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When it comes to George and Cindy they both IMO stink to high heaven!! Not only have they covered up for CA on many things they also refused to take a lie detector test.

Now how many of us normal people who would be in a situation (god forbid) that a grandbaby was missing and later found dead refuse to take a test!!

If there is nothing to hide why not? :waitasec:
 
She knew about the smell in the car when she went with GA to pick up the car at the tow yard. She then "went back to work," where she was telling her coworkers about the smell. Her coworkers encouraged her to call the police, or go home. CA's reply, "she wanted to discuss it with KC first". Finally, her supervisor told her to go home mid afternoon.
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Yes but at that time she still thought Caylee and Casey were together. It wasnt until later that night when Casey refused to take Cindy to Caylee that Cindy started to see the light.
 
I have always thought that the 24th, the day that KC was surprised at home by GA, was the day of the disposal by KC. I have also played with the possibility that GA found the body after leaving the towyard and dropped Caylee's body off on the way home. The laundry bag could have been in the wheelwell or covered with items so it would not have been that visible in the towyard. He might have gotten rid of it right then and there knowing that CA would be all over the car and the trunk once he arrived home. There was not much time to do this and so it was left hastily down the road from where they live. After this was done, he did not have the courage or the stomach to go back and hide it in a better place, but could have easily observed the activity in the area by glancing out his car window in the normal activities of the day. I still can't believe that LE or the FBI had never asked him in his many interviews why didn't he call 911 from the towyard, especially since he was telling them all that he knew what the smell was. I imagine that after the cleanup of the car, GA being ex-LE, wanted to stick as close to the schedule as possible so as not to arouse suspicion hence their both going to work and playing dumb. I'm still wondering exactly what was on the items that CA washed since she did not wash everything. I have always thought of GA as one sneaky guy and a big player in all of this.
 
Lexington said:
I have always thought that the 24th, the day that KC was surprised at home by GA, was the day of the disposal by KC. I have also played with the possibility that GA found the body after leaving the towyard and dropped Caylee's body off on the way home. The laundry bag could have been in the wheelwell or covered with items so it would not have been that visible in the towyard. He might have gotten rid of it right then and there knowing that CA would be all over the car and the trunk once he arrived home. There was not much time to do this and so it was left hastily down the road from where they live. After this was done, he did not have the courage or the stomach to go back and hide it in a better place, but could have easily observed the activity in the area by glancing out his car window in the normal activities of the day. I still can't believe that LE or the FBI had never asked him in his many interviews why didn't he call 911 from the towyard, especially since he was telling them all that he knew what the smell was. I imagine that after the cleanup of the car, GA being ex-LE, wanted to stick as close to the schedule as possible so as not to arouse suspicion hence their both going to work and playing dumb. I'm still wondering exactly what was on the items that CA washed since she did not wash everything. I have always thought of GA as one sneaky guy and a big player in all of this.
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George knows a lot about a lot of things.
 
Lexington said:
I have always thought that the 24th, the day that KC was surprised at home by GA, was the day of the disposal by KC. I have also played with the possibility that GA found the body after leaving the towyard and dropped Caylee's body off on the way home. The laundry bag could have been in the wheelwell or covered with items so it would not have been that visible in the towyard. He might have gotten rid of it right then and there knowing that CA would be all over the car and the trunk once he arrived home. There was not much time to do this and so it was left hastily down the road from where they live. After this was done, he did not have the courage or the stomach to go back and hide it in a better place, but could have easily observed the activity in the area by glancing out his car window in the normal activities of the day. I still can't believe that LE or the FBI had never asked him in his many interviews why didn't he call 911 from the towyard, especially since he was telling them all that he knew what the smell was. I imagine that after the cleanup of the car, GA being ex-LE, wanted to stick as close to the schedule as possible so as not to arouse suspicion hence their both going to work and playing dumb. I'm still wondering exactly what was on the items that CA washed since she did not wash everything. I have always thought of GA as one sneaky guy and a big player in all of this.
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George stopping somewhere on the way home to check the trunk more thoroughly, finding Caylee's remains, and disposing of them on the way home is a possibility. After the police were called, it would have been too risky to have gone back to the dump site and try to do a better job. The local media was soon camped outside the Anthony home and watching for any activity.

