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[matou]

I wonder what DM paid himself as CEO? What did he pay in taxes?

 

[SnooperDuper]

I wonder what DM paid himself as CEO? What did he pay in taxes?

Well if you had a company, how much would you pay someone to drive it into the ground for you?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Third version of questions to DM's salary:

Did the salary change after WM's death?

 

[SnooperDuper]

Here is some background on the criminal charges against WM and MB, from the book Seal Wars. WM helped activist PW get into the area although he was banned from the region. Story is from the POV of PW. There has been a moratorium on the hunting of baby seals since 1987. Events take place in 1983.

Watson, Paul. Seal Wars. Key Porter Books, Toronto, 2002

p. 141 ff

https://books.google.ca/books?id=qp...ved=0CCAQ6AEwAWoVChMItbH_v43exgIVQVYeCh3mjA-8

A crime was committed at Cavendish Beach. I saw a man skin a baby seal alive. The Fisheries Officers and the Mounties saw him do it also. There were many witnesses. I filmed the cruellest act that I had ever seen. I was arrested. The crime was that I had filmed a man skin a seal alive. I was the criminal. The man laughed and walked away. - Madeleine Burns.

Jet and I arranged to meet with Wayne Millard and Madeleine Burns, friends of ours who were producing a film about the seal hunt called A Hunt Without Pity. Wayne was also a pilot, and he and Madeleine intended to fly that very evening from Toronto to Charlottetown in Wayne's own plane. They agreed to take both Jet and I and our equipment.

While we waited for Madeleine and Wayne to complete their film work, Jet and I hid out at the Kirkland hotel, reading and watching the news.

Brian Davies was also out on the ice making his mark, along with Wayne and Madeleine, who had set up their tripod on the beach just in time for the arrival of the sealers.

The clubs started falling and the cameras began to roll when the Mounties and the Fisheries officers approached. They promptly arrested the film crew for disobeying the Seal Protection Act by filming the hunt and charged them with assaulting Fisheries officers.

"They confiscated our film," said Madeleine, "so they could see what we filmed." Wayne, understandably, resisted. "They were trying to get the film off Wayne, and they had him on the ground with his clothes all ripped apart and his skin showing. They had his arms twisted behind his back. He yelled for me to take a picture. I did, but they later confiscated my camera as well."

William Murphy, the district manager for the DFO, admitted that his men might have been overly eager to intervene, especially given that, as federal officers, they did not have jurisdiction in a P.E.I. provincial park.

"We will look into this, but that does not let them off the hook for assaulting my officers,", he said. "They committed a crime when they resisted."

Wayne and Madeleine were told to return to answer the charges on April 27 and informed that they were now effectively prohibited from witnessing the hunt.

The four of us returned to Toronto in Wayne's plane. Once again, I was forced to scale the fence to get to the runway. Since they had not seen me at all, the Mounties were apparently quite mystified as to how I left the island.

I later found out that the charges against Wayne Millard and Madeleine Burns had been dropped.

 

[swedie]

Here is some background on the criminal charges against WM and MB, from the book Seal Wars. WM helped activist PW get into the area although he was banned from the region. Story is from the POV of PW. There has been a moratorium on the hunting of baby seals since 1987. Events take place in 1983.

Watson, Paul. Seal Wars. Key Porter Books, Toronto, 2002

p. 141 ff

https://books.google.ca/books?id=qp...ved=0CCAQ6AEwAWoVChMItbH_v43exgIVQVYeCh3mjA-8

Well that's interesting Snooper, thanks. About two years before DM made his grand entry. Planned or unexpected, I wonder...MOO.

Have you read the book Snooper?

 

[swedie]

Third version of questions to DM's salary:

Did the salary change after WM's death?

I bet it did. From a fixed salary set by WM to "spend what you want" salary because good ol' dad is gone. MOO.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I bet it did. From a fixed salary set by WM to "spend what you want" salary because good ol' dad is gone. MOO.

Pretty formulated.
On the other hand we haven't heard about him buying expensive "toys" in the months after WM's death - nothing. If one wants to be nasty: even a little truck he didn't buy at that time.

