You tell me, ask rashomon, he might know since he stated that :
rashomon said:
Difficult to tell. Do Bloomingdales keep records, how did Patsy pay, credit-card, debit-card, store-card, cash, etc?
The gifts stored in there were meant to be Burke's birthday gifts purchased on the December trip. The reasoning being that Burke could not reach the wooden latch at the top of the door to check out his gifts?
Yes this is possible since we only have fibers linking Patsy to the crime-scene, and these can arrive without Patsy being present?
I agree, looks like the Ramsey version of events is inconsistent, so the lies are showing the holes in their account?
If Patsy had redressed JonBenet in the size-12's and removed or hidden the remainder then she would know there can be no size-12's to be found in JonBenet's panty drawer?
She can do this or hand in a UNOPENED set, both instances woud represent indirect attempts to corroborate the claims made in the Atlanta interview.
Or even touch dna?
), at first..IMO...the Ramsey's probably wanted to "GO with" that idea. The intruder brought them in.....yeah, yeah...that's the ticket. And, and, and...he put them on JonBenét after he assaulted her. Yeah, that's good...we will go with that. Sounds good to me, dear. Maybe THAT is the reason that they were "lost", and then they realized how stupid that sounded, and how nobody in their right mind would believe that an intruder brought those too big bloomies in to redress JB in, not to mention that the authorities might accidently find the second set.
sure but...she said she took them out of the package and put them in the drawer (which IMO she said since it's doubtful JB would have just happened to pick out the Wed. pair from the package.so out of package means no more package).
The Ramseys went into each of their interviews very ill-prepared, therefore it is not surprising that Patsy had not put anything together.
It is a theory of mine, just as yours is a theory. Fact is that the police could not find the size 12s. The inference to be drawn is that they were hidden by the stager of the scene. Patsy was the main stager (evidence: ransom note and her jacket fibers in the locations connected to the 'garrote' scene), therefore it is logical to assume she knew exactly who put the size 12s on JonBenet and why. The crime scene evidence suggests it was Patsy who held the broken paintbrush in her hand when wrapping the cord around it, and since a splinter from that same paintbrush was found in JonBenet's vagina, Patsy is also connected to the infliction of the vaginal wound. The size 12s were put on the victim after the genital wound was inflicted. Again, when you put the pieces of the evidence together to get the whole picture, the most likely person to have done this is Patsy, or she may have told John were to get a pair and put it on her.
And it is exactly this recurring anmesia which is the evasive element.
That was to 'explain' why the child had them on her. For even to the Ramseys, trying to sell to LE the idea that the Small Foreign Faction would have bothered to redress the victim must have been out of the question.
Imo Patsy's jacket fibers found in incriminating locations connected to the wine cellar garrote scene contradict such an assumption.
She sure did.
Highly unlikely because of the paintbrush splinter found in the victim's vagina. The paintbrush is connected to Patsy (her jacket fibers were found in the tray where it was kept), so it was in all probability she who inflicted the genital wound, tied the cord around the neck in a knot and then wrapped part of the remaining cord around the broken stick to make a bizarre-looking stage prop.
The Ramseys went into to each of their interviews very ill-prepared, therefore it is not surprising that Patsy had not put anything together.
It is a theory of mine, just as yours is a theory. Fact is that the police could not find the size 12s. The inference to be drawn is that they were hidden by the stager of the scene. Patsy was the main stager (evidence: ransom note and her jacket fibers in the locations connected to the 'garrote' scene), therefore it is logical to assume she knew exactly who put the size 12s on JonBenet and why. The crime scene evidence suggests it was Patsy who held the broken paintbrush in her hand when wrapping the cord around it, and since a splinter from that same paintbrush was found in JonBenet's vagina, Patsy is also connected to the infliction of the vaginal wound. The size 12s were put on the victim after the genital wound was inflicted. Again, when you put the pieces of the evidence together to get the whole picture, the most likely person to have done this is Patsy, or she may have told John were to get a pair and put it on her.
I believe the Ramseys staged this scene together, with Patsy running the show. Imo John wanted to get involved as little as possible because he did not believe they would get away with it, so Patsy was take the rap in case the scam would be discovered.
And it is exactly this recurring anmesia which is the evasive element.
That was to 'explain' why the child had them on her. For even to the Ramseys, trying to sell to LE the idea that the Small Foreign Faction would have bothered to redress the victim must have been out of the question.
Imo Patsy's jacket fibers found in incriminating locations connected to the wine cellar garrote scene contradict such an assumption.
She sure did.
Just as she linked herself to the pineapple evidence, where she made a similar big blunder by claiming JonBenet had been asleep when they got home. Patsy was obviously unaware (or had forgotten) that examining the victim's digestive tract is SOP at every autopsy.
When you look at this case, what stands out is the evidence linking the Ramseys to the cover-up of JonBenet's homicide. All their subsequent efforts to wriggle out of that connection are every bit as absurd and chaotic as the staged scene itself.
Highly unlikely because of the paintbrush splinter found in the victim's vagina. The paintbrush is connected to Patsy (her jacket fibers were found in the tray where it was kept), so it was in all probability she who inflicted the genital wound, tied the cord around the neck in a knot and then wrapped part of the remaining cord around the broken stick to make a bizarre-looking stage prop.
The Ramseys may initially have thought of dumping the body outside without a ransom note ('abducted, tortured and killed by a sexual predator'), but after deciding it too risky to remove the body, changed to a 'ransom kidnapping gone wrong' scenario where JonBenet had been snatched from her bed. So they redressed her.
They left the neck ligature on JonBenet (together with the bizarre-looking broken paintbrush stick) because the bizarreness of the scenario was to point away from the parents.
You may have a theory but its logic is consistently flawed.
No size-12's were found in the house, and this appears corroborated from the interviewers remarks about an UNOPENED packe of size-12's yet to be found in the house?
Yes but which stager, there are two possibilities, the logic is not exclusive!
Patsy may have staged some of the crime-scene, again the logic is not exclusive!
Absolutely not! This is not an assumption you can make, since the size-12's may have arrived independently of her staging contribution.
There is no crime-scene evidence at all to suggest who vaginally assaulted JonBenet? Its a fair assumption that the person who garroted JonBenet also vaginally assaulted her, but the two events need not be linked consecutively to one person, again the logic is not exclusive!
I also think they staged the crime-scene together, but I reckon they both made independent contributions. hence the reason as to why Patsy has no knowledge that the size-12's are missing.
UKGuy said:
mmm, there is only one thing wrong with this reasoning. That is if Patsy is clever enough to think up an explanation that links JonBenet with the purchased size-12's, how come she fails to realize that since the size-12's are no longer in the drawer, never mind the house, that that explanation will be immediately shot down?
Not quite, but I know you reckon the fibers place Patsy at the crime-scene, making her the likely perpetrator?
That you can connect Patsy to the paintbrush, does not exclude anyone else from being connected to it, and the splinter does not connect to Patsy in the same manner as say her fibers would, so your following inference about the staging is flawed. Simply because John may have assaulted JonBenet vaginally, then redressed her in the size-12's and longjohns, leaving Patsy ignorant about the size-12's. Patsy may later have applied the garrote, duct-tape, wrist-restraints etc?
