Random Thoughts and Discussion Ideas#6 About the Case

[YellowSubmarine]

I don't know if its just the power of suggestion, but now that you mention the laundry, I seem to remember something like this.

Do you remember which interview that was?

It seems it was one of the first ones with LE. I think he had said this prior to his statement that casey wouldn't let him near the car. I'll see what I can find . . .

 

[CentralFLMama]

Has anyone EVER heard of a perp taping the mouth of a dead person just to stop bodily fluids from leaking? I thought the eyes were one of the first areas to leak? why wouldn't she tape them as well? Do we really think that Caylee had an accident and KC immediately thought to duct tape her mouth just in case she leaked in the trunk while KC went out on a date?

THANK YOU. The logical assumption is that she was suffocated.

 

[CentralFLMama]

I agree that she thought she was milking her freedom for all it was worth because she knew it had to come to an end

I completely agree.

I also want to add - as a juror, I would focus on 4 things:

1 - 31 days without reporting daughter missing
2- partying during those days
3- lying to the cops, including the telling lie about the phone call rec'd from Caylee
4- I know this is minor and most people dont even mention it - but knotting the Where is Caylee t-shirt BUGGED ME A LOT. When your daughter is missing, you aren't concerned about how the t-shirt fits you and makes you look. Oh it bugged me so much. And also that first video of her in the blue shirt she bought at Target. That smug look. That video tells it all, IMO.

 

[EclecticArtist]

It's been way too quiet in the A Camp this week... JB Camp is quiet too.. Somethings gotta give, who will speak first??:waitasec:

 

[essies]

I completely agree.

I also want to add - as a juror, I would focus on 4 things:

1 - 31 days without reporting daughter missing
2- partying during those days
3- lying to the cops, including the telling lie about the phone call rec'd from Caylee
4- I know this is minor and most people dont even mention it - but knotting the Where is Caylee t-shirt BUGGED ME A LOT. When your daughter is missing, you aren't concerned about how the t-shirt fits you and makes you look. Oh it bugged me so much. And also that first video of her in the blue shirt she bought at Target. That smug look. That video tells it all, IMO.

It may seem minor since there are SOOOO many damn things to focus on- but yes-that knotted t-shirt with her baby's picture on it bugged the H3LL outta me! The look, the strut, the high-five, the sunglasses-you could just go on and on!:banghead:

 

[Reagan]

I completely agree.

I also want to add - as a juror, I would focus on 4 things:

1 - 31 days without reporting daughter missing
2- partying during those days
3- lying to the cops, including the telling lie about the phone call rec'd from Caylee
4- I know this is minor and most people dont even mention it - but knotting the Where is Caylee t-shirt BUGGED ME A LOT. When your daughter is missing, you aren't concerned about how the t-shirt fits you and makes you look. Oh it bugged me so much. And also that first video of her in the blue shirt she bought at Target. That smug look. That video tells it all, IMO.

5 - Someone directly tied to the Anthonys and Baez were looking for Caylee in the same spot she was ultimately found.

6 - Motive - some state there's no motive but I highly disagree. For one, the second KC got rid of Caylee, she was partying more than ever. Two, for the first time ever she was away from home for more than 1 day, she had a child in tow, no money, no job, and no way to take care of Caylee... so she had to get rid of her.

7 - KC's words - Her main concern after being arrested was not Caylee, but getting Tonys number. "All they care about is getting Caylee back..". When the dispatcher asked to speak with her on the 3rd 911 call.."What do they wanna talk to me for?" (duh?). She also spoke about Caylee in the past tense.
Her words alone will convict her... she doesn't even need her liar parents to help convict her. She did a wonderful job at it herself.

 

[snow_walker]

If I were on that jury, one of the things that would get to me in a big rush was the way she acted when her parents were visiting her "What's she (CA) crying for already?".. (A missing child perhaps?)
and the fury when GA was trying to make his silly anology to Casey being the CEO of a company. .. Out of all proportion to how annoying it was... She just blew up in seconds over nothing.. obviously this girl is not wound too tightly.