 

[Juballee]

Here is some background on the criminal charges against WM and MB, from the book Seal Wars. WM helped activist PW get into the area although he was banned from the region. Story is from the POV of PW. There has been a moratorium on the hunting of baby seals since 1987. Events take place in 1983.

Watson, Paul. Seal Wars. Key Porter Books, Toronto, 2002

p. 141 ff

https://books.google.ca/books?id=qp...ved=0CCAQ6AEwAWoVChMItbH_v43exgIVQVYeCh3mjA-8

Nothing like being charged for resisting arrest against people who had no authority to arrest you, all for being a witness to animal cruelty. Personally I admire the group for going to such lengths to stand up for those who cannot speak for themselves.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Nothing like being charged for resisting arrest against people who had no authority to arrest you, all for being a witness to animal cruelty. Personally I admire the group for going to such lengths to stand up for those who cannot speak for themselves.

Well there are always two sides of the story. IMO the hunt needed to be reformed and modernized (and it has been, with rifles and a moratorium on killing pups) but not ended:

In many minds there can be no argument: seal predation on fish is now at an excessive level, and is “preventing the rebuilding” of the fish stocks. The demands for increased killing of seals and the establishment of “seal exclusion zones” in Atlantic Canada are getting louder.

http://fisherycrisis.com/seals/sealsncod.htm

an estimated eight million harp seals inhabit Newfoundland’s eastern coast, 400% higher than the DFO’s 1950 estimate

For instance, harp seals consume tenfold Canada’s annual seafood export and are a major impediment to regenerating Newfoundland’s vulnerable fish population.

https://aimsblogst.wordpress.com/2013/11/13/dispellingmythscanadasealhunt/

The government is doing all it can to rebuild the seal industry including serving seal meat to poor unsuspecting dignitaries http://www.thestar.com/news/2009/11/18/parliamentary_restaurant_to_serve_seal_meat.html , and investing in the seal meat industry http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfo...s-half-million-dollars-in-seal-meat-1.2454366

I put "save the seals" in the same category as "save the raccoons"...they don't need saving, but darned are they cute.

A lot of damage was done to the depressed east coast economy because of wealthy activists from Toronto.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Well that's interesting Snooper, thanks. About two years before DM made his grand entry. Planned or unexpected, I wonder...MOO.

Have you read the book Snooper?

I just skimmed the chapter about WM and MB and that's all there is on them.

'83 - seals
'84 - CM's wife and WM's mother, DM, dies
'85 - DM born

 

[swedie]

Pretty formulated.
On the other hand we haven't heard about him buying expensive "toys" in the months after WM's death - nothing. If one wants to be nasty: even a little truck he didn't buy at that time.

How about the condo purchase the day after TB was murdered?

Seems DM's logic was, why buy when you can steal. MOO.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Nothing like being charged for resisting arrest against people who had no authority to arrest you, all for being a witness to animal cruelty. Personally I admire the group for going to such lengths to stand up for those who cannot speak for themselves.

Why did the family wear leather then, e.g., in the engagement photos DM is wearing leather shoes and a leather jacket http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2013/12/dellen-millards-engagement-photos.html

 

[Alethea Dice]

If DM were charged for the chop shop and those charges were made public, wouldn't it be hugely prejudicial to release that information in the face of the TB case? (Seeing as it looked as if TB's truck was going to be chopped...I mean more than just taking the seats out.)

Actually, I don't think it would be any more prejudicial than to release the rumour about hundreds of stolen vehicles and parts and then to just leave that in the public's mind with no further information about the outcome of that investigation.

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

Well if CEO was a real job, DM was a real failure.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_executive_officer

Basically DM directed MA into the toilet. Way to go!



Yes, you are right here, the Region would not make the process public.

DM seemed to do much of what is in that definition for a CEO. He attended the negotiation meetings, he met with the consultant to review his progress and why no business was coming in, he made the executive decision to dismantle the business when there were no foreseeable profits coming in. Of course, his official duties would be much more involved had there ever been any actual business developed for him to oversee. Since there wasn't, we will never know how he would have fared in that position.

Yes, the Region would not make the process public because the "family firm has blocked the release of government-held documents". Not that it matters since most, if not all, of the negotiations were made public anyway under the Freedom of Information legislation. We know the costs, how much council approved for the expansion, how much MillardAir agreed to pay for it's share, how much the building permit was for, etc..

