Hoover parents?
Sure! :laugh: That's when the kids think the parents SUCK!! (I think I'm gonna form a support group....)
Hoover parents?
Hi Salem!!!!! ((((()))))) I was just thinking the same thing about her daughter, M. So sad. So sick and depraved!
Also, not sure if the tracypress article was posted:
http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?article-Rape-%20molestation%20-likely-%20to%20be%20alleged%20in%20girl-s%20slaying%20=&page_label=home&id=2310960-Rape-+molestation+-likely-+to+be+alleged+in+girl-s+slaying&widget=push&instance=home_news_bullets&open=&
SS...You might remember me going semi-ballistic several days ago concerning the California Amber Alert Guidelines. It is time for ALL states to come together on the guidelines! That means the average citizen must get involved. It might save their own children someday. The following are the guidelines in Tennessee. I Bolded what is the big difference that allows our state to issue an alert and have the age come into play.
To activate an AMBER ALERT, there must be accurate information on at least one of the following: description of child; description of suspect; description of vehicle; Child must be 17 years of age or younger; There must be a belief that the child is in imminent danger of bodily injury or death.
The following factors may be considered as placing the child in imminent danger: The missing child is believed to be out of the zone of safety for his or her age and development stage. The missing child is drug dependent, on prescribed medication and/or illegal substances, and the dependency is potentially life threatening. The missing child has been absent from the home for more than 24 hours before the incident was reported to the police. Based on available information, it is believed that the missing child is in a life-threatening situation. Based on available information, it is believed that the missing child is in the company of adults who could endanger his or her welfare.
Nursebee, I absolutely agree! It drives me nuts when people second guess and blame it on the parents ... "why weren't they in absolute constant communication and control of their child!!!" Of course, there is a level of NORMAL care .... The relatively new phenomenon of "Hover Parents" (a major problem not just for public schools anymore, but for colleges, too) cause problems that are just legion in the adjustment of their children!
Haleigh had an Amber Alert and they didn't know the circumstances of her disappearance. They still don't!
Sandra should have had an Amber Alert out for her. She had just turned 8 years old. They had nothing to lose and everything to gain by having one. moo
------------------------------------------------Formal charges have not been filed, but San Joaquin County Deputy District Attorney Robert Himmelblau said Monday a murder charge against Huckaby could include the special circumstances of rape with a foreign object, lewd and lascivious conduct with a child and murder in the course of a kidnapping.
WTH?
Professional DAs don't go around talking about what they might do, or could do, they just do it.
This is sensationalism imo, and disgusting if this deputy DA actually stated this. This information should not have been released until charges had been filed or were about to be filed. I'd like to know his motive for making this statement, if he in fact did.
I personally think this statement is in poor taste, and should not have been made, especially with the memorial service coming up on Thursday. moo
Deputy District Attorney Robert Himelblau said today that San Joaquin County prosecutors plan to accuse Huckaby of murdering Sandra Cantu with special-circumstance allegations that the killing was committed during a kidnapping, involved a lewd or lascivious act on a child and involved rape with a foreign object.
The special circumstances are what would make Huckaby, 28, eligible for execution. Himelblau said prosecutors would decide later whether to seek the death penalty if Huckaby is convicted.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/13/MNAB171O1O.DTLHimelblau suggested that prosecutors would not immediately provide a theory for why Huckaby might have killed her daughter's playmate.
"We want to know the motive," Himelblau said, "even though the motive doesn't always make sense to us."
Prosecutors went to the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park in Tracy to discuss the charges personally with Sandra's family. They said the girl's relatives were enraged to hear the crime was apparently even more gruesome than they had believed
I was also sooo hoping that this was some sort of accident and death came fast. How appalling that a 'mother' could do this to a child that was her own child's playmate! I also hope they put the death sentence on the table. Of course, I am sure she's 'insane' and that will be her defense.
Prosecutors went to the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park in Tracy to discuss the charges personally with Sandra's family. They said the girl's relatives were enraged to hear the crime was apparently even more gruesome than they had believed.
"This puts salt right into the wound," said Angie Chavez, Sandra's aunt. "I am just sick about this."
Chavez said word of the new charges sent Sandra's mother, Maria Chavez, into new depths of grief and anger
snipped from this... http://www.mercurynews.com/crime/ci_12135348According to court documents, Melissa Lawless owed more than $17,000 in medical expenses. She earned a total of $10,525 in 2002 while working at the grocery store.
