Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #4

[Lawgirl]

:tyou:

I do believe this was the perfect storm. Thanks for your insight.

Great insight.

 

[Quester]

[Continuing to pick at parts since we have no new info (except for pferrin’s fabulous sleuthing!)]

Despite the fact that the following quoted statement made by DS about JS is shockingly revealing about DS’ fear of JS, the statement is much more telling about DS’ perceptions with regard to JS.

IMO, it implies that DS views this ongoing tumultuous relationship as a battle of life and death.

[I know: dramatic, soap opera-ish but shreds of truth?]

"I feel scared of what he is capable of doing to me physically via the dog as well as the lengths he will go to try to destroy me in any way he was able to do so."

Article Posted: Jul 18, 2011 5:46 PM PDT Updated: Jul 19, 2011 5:39 PM PDT

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15103319/reports-allege-history-of-domestic-violence-in-shacknai-home?clienttype=printable

 

[pferrin]

Wed July 13 2001
***They found a woman “in distress” and called in paramedics to administer aid, but the woman was pronounced dead sounds like she was still alive to me.

The police arrived first to scene..fire rescue came and she was deceased. Many times they will say in distress to describe scene. Hanging victim for example..Hubby was a paramedic (may he RIP)..if this woman was clinging to life or drawing a last breath..she would have been transported to hospital. She had to be completely dead for paramedics not to transport her..by that I mean cold..very cold.

 

[AnaTeresa]

I know people are not too enamored with Dr. Spitz because of that trial-that-shall-not-be-named, but I got a chance to sit in on a conference call when the attorneys in my office consulted with him on a case not too long ago. He's very intelligent, although his manner of expressing himself can be confusing. I'd put a lot of stock in his opinion if he looked over medical/autopsy records for me.

He's got a point that you've got to look at everything together, although I don't think any of the talking heads can truly say unless they have access to all the medical records.

 

[pferrin]

July 11, 2011 - Maxie "accident"

July 13, 2011 - RN found

July 14, 2011 - RN autopsy complete

July 17, 2011 - announcement of Maxie's passing made

http://news.lalate.com/2011/07/15/rebecca-nalepa-case-sealed-rebecca-zahau-autopsy-completed/

While those results were completed, police officials tell news that no details of the case will be released to the news media. The entire case is tonight under seal.

“Unique”, “bizarre”, and “pretty suspicious” are among the words used by Tim Curran from S.D. County Sheriff’s Department in describing the death. But tonight, that same officers report that no details of the autopsy will be released to members of the news. Moreover, search warrants and similar matters remain under seal.

Today is two weeks since RN's autopsy. I can't find the quote but I thought that LE was putting a "rush" on toxicology and forensic evidence/reports. :banghead::banghead:

So, all we can do is speculate.

BBM - with words like that - leads me to HOMICIDE

Hi scorekeeper..I agree with ya..I asked my brother why so long..tox reports take awhile even with a rush and he said that police sometimes want to let killer sweat. The more data they get now..the better off they will be once they arrest suspect.

 

[scorekeeper]

http://www.10news.com/news/28689113/detail.html

Forensic Expert Discusses Coronado Death Investigation

--snipped----

The deaths that occurred at a Coronado mansion two weeks ago have not only grabbed the attention of San Diego but the attention of experts such as Dr. Werner Spitz.

Spitz, who was in San Diego to testify in another case, spoke with 10News about Max Shacknai's fall down the grand staircase at his father's mansion and the mysterious death of his father's girlfriend, Rebecca Zahau, two days later.

"You have to consider them as one incident…not one body, one occurrence… and solve it together," said Spitz.

"Could it be that the head injury was not from a fall?" said Spitz. "Perhaps this is all an argument where the dead person cannot talk. But you know, the dead person can talk by telling the medical examiner what really happened."

Oh, I really thought he would retire after his appearance in Florida........I'll leave it at that......:waitasec:

 

[Quester]

http://www.10news.com/news/28689113/detail.html

Forensic Expert Discusses Coronado Death Investigation

--snipped----

The deaths that occurred at a Coronado mansion two weeks ago have not only grabbed the attention of San Diego but the attention of experts such as Dr. Werner Spitz.

