky but how do you think they could do that? Appeal to her ego, that is. As it stands, I think they are doing everything possible to debase her ego and you're right it's exactly the wrong way to go about it.

Since I am not a criminal profiler, or a criminal psychiatrist - I am not actually sure! I do know that based on what I have read about sociopaths and narcassism, it's all about them and them only - and appealing to her ego may get them somewhere... but focusing on what this is doing to the community, her family, Caylee - etc or trying to get to her by calling her a monster, etc gets them nowhere, because she couldn't care less about the impact on them. She thinks she's smarter than them - and I think they should stroke that a bit....
 
Their closed minds don't rattle me. I guess they live sheltered lives to not know that cops can and do lie and it is not unusual in this case. The thing that is unusual in this case is the leaks are causing people to put themselves and their children in danger byt the silly and immature "protesting". If one of them get seriiously hurt or killed and LE's leaks are proven to be BS who is going to be at fault?

The problem for the defense, no matter how much they'd like to cloud the issue--with other possibilities, with lying cops, etc, is that there is no proof Zanny the Nanny ever baby sat Caylee at any location in Orlando that Casey can point to. Hey, if she can remember any place this baby sitter EVER lived, or EVER worked, or come up with any of the babysitter calls a mom makes or receives, why doesn't she come forward with that info? That could get the police moving in a new direction and could be a big step in getting her off the hook. If she didn't trust the police, she could call the media and tell them. They could go verify her information, or not. That may continue to be a real problem for KC if none of info, none of her 'leads' can be verified because they are just lies. That would take her back to looking at serious jail time, no matter who else besides Casey is lying.

And who's going to be at fault... if you mean ultimately, disregarding intermediate stupidity by other bad parents, for anything at the bottom of this whole mess? That would Caylee's mom, because she was telling the truth, if she was helpful, if she was providing verifiable information to anyone about anything, none of this would be happening! This is all on her. Every bit of it.
 
I guess they live sheltered lives to not know that cops can and do lie

I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the assumption that LE is lying, but someone currently charged with neglect, false statements, forgery, theft etc is not....
 
I don't believe that they have any credible evidence that DISPROVES Caylee's death. I just don't see that as plausible.

Hmmm...what type of evidence could prove she was alive? I hadn't thought about what type of evidence that would have to be LOL.

I guess sightings of Caylee that are confirmed with pictures would be one type but I don't think they would withhold that type of evidence because they'd want to get the word out for people to be looking out for her.

DNA can't determine if she's alive so there's no dna evidence being withheld that would help that cause as far as I know.

Okay...I'll give you the no credible evidence that Caylee is alive thing lol because I can't see any good reason to withhold that info.
 
I don't like what some of the protesters are doing anymore than I like what the A team is doing.....So I say "Let them eat each other".
 
Hmmm...what type of evidence could prove she was alive?

Let's put aside the decomp and scientific evidence for a sec... Real, credible sightings! Some part of Casey's story turning out to be true! Someone being able to cooberate Casey's story or even saying, "You know, she was acting very weird and stressed, and leaving Tony's apt at weird times, she could have been looking for her child.... Any of those would be a great start to disproving her death :p
 
An Amber Alert could have disproved her death....
 
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