When George went to work later that day, he might have planned on retrieving Caylee's remains and disposing of them far from the Anthony home. He didn't anticipate Cindy calling the police, and the involvement of the police prevented him from doing anything further.

For some reason, I seem to remember reading something that made me think George was surprised and dismayed that Cindy called the police.
 
I think George did see the laundry bag and smelled the trunk on the 24 of Aug. He did call the police that day. Maybe he called the police because he knew what was in the trunk by the smell and chickened out by the time the police took the report about the gas cans. Is this plausible?
 
Amil said:
I think George did see the laundry bag and smelled the trunk on the 24 of Aug. He did call the police that day. Maybe he called the police because he knew what was in the trunk by the smell and chickened out by the time the police took the report about the gas cans. Is this plausible?
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Absolutely-And maybe when he spoke to CA she covered for KC again or told GA to back off.
 
Amil said:
I think George did see the laundry bag and smelled the trunk on the 24 of Aug. He did call the police that day. Maybe he called the police because he knew what was in the trunk by the smell and chickened out by the time the police took the report about the gas cans. Is this plausible?
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This would be a good theory; however, the call was made by GA to LE before KC showed up at the house on June 24th.
 
IIRC, CA did not speak to KC on the first few days she was gone. It looks like KC tried to call CA, but she did not answer her phone-Maybe after GA saw KC that day, it raised concerns, and CA started to panic...Thus the MySpace "Caylee is Missing" post and sending LA out to find KC within the next week and a half.
Maybe CA was trying to give the silent treatment/tough love or she was just pissed at KC after the 15th fight, but this changed things. I will pull up that phone thread and post over there regarding calls and frequency during this time.....
 
I personally don't feel that George or Cindy had anything to do with moving Caylee to that area in the woods. I feel that Casey did that all on her own without her parents knowing anything about it. I do feel however that George and Cindy knew that something horrible had happened because of the smell in the trunk. I don't think that they knew at that time that it was because of Caylee though. I feel that they simply began cleaning up for Casey while thinking that she had gotten herself into trouble by someone else being deceased and in the trunk. I also feel that Cindy would never have called the police if it had in fact been someone else who had died. When Casey refused to tell Cindy where Caylee was or take her to her then Cindy called 911 the first two times to make Casey produce Caylee. When Cindy made that last 911 call is when she realized that Caylee was dead (IMO) and Casey was going to pay for it. However, Cindy and George had already cleaned the car and Casey was going to use that against them to make them stand by her and defend her. So I do believe that Cindy and George knew someone had died, just not Caylee at first.

MOO
 
Love all the input!! I didn't mean to imply that CA "bagged her", I believe that she was already bagged. The results from the Body Farm indicated that the "odor signature" was that of a decomposing body left uncontained (not sealed) for 2.6 days. I do think KC placed Caylee (bless her), in the trunk initially just wrapped in a blanket, then she "bagged her" and concealed her in the trunk. IMO if Caylees' remains were left in the trunk until after the car was picked up from the tow yard, decomposition would occur more rapidly given how hot it would have been in the trunk and thus advancing to the stage of being near skeletonized by July 16th. I do believe CA's 3rd 911 call was genuine, but perhaps she put 2 and 2 together later that night (not before she called 911). Any of the A's had the opportunity after the police left that night to do their own investigating........The A's have always covered for KC's "messes". Perhaps KC was being truthful when she said " I have no idea where my daughter is". I don't know, GA has always done Ca's bidding and as another poster said, perhaps CA knew nothing of it and GA was trying to shield CA from the awful truth. I can't believe LE did not seize the car immediately, IMO there was the means, motive and time for one of the A's to remove the remains.
 
Caylee was never in a sealed container that we know of. She was in two plastic trash bags that are tied at the top, not sealed, fluid can easily seep out of plastic trash bags. Once decomp starts there would be fluids, a lot of fluids and the car would have smelled worst than it actually did within a week had the body still been in there. After three weeks in a trunk the employees from AMSCOT would have been calling the police the smell would have been so bad.

