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[elle1919]

Can someone point me to a confirmed statement from RC work where it is stated they have RC on Video all night?

Reason I ask is, I know two people who work / Worked there.

One worked there way before RC worked there,

and one that works there now (after RC was fired)

and they both state that there are only two cameras

one is at the general public entry

and one at the common area by the time clock,

that one by time clock only works sometime, because employees keep hitting it and than all it videos tapes is the ceiling.

The employee parking lot has no video cameras.

Good Morning CN2....I never heard the claim that RC was caught on video all night at PDM, there was a reference made to him being caught on video throughout his shift, and seen taking his dinner break by other employee's etc....but not continuously on video throughout the evening. Terry Shoemaker( RC's lawyer) gives a pretty good explanation of RC's hours on an older episode of NG: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/12/ng.01.html

snip~GRACE: Let me just clarify again, and correct me if I`m wrong because I`ll find out later. At some point, the truth will be uncovered. Isn`t it true, Mr. Shoemaker, that Ronald Cummings stayed at work his full shift and he got home around 3:00 AM?

SHOEMAKER: Absolutely. He never left.

GRACE: OK. Terry, what did he do for a living? What was it exactly he did there?

SHOEMAKER: He was a crane operator, among some other responsibilities.

GRACE: I`m sorry. I couldn`t hear you. Repeat. He did what?

SHOEMAKER: He was a crane operator.

GRACE: OK. Were there other people around him observing him operating the crane, amongst other things?

SHOEMAKER: Yes. He was there all night. You know, there were some times, you know, based on our conversations with FDLE, that people didn`t actually see him, but they were for very short periods of time. And people saw him there all night, for the most part.

GRACE: And his home was about a 30 or 40-minute drive away?

SHOEMAKER: A little less than that. You know, probably anywhere from 20 to 30 minutes.

GRACE: OK. Give him 30. He would have to have been gone about an hour-and-a-half, 30 minutes there, 30 minutes back...

SHOEMAKER: Exactly.

GRACE: ... and 30 minutes for whatever was to take place there. Was there that big of a gap of people seeing him?

SHOEMAKER: Absolutely not, Nancy.

GRACE: OK. Mr. Shoemaker, you`re giving me your word on that?

SHOEMAKER: Absolutely, Nancy.

GRACE: And again, you said he operates a crane. Was he operating a crane that night?

SHOEMAKER: I don`t believe he actually was that evening. I know he had a couple different things he was doing, but...

GRACE: Like what?

SHOEMAKER: I can`t really answer that specifically. I know when we spoke...

GRACE: Why?

SHOEMAKER: Well, when we spoke with law enforcement the last time, they asked him about his different jobs that evening, and he said that he had to move some material from different locations and -- so I know that he had a number of different responsibilities, but his primary responsibility at that job was as a crane operator.

GRACE: Indoors or outdoors?

SHOEMAKER: Well, the crane is outdoors, but he -- you know, he would move things to different aspects of the job site and take care of material that way.

GRACE: So we know absolutely he did not leave the job site?

SHOEMAKER: Absolutely. ~end

 

[suspicious1]

Can anyone point me in the direction of finding the arrest record for Timmy Croslin?? I thought that it was on here, maybe I'm wrong. TIA

 

[elle1919]

Can anyone point me in the direction of finding the arrest record for Timmy Croslin?? I thought that it was on here, maybe I'm wrong. TIA

Only thing I have ever found was here: http://epwsgdp1.courts.state.va.us/gdcourts/caseSearch.do

you have to type in the the search fields for yourself. Use Timothy Allen Croslin and chose all cases.

here is a short recap:
Case Number:
GC09000020-00

File Date:
01/05/2009

Complainant:
SIGLER

Locality:
COMMONWEALTH OF VA
Defendant:
CROSLIN, TIMOTHY ALLEN

Defendant Status:
Bail

Defense Attorney:
Address:
SATSUMA FL 32189
Sex:
Male

Race:
White Caucasian(Non-Hispanic)

DOB:
05/31/****
AKA1:

AKA2:
Charge:
OBSTRUCT JUSTICE W/O FORCE

Code Section:
18.2-460

Case Type:
Misdemeanor

Class:
1
Amended Charge:

Amended Code:

Amended Case Type:

Offense Date:
01/02/2009

Arrest Date:
01/02/2009


not sure about the details of what it is for. This charge is brought up by Timmy in a jail conversation to Tommy and references a charge in Virgina.

 

[Wendy101]

IIRC... TN say SHE sent a family member over the the MH .... Later on we found it that family memember was GMS &Aunt Lisa.

Does anyone have the link??

 

[Wendy101]

"I locked doors before I left for work. My child cannot unlock the deadbolt, you have to force the door shut all the way ... and she doesn’t open the door to strangers," Cummings said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491485,00.html

Did Ronald lock Misty and kids in the house or out of the house? I recall Misty did not ave a key to the MH.

 

[debs]

"I locked doors before I left for work. My child cannot unlock the deadbolt, you have to force the door shut all the way ... and she doesn’t open the door to strangers," Cummings said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491485,00.html

Did Ronald lock Misty and kids in the house or out of the house? I recall Misty did not ave a key to the MH.

I just realized, Zaha, what is wrong with this quote from Ron. The last part, "...she doesn't open the door to strangers.".....He'd just insisted Haleigh couldn't open that door anyway. Why add this strange statement? He insists the back door was forced open. Why put this statement out there? I don't get it.