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

Why did the family wear leather then, e.g., in the engagement photos DM is wearing leather shoes and a leather jacket http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2013/12/dellen-millards-engagement-photos.html

I don't see any pictures of "the family" (WM and MB who fought the seal hunt) wearing leather in those photos. FWIW, I don't see a label saying genuine leather anywhere either.

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

I later found out that the charges against Wayne Millard and Madeline Burns had also been dropped. The government had been embarrassed enough.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=qpEVAQAAIAAJ&dq=madeleine+burns+wayne+millard&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=madeleine+burns+wayne+millard

Good to know their filming didn't result in a criminal record.

Anybody who receives a conviction under the Criminal Code of Canada receives a criminal record. This record will be held by the RCMP until the individual reaches 80, or sometimes 100 years old, with a few exceptions:
...
Non Convictions: If your charges were dismissed, stayed or withdrawn, or did not result in a conviction then you will not have a criminal record. However, even if the charges did not result in a conviction your personal information is still on the RCMP system. You can request that this information be destroyed (known as a File Destruction Request) through your arresting police station. Law enforcement may choose to deny this request.

http://boyneclarke.com/resources/entry/general-information-about-criminal-records-and-pardons

If charges did not result in a conviction, but your record is on the RCMP system you may contact the investigating police service and ask them to request that your fingerprints and all information taken at the time of arrest be destroyed. The police service may choose to deny this request for specific reasons.

Local police services have their own policy and you should contact them for more information on how non-conviction records are managed. The RCMP has a policy which outlines the criteria they use to determine if the non-conviction information can be destroyed, including compelling reasons to deny the request.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cr-cj/rs-ed-eng.htm

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

How about the condo purchase the day after TB was murdered?

Seems DM's logic was, why buy when you can steal. MOO.

The condo was purchased before TB was murdered and closed the day after. How does buying a condo show the logic of "why buy when you can steal"?

JMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

I don't see any pictures of "the family" (WM and MB who fought the seal hunt) wearing leather in those photos. FWIW, I don't see a label saying genuine leather anywhere either.

JMO

So I guess when he buys mom that Tesla, he's have the nappa leather interior ripped out and refinished in Naugahyde?

What about the "ugs [sic] for men" he told a groupie he prefers over common trainers? http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...rn-to-world-of-fast-cars-and-exotic-adventure

 

[Tamarind]

Well there are always two sides of the story. IMO the hunt needed to be reformed and modernized (and it has been, with rifles and a moratorium on killing pups) but not ended:



http://fisherycrisis.com/seals/sealsncod.htm




https://aimsblogst.wordpress.com/2013/11/13/dispellingmythscanadasealhunt/

The government is doing all it can to rebuild the seal industry including serving seal meat to poor unsuspecting dignitaries http://www.thestar.com/news/2009/11/18/parliamentary_restaurant_to_serve_seal_meat.html , and investing in the seal meat industry http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfo...s-half-million-dollars-in-seal-meat-1.2454366

I put "save the seals" in the same category as "save the raccoons"...they don't need saving, but darned are they cute.

A lot of damage was done to the depressed east coast economy because of wealthy activists from Toronto.

I believe WM is a victim here. Be it at his own hand or otherwise he is now deceased. I am trying to figure out why his life moments are now being attacked along with his ex wife. I thought attacking the victim was a no go area? I can see some may dislike some guy connected to the seal matter, (for whatever personal reason) but what does he have to do with the Bosma/Millard/Babcock cases and why does it seem to be an all out attack on WM's desire to fight animal cruelty? Surely WM should be afforded the same rights as TB and IMHO animal rights are something that should be considered admirable. JMO

 

[Tamarind]

So I guess when he buys mom that Tesla, he's have the nappa leather interior ripped out and refinished in Naugahyde?

What about the "ugs [sic] for men" he told a groupie he prefers over common trainers? http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...rn-to-world-of-fast-cars-and-exotic-adventure

The seal matter was about WM/MB. Why is DM always brought into the firing line even when the matter of WM is questionable being as he is considered a victim, by his own hand or otherwise?

DM was apparently born a full two years after the seal matter, I am just wondering why this is now becoming directed at DM?