It's possible KC tried to clean the trunk the day she went to JG's apartment to take a shower. She told Tony she was working so a shower in the middle of the day points to her wanting to get something off her asap. Since she could not go home and could not go to Tony's, JG was the obvious choice. Have to check JG's depo to find which day she stopped at his apartment for the shower. JMO
 
i believe its possible that ga inadvertently helped to dispose of caylee. i say this because of a couple of things. i think that casey had always intended to go back and get her car. she called amy for her gas and cans but by the time she got back to it it was gone. the way george screamed at reporters that was not my grandaughter in the trunk, almost as if hes trying to convince himself. what if casey calls daddy and says oh my cars messed up again and i ran over something. i wrapped it up in bags and forgot to get rid of it. can u help me out? georges sense of guilt almost strikes me as he knows something but didnt realize it until he got the car out, and put two and two together
 
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I really do not believe George or Cindy had anything to do with the killing or disposal of Caylee. I believe based on all I have read that Casey acted alone. The disposal close to home and the blanket/bagging are congruent psychologically and statistically with mothers involved in maternal fillicide.

But a study by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children shows that fathers are far more violent. And mothers frequently dispose of the corpses in what researchers call a "womblike" fashion. Bodies are swaddled, submerged in water, or wrapped in plastic. Moreover, the NCMEC study showed that while the victims of maternal killings are almost always found either in or close to the home, fathers will, on average, dispose of the bodies hundreds of miles away. All these behaviors suggest that women associate these murders with themselves, their homes, and their bodies.
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http://www.slate.com/id/2063086/
 
belle3 said:
i believe its possible that ga inadvertently helped to dispose of caylee. i say this because of a couple of things. i think that casey had always intended to go back and get her car. she called amy for her gas and cans but by the time she got back to it it was gone. the way george screamed at reporters that was not my grandaughter in the trunk, almost as if hes trying to convince himself. what if casey calls daddy and says oh my cars messed up again and i ran over something. i wrapped it up in bags and forgot to get rid of it. can u help me out? georges sense of guilt almost strikes me as he knows something but didnt realize it until he got the car out, and put two and two together
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In Tony L's deposition he stated that he had asked KC about the car when he was in NY and KC said her father had taken care of the car and brought it to the mechanics or dealership (he wasn't quite sure which one). We know that GA did not pick up the car it was towed. KC had no plans to go back and get that car and shemay have thought it had been stolen. When you think about it that would have been to her advantage now wouldn't it.
 
LambChop said:
Caylee was never in a sealed container that we know of. She was in two plastic trash bags that are tied at the top, not sealed, fluid can easily seep out of plastic trash bags. Once decomp starts there would be fluids, a lot of fluids and the car would have smelled worst than it actually did within a week had the body still been in there. After three weeks in a trunk the employees from AMSCOT would have been calling the police the smell would have been so bad.

It's possible KC tried to clean the trunk the day she went to JG's apartment to take a shower. She told Tony she was working so a shower in the middle of the day points to her wanting to get something off her asap. Since she could not go home and could not go to Tony's, JG was the obvious choice. Have to check JG's depo to find which day she stopped at his apartment for the shower. JMO
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I believe it was July 1st....I was thinking this same thing a while back, and found the 1st on the WS timeline....Will look again to be sure.
But it would make sense, because JG said she did not look like she needed to take a shower.
Here is the link to the timeline, puts KC there July 1st :(:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2008-7-1&c=4
 
Just Jayla said:
I believe it was July 1st....I was thinking this same thing a while back, and found the 1st on the WS timeline....Will look again to be sure.
But it would make sense, because JG said she did not look like she needed to take a shower.
Here is the link to the timeline, puts KC there July 1st :(:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2008-7-1&c=4
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Thanks Jayla. That rules out her cleaning out the car because the car was in the tow yard at that point. So she just may not have had a place to sleep that night and had to spend it in the car.
 
Lexington said:
This would be a good theory; however, the call was made by GA to LE before KC showed up at the house on June 24th.
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Yes, the police report was made in the morning IIRC, and Casey showed up at the house, not expecting George to be home, about mid afternoon. She evidently thought he would have left for work. She was surprised to find him home, and he was surprised by her showing up.

I do think George saw something in the trunk that day, or smelled something. But I don't think he confided his thoughts to Cindy. Her actions on July 15th indicate she knew something was wrong, but didn't put two and two together until after the 911 calls. I think if she suspected Caylee was dead, and Casey had killed her, she never would have made those 911 calls.
 
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