Then there was the lack of simple answers to her mothers questions about who might have Caylee, or where she might be. As though the whole thing was a huge puzzle..and getting any answers was like trying to pull teeth. No mother of a missing child ever acted like that.. they would be jumping up and down trying to convey any and every little shred of a clue relating to their baby's whereabouts.

Just imagine if this had been a visit with a daughter whose baby was legitimately missing.. what would have been said .

It might go something like this..
"Oh MOM! DAD!! Oh Thank God your here! I was thinking everything over last night and it occurred to me that Zanny said she wanted to take the kids to Disneyworld some time..that was awhile ago, but ya know maybe she did take Caylee there.. could you give the media a heads up she might be wearing a Disney T-shirt?.." and such-like sort of semi-hysterical chatter.

 

[Mystic]

Sorry this will show up in the middle of a discussion about something else, and not that it is important, but this is a random thought that came to me after Caylee's body was found. I am remembering that KC contacted the military friend in California and seemed like she planned to go see him to tell him something very important. She asked Cindy for one more day. Perhaps she thought she could get on the run within that "one more day." What if she went to the west coast, told the fellow that she left CA / GA adopt Caylee, then when she couldn't get to talk to Caylee, point the blame for Caylee being missing on Cindy...low and behold...Caylee's remains are found close to the Anthony residence.
I know that's kind of a whacked out idea, but with this family, who knows!

I also believe she intended to skip town as it doesn't appear she ever planned to report her daughter missing. Thats why I think the duct tape was part of the murder and burying it close to her parents home simple & symbolic. Also, with that in mind, stealing from her friend wouldn't be a big deal as she was not planning to stick around for long.

I've been waiting for a LE interview with the fellow from California to get an idea if I'm correct in my assumption. (hope they interviewed him)

I think that TL was a place to go and be... and turned into more fun then expected and she extended her time seeing him. Then again, who knows maybe she did have a plan to murder her parents as well??

 

[2goldfish]

So what you are saying is that as long as there is no witness (video or otherwise), you can kill someone, make up a fake perp and come up with any o'l crazy story and hope that just one person will think it MAY have been an accident? I hope beyond hope that this will not happen. I simply don't believe our laws were intended to totally disregard common sense.

what I am saying is actually that until we see the tape analysis, or until bone marrow shows some drugs, or find out KC did in fact film it, photograph it, or write SORRY CAYLEE in big ole sharpie letters, we have nothing whatsoever that absolutely shows that it was a murder and not an accident. I know what common sense tells me but some posters make me wonder what some jurors may think.

 

[2goldfish]

Not according to the medical examiner.

Dr. G did rule an accident out. She ruled the cause of death was homicide.

If there was the possibility of an accident Dr. G had the option of ruling the cause of death as undetermined. She didn't.

The means could not be pinpointed.

While duct tape alone would have been deadly, which makes the murderer's intent clear, chloroform administered to sedate could have killed Caylee first. Or strangling could have killed Caylee before the tape smothered her.

Even though Caylee's skeletal remains could not eliminate all the possibilities her murderer could have used to bring about her death, the duct tape around Caylee's skull was enough proof for the medical examiner to determine the killer's homicidal intent.

IMO

You are quite right I believe, they have seen things we have not. When we see them all this talk of taping to prevent fluids leaking will fly right out.

 

[MAMABEAR]

Wonder what evidence will be thrown out via the defense

 

[MissJames]

what I am saying is actually that until we see the tape analysis, or until bone marrow shows some drugs, or find out KC did in fact film it, photograph it, or write SORRY CAYLEE in big ole sharpie letters, we have nothing whatsoever that absolutely shows that it was a murder and not an accident. I know what common sense tells me but some posters make me wonder what some jurors may think.

It doesn't make sense that KC would sit in jail on charges that could get her the DP if she could claim an accident.The Duct tape IMO shows it was no accident The way the Prosecution will lay the case out will leave no doubt that there was no accident.
Also,wouldn't the defense have to use accident as their defense? They would have to admit KC was responsible for an accident.Up until th body was found the defense insisted Caylee was alive.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I also believe she intended to skip town as it doesn't appear she ever planned to report her daughter missing. Thats why I think the duct tape was part of the murder and burying it close to her parents home simple & symbolic. Also, with that in mind, stealing from her friend wouldn't be a big deal as she was not planning to stick around for long.