 

[Wendy101]

I just realized, Zaha, what is wrong with this quote from Ron. The last part, "...she doesn't open the door to strangers.".....He'd just insisted Haleigh couldn't open that door anyway. Why add this strange statement? He insists the back door was forced open. Why put this statement out there? I don't get it.

Why would anyone be knocking on the back door anyway? I assume if anone was coming over to knock on the door, they would use the most logical door available. The front door.

Now, RC said in the statement above (fox news) doorS .. did he lock Misty out of the MH? If so, where were his kids, who had the key to open it to let Misty in to babysit, Misty did not have a key.

 

[lonetraveler]

If this had been a response to a homicide or another violent crime at that time, then they would not have allowed anyone inside other than Ronald and Misty, but it was considered a child abduction at the time, so there was no urgency to preserve a crime scene. That's my take on it, anyway.

ETA: Also, in the initial police report, it was stated they believed the incident did not happen in the MH, IIRC.

I have to disagree that a child abduction is not considered a violent crime. This was a crime scene and should have been treated as one. Most child abductions end in finding a dead child, if the child is found at all. IMO, there should have been a great urgency to preserve the scene. Now, there is no way to go back and recreate the scene and LE have stated that Haleigh is dead. IMO, LE made crucial mistakes and bad decisions concerning this case and may still be making the same mistakes concerning the Cummings family.

 

[Wendy101]

I know it seems like many moons ago, but, someone here has a link to the document about Hank Sr.'s hospital stay. It had the day he went in, and the day he was released, can someone help me find it again?? It is a letter or something to do with insurance.....I thought it said he was released on the 13th.

 

[justus4all]

I have always thought..about the hits on the dumpster..by several cadaver dogs..I feel that H's body was put in there..temporarily.until a better plan was decided on...IMO..The cover up was done in haste..and I believe the different folks involved made different decisions on what to do with H's body, changing them by the direction of ? (who..was directing)....who was giving the orders..1 or several.???
More importantly..Who was ACTUALLY present/or on the phone... to give these directions/orders???? Truly a mystery...all in my opinion...

 

[doobiedoo52]

I know it seems like many moons ago, but, someone here has a link to the document about Hank Sr.'s hospital stay. It had the day he went in, and the day he was released, can someone help me find it again?? It is a letter or something to do with insurance.....I thought it said he was released on the 13th.

I have the document in question on my desktop--it says Feb. 7 - Feb. 11.
I posted it quite awhile ago on one of the threads.

 

[wickedeye]

Hello everyone!!I have been reading here on this case since last summer, but have never had the nerve to post...but here goes...I read on AH site that Ron had recently completed his probationary period at PDM, does that mean he was then eligible for life insurance for himself and family? Does anyone know if he had policies for his kids from work? I'm sure PDM provides life insurance along with medical.TIA

 

[lorann]

Hello everyone!!I have been reading here on this case since last summer, but have never had the nerve to post...but here goes...I read on AH site that Ron had recently completed his probationary period at PDM, does that mean he was then eligible for life insurance for himself and family? Does anyone know if he had policies for his kids from work? I'm sure PDM provides life insurance along with medical.TIA

Good Question!!!

 

[wickedeye]

Looking at the PDM Palatka site confirms they do offer life insurance to their employees, but I don't know if it kicks in after three months or 1 year.

 

[4Jacy]

Hello everyone!!I have been reading here on this case since last summer, but have never had the nerve to post...but here goes...I read on AH site that Ron had recently completed his probationary period at PDM, does that mean he was then eligible for life insurance for himself and family? Does anyone know if he had policies for his kids from work? I'm sure PDM provides life insurance along with medical.TIA

Hi, wickedeye! I think I know where you're going with this, but afraid I have no idea if Ron had insurance or not. I did inquire earlier if Crystal had insurance, and I believe someone posted that she had life insurance on her and both children. Don't know for sure.

 

[Emeralgem]

Hi, wickedeye! I think I know where you're going with this, but afraid I have no idea if Ron had insurance or not. I did inquire earlier if Crystal had insurance, and I believe someone posted that she had life insurance on her and both children. Don't know for sure.

I believe the poster you are referring to emphatically stated Crystal did NOT have insurance policies on either of the children..JMO

 

[Emma Peel]

I just had some quick questions on timing on the release of these tapes here in question. Does anyone know WHEN Cobra's series of tapes-in-full were released to the public? Was rather recent? Who released them?

Is there anything interesting about the timing of their release? I believe they were released in snippets before (via semi-legitimate media - i.e. AH, BNN, etc.) vs. being released in full now. Did TJ ever deal with these tapes (before he was forced off the Haleigh case by his health/editors)?

I'm just wondering if there is perhaps a reason their release was stalled until a certain time? But I don't have/know specifics on them and thought someone here might recall.

 

[wickedeye]

I want to know if Ron got his cross/chain back. Can anybody get a close up of it from the UC videos, I've always thought it was a memorial cross.

 

[TobyWong*]

Okay I cannot for the life of me find discussion re: Haleighs bus stop times. So my question is what time did she get off the bus?

 

[Justin Tyme]

How long had RC worked for the Co that he worked for?
Did he have a probationary period?
Was he required to be drug testing?
Have these questions already been asked and answered?

How long did TN work for the Department?
How long was she out of work for the department?
Was she due to go back?
Is she on permanent disability?
Is she still considered an employee?


Thank you.