Spitz, who was in San Diego to testify in another case, spoke with 10News about Max Shacknai's fall down the grand staircase at his father's mansion and the mysterious death of his father's girlfriend, Rebecca Zahau, two days later.

"You have to consider them as one incident…not one body, one occurrence… and solve it together," said Spitz.

"Could it be that the head injury was not from a fall?" said Spitz. "Perhaps this is all an argument where the dead person cannot talk. But you know, the dead person can talk by telling the medical examiner what really happened."

Hmmmmm ....... Is somebody already publicly setting up their defense?

Namely: Not guilty of murder due to temporary insanity as a result of RN having murdered the boy.

 

[Paladine]

Their alibis have not been verified.

I disagree on the relationship problems - most people do not engage in this kind of behavior and have multiple calls to the police when they are having a rough spot in their marriage or ending the marriage. Their behavior is over the top and it seems they wasted precious police resources instead of even realizing they needed to split much earlier. A couple of things relate to the child also - the bed wetting argument between the two and the reading a story then leaving the house incident. These people got physical with each other. It's relevant.

Agreed, it's relevant, imo. The bedwetting argument really disturbed me as a Mom. What was that about? How do 2 people argue over a childs bedwetting? Did he blame her for not doing something? Did the child have bad nerves? Did someone expect perfection? May be a million other things but it sat funny with me...

 

[scorekeeper]

Hi scorekeeper..I agree with ya..I asked my brother why so long..tox reports take awhile even with a rush and he said that police sometimes want to let killer sweat. The more data they get now..the better off they will be once they arrest suspect.

pferrin,

Love your brother!! :blushing: :loveyou:

score

(seriously, please tell him thanks!!)

 

[askfornina]

Hmmmmm ....... Is somebody already publicly setting up their defense?

Namely: Not guilty of murder due to temporary insanity as a result of RN having murdered the boy.

hmm..not sure what you are suggesting with this post, could you elaborate?

 

[x_files]

Agreed, it's relevant, imo. The bedwetting argument really disturbed me as a Mom. What was that about? How do 2 people argue over a childs bedwetting? Did he blame her for not doing something? Did the child have bad nerves? Did someone expect perfection? May be a million other things but it sat funny with me...

How can you get mad about a child wetting a bed?
Someone has rage issues.

 

[scorekeeper]

How can you get mad about a child wetting a bed?
Someone has rage issues.

Speculation....

I know we discussed this before, could it have been possible for Maxie to be a special needs child?

God bless him.......

 

[Quester]

[added my previous post for clarity here]

Hmmmmm ....... Is somebody already publicly setting up their defense?

Namely: Not guilty of murder due to temporary insanity as a result of RN having murdered the boy.

hmm..not sure what you are suggesting with this post, could you elaborate?

Just an educated hunch based on the appearance of the good Dr. (retired?, known as a hire-able consultant for trials) into this case, his having linked the two incidences, as well as the facts of the cases (as we know them to date) and the players (as much as we understand of them thus far).

 

[pferrin]

pferrin,

Love your brother!! :blushing: :loveyou:

score

(seriously, please tell him thanks!!)

I did thank him..everyday he asks about anything that yall have found new on this case. He left this mornin to go to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan..they wanted me to go..but I get whiplash when I ride with him...hehehe..sibling rivalry stuff. I really am quite blessed with great family and we get to laugh a LOT.

 

[jstwondering]

[Continuing to pick at parts since we have no new info (except for pferrin’s fabulous sleuthing!)]

Despite the fact that the following quoted statement made by DS about JS is shockingly revealing about DS’ fear of JS, the statement is much more telling about DS’ perceptions with regard to JS.

IMO, it implies that DS views this ongoing tumultuous relationship as a battle of life and death.

[I know: dramatic, soap opera-ish but shreds of truth?]

First off, let me say that I enjoy and look forward to your posts. Secondly, as I always say, just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you...
I would say it's definitely a "battle of life and death", but since LE won't confirm or deny anything, we don't yet know if the battle was a self-fulfilling prophecy. I do agree with what was said upthread... perfect storm caused by both DS and JS.

