Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 1/15 thru 1/20 Break

[bsk]

I remember hearing that her parents called the police on her. That is not something a couple of drug using parents would do!

If that's the case I stand corrected.

 

[rose222]

Arias took an enormous risk by committing the murder right before the roommates were expected to get home. She waited for Travis to get into the shower to murder him. If she had planned on shooting him then she could have done so while he slept at night or in the afternoon--no mess and she could have been on her way to see Ryan much sooner than she actually did. She had to get him in the shower because she planned on using the knife and knew that it would be a bloody murder. I'm open to the gun-first scenario but even in that case I do believe that Arias planned on using two weapons. She was handy with knives as evidenced by the fact that she slashed Travis' tires, all four of them!

I do think that Arias was very attractive. She had a great figure, nice, round babyish face and nice hair. I agree with oceanblueeyes that she looked better as a brunette. I've shown my male friends (who are in their 20's and 30's)and they all agreed that she was very pretty. They also agreed about her looking better as a brunette but they are biased in that they prefer brunettes to blondes (think Angelina Jolie in Tomb Raiders). Anyway, if I put aside her evilness and the nasty naked photos then I do see her 'beauty'. She has lost it now though. If she had maintained her 2008 looks, less snarky personality (48 hours interview) and confessed to murdering Travis in a jealous rage then she might have had a chance at freedom some day. Her need for revenge, pride and overall vileness of spirit has done her in.

 

[bsk]

Saying JA is pretty is like saying a mannequin is pretty. Her eyes are just dead! There is nothing nice below the surface that I have seen. In fact, the more she opens her mouth, the uglier I think she is.

Have you seen what mannequins look like lately? Va-va-voom!!

Just kidding of course. :innocent:

I was just talking about her face - it's okay besides her eyes, though she has aged a lot these 6.5 years. The skin on her arms is really pasty, but I figure that's due to being locked up most of the time and not seeing much of any sun.

 

[RickshawFan]

When she says the murder was "out of character", nothing could be further from the truth. Whatever Travis did or didn't do, his murder is ultimately the product of who she is - precisely in character. And that's why she'd kill again. She as much as said so herself in the Ryan Owens interview: "If you're not abusing me and attacking me and threatening to kill my life, there's no reason to fear". But there is, because in Arias' World just about anything could be perceived as "abuse" or an "attack" or "threat".

I'm guessing TA thought a murder would reflect JA's character as well. Every sign suggests he was afraid of her and concerned about his safety. He had her figured out.

 

[MeeBee]

Can you point me to links for Dr. De Marte's testimony during the Marissa Devaul trial? I've been searching in vain! TIA

I sure can just let me find them. They were clips in a news report but you still got the point.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

I remember hearing that her parents called the police on her. That is not something a couple of drug using parents would do!

SANDRA ARIAS: She did. And I don`t -- I don`t know. I told her one day, I said, You need some help, Jodi. I said, You`ve got this fantasy in your head that you had a rotten childhood and that we searched your room all the time and we did all this stuff, and we didn`t. And you need some help because that didn`t happen.

The only time we ever searched her room was when she was in 8th grade and she was (INAUDIBLE) and she was growing pot. And we were getting ready to move, and couldn`t find my Tupperware container. She had it on the roof, growing pot on the roof with her friends.

And so we called the police and turned her in and wanted something done, you know, to scare her and whatever.

 

[MeeBee]

http://www.fox10phoenix.com/story/2...ist-diagnoses-marissa-devault-as-a-psychopath

Demarte was able to talk about Devault's lack of remorse and manipulative-ness.

 

[RickshawFan]

Arias has been elevated (mostly by other women) into something far more than what she actually is. Something about female killers and particularly this female killer has inspired a level of paranoia, despite the actual facts.

I believe part of this is psychological on (especially) women's parts. Although it is hard to acknowledge it, I think perhaps many women are secretly fearful they could be like JA, even though from anyone else's (friends, family, acquaintances, colleagues) perspective this is impossible. All of us have a dark side, and it's almost easy to wonder if it could take us even partially to JA's perverseness. In order to distance ourselves and protect ourselves from even a single similarity to JA, we pile bad on bad. I mean, seriously, she might actually be good at baking cookies, she might be good at BJ's, her handwriting is generally legible, but she has been vilified in every possible detail. Partly she's wrecked any speck of a positive attribute by herself, but we are also quick to join the wrecking party. Puleeze let me not be like her!