I've been waiting for a LE interview with the fellow from California to get an idea if I'm correct in my assumption. (hope they interviewed him)

I think that TL was a place to go and be... and turned into more fun then expected and she extended her time seeing him. Then again, who knows maybe she did have a plan to murder her parents as well??

Me too.
She burned all her bridges as she went along.
If she had left for California as I think she planned to do, she could have just dropped out of the Anthony family altogether - she could easily disappear there and they would not have known what happened to Caylee...

 

[ZsaZsa]

I completely agree.

I also want to add - as a juror, I would focus on 4 things:

1 - 31 days without reporting daughter missing
2- partying during those days
3- lying to the cops, including the telling lie about the phone call rec'd from Caylee
4- I know this is minor and most people dont even mention it - but knotting the Where is Caylee t-shirt BUGGED ME A LOT. When your daughter is missing, you aren't concerned about how the t-shirt fits you and makes you look. Oh it bugged me so much. And also that first video of her in the blue shirt she bought at Target. That smug look. That video tells it all, IMO.

Good observation.
Her body language and mannerisms are very revealing.

 

[MAMABEAR]

Me too.
She burned all her bridges as she went along.
If she had left for California as I think she planned to do, she could have just dropped out of the Anthony family altogether - she could easily disappear there and they would not have known what happened to Caylee...

Esp. if she had an ID---say like ZFG

 

[chckmate22]

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It may seem minor since there are SOOOO many damn things to focus on- but yes-that knotted t-shirt with her baby's picture on it bugged the H3LL outta me! The look, the strut, the high-five, the sunglasses-you could just go on and on!:banghead:

Wow and I thought it was just me being petty:clap::clap:

 

[chckmate22]

I dont mean to harp on this subject it just drives me nuts...her statement on July 15th ...I talked to my daughter today it is the first time I heard her voice in 31 days"...would someone like to explain to KC that she was dead...she knew it and we knew it

 

[Searchfortruth]

what I am saying is actually that until we see the tape analysis, or until bone marrow shows some drugs, or find out KC did in fact film it, photograph it, or write SORRY CAYLEE in big ole sharpie letters, we have nothing whatsoever that absolutely shows that it was a murder and not an accident. I know what common sense tells me but some posters make me wonder what some jurors may think.

What evidence was there to show the Scott P. jury that Laci and Conner's death was a murder and not accident ? What showed the jury that it was murder was the circumstantial evidence related to Scott surrounding his actions before and after the murder, the conditions the victims were found in. The jury didn't need a video of the crime to convict, they were very capable of putting two and two together. There is more evidence against Casey, right now, than there ever was against Scott.

 

[CentralFLMama]

What evidence was there to show the Scott P. jury that Laci and Conner's death was a murder and not accident ? What showed the jury that it was murder was the circumstantial evidence related to Scott surrounding his actions before and after the murder, the conditions the victims were found in. The jury didn't need a video of the crime to convict, they were very capable of putting two and two together. There is more evidence against Casey, right now, than there ever was against Scott.

:clap::clap::clap:

 

[Searchfortruth]

I dont mean to harp on this subject it just drives me nuts...her statement on July 15th ...I talked to my daughter today it is the first time I heard her voice in 31 days"...would someone like to explain to KC that she was dead...she knew it and we knew it

Yep, so coincidental that Casey just happened to recieve a phone call from a "private number" on the exact day her mother finds out that Casey is not with Caylee...Caylee is "missing". I think that phone call was more for her mother than the cops, a lie made up to say, she's alive Mom I just spoke with her today. How cruel can a person be ? The jury is going to see this too and I don't think it will be lost on them. Those jail visit's where Cindy and George are sitting there asking Casey, "do you think Zenaida will give her back", and Casey's encouragement that she was "close". Of course, the police will have Casey's phone records to show that no incoming call was ever recieved from this mysterious "nanny".

When I go back over the evidence like this it reassures me that this jury will convict Casey of this murder, and maybe in record time.

:behindbar:behindbar:behindbar....these are my favorite.