 

[time]

I saw this before, but maybe not as complete. I guess this is from a real interview.
http://www.
sandiegoreader.com/news/2011/jul/27/citylights2-hanging-question-coronado/

excerpts

DESI OCHOA, a trainer at Hollywood Fitness, a gym near the Hotel Del, where they say Coronado’s smart set goes to muscle up. Jonah and Rebecca were regulars.

"Rebecca came here and would do the step mill, the elliptical, and she probably did some of the weights. Yes, she was actually in the gym with her boyfriend on that last Friday, the 8th. He seemed a little standoffish. I got a weird vibe from him...

Who did it? I think, with the brother living in the house, maybe she was messing around with his brother, and that set things going. The kid falling down the stairs? Don’t know. But here’s the thing: one of our trainers saw Jonah here two days after it happened, after Rebecca died. He was here at the gym by himself."

Other comments

CHARLIE S., who collects cans and bottles around Coronado every day.
I collected bottles two doors away from the Spreckels house that morning. Nothing unusual. No cries, no people rushing around.

Sorry if these have been posted ... I think some of t his has

 

[AnaTeresa]

Hmmmmm ....... Is somebody already publicly setting up their defense?

Namely: Not guilty of murder due to temporary insanity as a result of RN having murdered the boy.

I interpreted Dr. Spitz's statement that the individual bodies and circumstances shouldn't be looked at individually, but collaboratively, since they occurred in the same area, under questionable circumstances, within a short period of time. Basically, no different than what a lot of posters on the thread have said.

It's not really "setting up a defense" - he was saying what they needed to look at. He's not even seen the medical records, so he can only say how they would go about evaluating it. He has no more insight into this case than we do. Also, my perception of him from a telephone call is that he's not likely to go along with a theory of the case if he does not feel the science doesn't go along with it. It's why the firm I work for didn't use him in the case we asked him to look over - his medical opinion wasn't good for our client. He's very stubborn and set in his opinions, once made.

 

[Curious Me]

What a beautiful and loving tribute to Rebecca in the funeral video. After seeing this I am more convinced than ever she would be incapable of suicide, mostly because she loved life too much. There are so very few facts about this case, and I think $$ can buy a lot of silence!! Any other situation like this and reporters would be all over it. There has been a literal blackout on her death. Also a blackout on Dina, who is my prime suspect for this murder . . . motive? rage, revenge, anger. Maxxi was her last thread of connection to her former husband. My other thought is that she was dead before she was hung over the balcony, otherwise her head would be very discolored, which it is not in the photos. MOO

BBM That makes sense. I see more discoloration on her thigh area than her head.

 

[jjenny]

I agree how could anyone be angry at MS because of this?Bedwetting can occur for many reasons. DS is a psychologist. I think we can all agree she loved her son. If it were me and JS was disciplining MS in front of me...well just stand back. I would ask JS to step in another room and tell him that this is a medical issue and for him to let a doctor evaluate and treat MS. How sad. :sigh:

We don't know the details and which one of them argued about what.
Usually people assume it's the father who was not happy, but we don't know that for that particular case, do we?

 

[time]

Agreed, it's relevant, imo. The bedwetting argument really disturbed me as a Mom. What was that about? How do 2 people argue over a childs bedwetting? Did he blame her for not doing something? Did the child have bad nerves? Did someone expect perfection? May be a million other things but it sat funny with me...

Yeah ... it caught my eye also. They maybe got in fights about almost anything though. I should have put these incidents into a time frame. Do we know when they were officially separated/filed? I'm curious because that would probably mean Jonah was going to Dina's to see Max? Sometimes those times would be the weirdest. Like maybe he was trying to still do the daily things you do when together - tuck in bed, etc.?

Maybe someone blamed the bedwetting on the relationship problems, like Dina blamed Jonah or visa versa? Maybe the bed wasn't changed right away? Maybe they argued about who was going to change it how to approach Max about it? Maybe he wet the bed after they had an altercation?