 

[Hope4More]

Beauty is a subjective thing of course, but by most standards Arias was attractive. She had a very nice figure (yes, enhanced breasts), she was trim and in good shape (which is considered an attractive feature), she made the most of her looks by whatever she used as her standard -- died her hair blonde, wore an appropriate amount of makeup but not so much that it looked clown-like. Her hair is (or was) quite beautiful. In pictures of her during the time she dated TA, she looked to me like a very attractive young woman, and certainly one that many men would find attractive. She had talents that she threw away, along with the rest of her life, by the choices she made.

Using this post to reply to posts in general about JA's looks. I could care less whether anyone agrees or disagrees with my opinion about whether or not she's pretty, and I guess I don't remember any group think about it one way or another here.

She to me, in my subjective objective opinion -- -- isn't particularly pretty. I think Ocean said eyes feature largely in her idea of beauty. Mine too, and by that criteria she's butt ugly.


Overall she seemed to be shooting for a Barbie kind of pretty, which does nothing for me. My husband took one look at one photo of her, shrugged, and told me she looked like a *advertiser censored*. I don't know about that, but no, not pretty to me. Just isn't.

Nor do I think she's either especially talented, or particularly smart. I'm from a family of artists (though not one myself), so maybe I just have snobby standards, but her photography is barely mediocre and her tracings are devoid of both originality and life. She's fluent verbally, but I don't equate that with intelligence. Her journal writings reveal an unreflective, unoriginal, and uninteresting mind , IMO.

And no, I don't think she is a criminal master mind or the incarnation of evil either. She's just a hateful, unbalanced murderer.

Has felt great to have spent the past few days thinking and doing loving happy fun things away from here and all things her related.

 

[LinasK]

I believe part of this is psychological on (especially) women's parts. Although it is hard to acknowledge it, I think perhaps many women are secretly fearful they could be like JA, even though from anyone else's (friends, family, acquaintances, colleagues) perspective this is impossible. All of us have a dark side, and it's almost easy to wonder if it could take us even partially to JA's perverseness. In order to distance ourselves and protect ourselves from even a single similarity to JA, we pile bad on bad. I mean, seriously, she might actually be good at baking cookies, she might be good at BJ's, her handwriting is generally legible, but she has been vilified in every possible detail. Partly she's wrecked any speck of a positive attribute by herself, but we are also quick to join the wrecking party. Puleeze let me not be like her!

Disagree. Speaking only for myself, as a female. I'm not "piling on" because I fear I could be like Jodi. Even if I thought I could slit a man's throat or shoot someone, neither of which I'm psychologically capable of, I'm not a stalker, I don't slash tires, I wouldn't torture my victims' family by sending them flowers, and I'm not a liar.
This woman is a sicko who deserves to be put to Death!!! I felt the same way about Scott Peterson, Oscar Pistorius, Joran Van Der Sloot, and Casey Anthony.

 

[bsk]

Disagree. Speaking only for myself, as a female. I'm not "piling on" because I fear I could be like Jodi. Even if I thought I could slit a man's throat or shoot someone, neither of which I'm psychologically capable of, I'm not a stalker, I don't slash tires, I wouldn't torture my victims' family by sending them flowers, and I'm not a liar.
This woman is a sicko who deserves to be put to Death!!! I felt the same way about Scott Peterson, Oscar Pistorius, Joran Van Der Sloot, and Casey Anthony.

BBM - Dang. From your picture and name I thought for sure....

 

[LinasK]

BBM - Dang. From your picture and name I thought for sure....

Common mistake since I changed my avatar to that of my missing cousin.

 

[bsk]

Common mistake since I changed my avatar to that of my missing cousin.

Ah, now I get it!

 

[Madeleine74]

I don't automatically think all killers should get the DP, not even every 1st degree murderer. Some I think yes, and others I think no. With Arias I don't have a strong opinion either way. If the jury gives her death, then fine. If the jury decides otherwise or hangs and the judge gives her LWOP, then fine. For me that guilty verdict for 1st degree murder was *the* most important thing, the verdict that will lock her away forever. That put my mind at ease. I know she'll be in Perryville and her only way out will be in a pine box. I can deal with that.