Amid the financial chaos, Melissa married Johnny Huckaby on May 10, 2003, four months before giving birth to M Huckaby in San Joaquin County, according to court documents.
The pair moved south to Fontana, but the marriage quickly soured, with Melissa and her daughter moving out of their apartment by May 2004. Melissa took her daughter to mother Judy Lawless' Cypress home and separated from Johnny Huckaby in August 2004, according to the divorce file.
On Jan. 19, 2005, after almost a year living with her mother, Melissa Huckaby filed for divorce, citing irreconcilable differences, court records show.
Melissa's relatives have said the divorce caused mental issues for her. Melissa came to Tracy eight months ago with her daughter to help care for her grandparents in their mobile home park, a few units from where Sandra lived.
In 2006, Huckaby was convicted of petty theft in Los Angeles County. Information about her sentence wasn't immediately available.
Separately, in January, she pleaded no contest to a petty theft charge in San Joaquin County. She was sentenced to three years of probation on the condition that she participate in a county mental health program.
She had been scheduled to go to court this Friday to report on her participation in that program.
Nursebee, I absolutely agree! It drives me nuts when people second guess and blame it on the parents ... "why weren't they in absolute constant communication and control of their child!!!" Of course, there is a level of NORMAL care .... The relatively new phenomenon of "Hover Parents" (a major problem not just for public schools anymore, but for colleges, too) cause problems that are just legion in the adjustment of their children!
I have no doubt that I could pack the suitcase and get it to the car, in the car, out of the car, on the road ..... but how did it get to the middle of that irrigation pond? There is no way she picked it up and threw it (I just watched Strongest Man and MH doesn't look like any of them).
I wonder how far out it was originally, before the farm guys pulled it to the shore? Do you think MH rolled that suitcase out there? If so, that means she got in the water - so she was wet! Maybe good forensics here, if she dripped all over her car. What about her shoes? They would have had mud in/on them.
It could not have been easy rolling that suitcase in the wet mud under the water. I don't think those ditches are all that deep generally, so probably not more than waist deep, if that. She might have carried it out there? We are talking about 60-80 pounds. I can lift 100 lbs of dog food, but I can't carry it very far. She had to get the suitcase down the embankment, which doesn't look that high, but unless she is pretty strong, it would have been difficult. I wonder if she fell down? I wonder if LE found her clothes from that night?
What did her grandparents see when she got home? Do you think maybe the grandparents saw some really unexplainable things and they are the ones who called the tip line? Maybe MH came home all wet and soggy and told some tale that was just unbelieveable? Grandparents probably didn't think much about it until that suitcase showed up...... Maybe the grandparents started putting 1 and 1 together and coming up with 2 which deserved a call to the tip line.... hmmmmm
This is ALL speculation on my part,
Salem
Imo, parents should know where their children are at all times, especially that age. When my grandson stayed with me at age 9, he had to tell me where he was going and I would tell him when to be back. He had to make frequent check ins when he was riding his bike. every 1/2 hour and there were boundaries he could not cross. He had to stay on our block.
Once he went missing. He had gone to a friends house, but then they went to another friends house and were playing video games and lost track of time. It wasn't hard to find him though. I just went to the mom of the first friend and asked her where they were, and she thought she knew, and she was correct.
He broke the rules though in not telling me when he left that first friends house, and he got grounded for it, along with many hugs and I love yous, and you scared us. His older sister freaked out when she couldn't find him when I sent her to go get him. She thought they were both missing. lol
imo Sandra's family was lax because they thought she was in a safe neighborhood. MHPs do criminal checks on all residents 18 and over. They aren't to blame but they should have been more diligent, and I'm sure they will be in the future. I hope they knew where she was at all times, but it sounds like Sandra wandered around looking for playmates and was not aware of any danger lurking around when there was apparently more than anyone could have known. moo
I've brought a suitcase the size of the one that MH used over a gravely potholed parking lot.
I think that MH could have rolled it like that over to the edge of the pond, pushed it over the edge and it either tumbled end over end or slid down into the pond. It looks like the wall down to the water is sloped. Thats how I account for it to being on the edge of the pond-- at least that's where I saw it at first, but I assumed that the workers hadn't moved it at all.
Here's a picture that I found in the media thread:
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...bay&id=6747604 ...its a multiple picture frame, the one I'm referring to is the first one
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