I was thrilled when Richard Ramirez got the DP (though he died from cancer and not being executed), Scott Peterson, David Alan Westerfield, and ditto the Petit Family murderers (2 of them), as well as Richard Allan Davis, Alejandro Avila, and other child kidnappers & murderers. Can't think of one case where I felt strongly about the killer getting the DP but the killer only got LWOP.

 

[katydid23]

Just took a walk through memory lane. Anybody remember this interview with the killer, on the day she was found guilty? :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLz6eM83F3o



I wish they could show this to the jury. yuk

at about 4:52 she tells about a 'dream' she supposedly had about Travis. And she bashes him with a sweet smile. Says she dreamt that he was in the holding cell, and she asked what he was doing and he said " We ALL have to do time for what we have done." GMAFB

 

[ElleElle]

Why Mexico? It was a rental car as well so what was the plan for that once she got there?

Ditch it once she got to her destination.JMO

 

[ElleElle]

The Crown cut a deal with her so she would testify against Bernardo, who was considered the worse of the 2 of them and for doing that they gave her 12 years behind bars. I suppose it was thought that had it not been for Bernardo, she wouldn't have killed anyone, and she didn't actually kill anyone by herself, though she did help Bernardo lure his victims, and she was just as legally culpable. These kinds of deals are pretty common to ensure conviction of the worst of the 2 offenders. Same with the wife of notorious sex killer, Gerald Gallegos. She helped lure victims based on his threats and insistence.

Arias acted alone and it wasn't done to act out a fantasy--she was getting revenge against this person who she felt had hurt her in some way no other person had before (that's not an excuse, btw). Arias is not the type to go out and kill random people just for the heck of it. Only someone in a relationship with her would be most vulnerable and then only if some kind of thing happened where her abandonment rage was triggered. That's how I see her. Where a gang banger will kill just to increase their street cred or because they feel like it, they don't even have to know the victims or have any animosity against them whatsoever, and in fact, often don't.

BBM ~ It was more than luring his victims. She helped him drug, rape, and ultimately kill her own sister. Anyways, I guess why it was called a "Deal with the Devil".

And, yes, Arias is worse, especially when she planned his murder solo.

 

[elementary]

"Not even close."

No woman posted "in a deviant class of her own."

I did.

"Despite the actual facts"?

Here are the actual facts.

Twenty-nine stab wounds to an unsuspecting and unarmed naked man:

Wounds to his back in a cluster, sharp force trauma, tight wounds in rapid progression;
Wounds to the neck;
Wounds to the chest;
Wounds to the abdomen;
Wounds to the fingers and hand;
Wounds to the forearm;
Wounds to the leg, feet, and knee; and
Wounds to the head.

But those are only most of the stab wounds.

She also slit his throat and finished him off with a gunshot through the head as testified by the autopsy-performing medical expert.

Those are the facts.

"very run of the mill"?

I'd second guess your "experts".

"Experts"?

"Not even close."

The attempt to portray this extremely violent murderer as mediocre or not particularly evil requires the suppression and ignorance of facts.

So she hasn't yet killed again while awaiting sentence?

When your 'impatience' is rewarded, you read it here first.

Amen.

I find it absurd to discuss evil as if there is lesser evil and more severe evil. And that somehow what one might deem a 'lesser evil" is not so bad compared to others, losing sight of the only essential fact.

Fact is evil is evil. What does it matter how many she cold bloodedly murdered and mutilated or how? One is enough. Evil is evil. That's all we need to know. It tells us everything. (I also think that evil as a construct is not quantifiable.)

Similarly, given her head, and the proper regime, I am sure she would have made her masters proud. As would any evil other who is into sadism and murder.

 

[RickshawFan]

Any time in the past when someone remarks on her good looks they are jumped on for it, as if admitting she is attractive is somehow supportive of her or something. She was pretty. Very pretty. And that's a shame.

"I have seen photos where she appears attractive but I have no way of knowing if she ever looked like that."

I'm sorry, I don't follow?

I think maybe we could conclude that "pretty" is in the eyes of the beholder? I have never thought she was attractive: I just plain do not like her features.

 

[TexMex]

I think maybe we could conclude that "pretty" is in the eyes of the beholder? I have never thought she was attractive: I just plain do not like her features.

Yes. I guess all that matters is that, sadly, Travis found her beautiful