Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias #1

[Love Never Fails]

Or sadly, was screaming in fear of his life.

From crime shows i've watched, stabbing with a knife takes alot of effort. Jodi was much smaller than Travis so, it is difficult to picture that happening.

Mind you, he was cornered in the shower.

Argh! I wish she would say what really happened.

I think it's very possible that Jodi was on some type of drug (meth maybe?) that gave her that sort of super strength people talk about. Because not only did she slaughter him but she then drove many many miles to get to Utah without any rest. A normal person's body would just shut down with exhaustion. That didn't happen with her. By the time she was charged it was too late to know if she was using anything.

 

[krkrjx]

I think it's very possible that Jodi was on some type of drug (meth maybe?) that gave her that sort of super strength people talk about. Because not only did she slaughter him but she then drove many many miles to get to Utah without any rest. A normal person's body would just shut down with exhaustion. That didn't happen with her. By the time she was charged it was too late to know if she was using anything.

I do not think JA was on meth but she could have taken some type of drug--perhaps something caffeine based to keep awake for the drive. Just because she had no serious history of drug abuse doesn't mean she did not occasionally partake.

But for the commission of the crime, I lean more toward her being under the influence of an adrenalin rush. It is amazing what adrenalin can do to a person, giving them monumental strength and stamina.

 

[krkrjx]

I think the witnesses Arias puts emphasis on are the P.I. and the professional who evaluates her. That professional will be more at ease, more protected, with an attorney guiding her, rather than a pro se defendant. As for the private investigator, Arias will complain that the police evidence did not reach him timely and he needs to examine every item carefully. Although Arias was made to understand that it was necessary for him to go through the prosecution, ignorance of that would have been the cause of any delay.

I hope JSS does not allow any delays unless it is OK with Martinez. The defense team and the killer have had many months to prepare for this trial. That they waited until August to start doing interviews and evaluations should not be allowed to become someone else's problem.

 

[cindymac]

Well, like I said, relatively speaking, it didn't do as much damage as other calibre bullets. But it did its damage. It passed through his brain and skull and lodged in his cheek, which must have been extremely painful. Dr. Horn said that when a bullet goes through your head, there's an explosion of gas (or something, I'm not an expert and this was a while ago) that will cause disorientation, pain and confusion.

Jennifer Willmott: What I was talking about earlier was that with brain injuries, I mean we've all heard the stories of people- the person who had the arrow stuck through- went through his skull and hit his brain, or the person who had a, I don't know if it was an arrow or what, but it actually goes through the brain, and these people are coming to the E.R. You've heard those stories, right?
Kevin Horn: Those are different.
Jennifer Willmott: Okay. But those are people who've had brain injuries, right?
Kevin Horn: Not with projectiles.
Jennifer Willmott: Okay.
Kevin Horn: With firearms, you don't just have an arrow or an object passing through the head. With a firearm, you also have gas and you have an expansile cavity that damages the brain as it goes through. So you can shoot and arrow through the brain. It's a much lower velocity projectile and will not cause a large temporary cavity to open up in the brain tissue like a projectile would, like a firearm projectile would.
Jennifer Willmott: So those don't cause as much damage as a bullet does, is what you're saying?
Kevin Horn: That's right, that's right.

... at which point, having inadvertently emphasized the severity of gun shot wounds, Willmott switched topic.

 

[MeeBee]

Jennifer Willmott: What I was talking about earlier was that with brain injuries, I mean we've all heard the stories of people- the person who had the arrow stuck through- went through his skull and hit his brain, or the person who had a, I don't know if it was an arrow or what, but it actually goes through the brain, and these people are coming to the E.R. You've heard those stories, right?
Kevin Horn: Those are different.
Jennifer Willmott: Okay. But those are people who've had brain injuries, right?
Kevin Horn: Not with projectiles.
Jennifer Willmott: Okay.
Kevin Horn: With firearms, you don't just have an arrow or an object passing through the head. With a firearm, you also have gas and you have an expansile cavity that damages the brain as it goes through. So you can shoot and arrow through the brain. It's a much lower velocity projectile and will not cause a large temporary cavity to open up in the brain tissue like a projectile would, like a firearm projectile would.
Jennifer Willmott: So those don't cause as much damage as a bullet does, is what you're saying?
Kevin Horn: That's right, that's right.

... at which point, having inadvertently emphasized the severity of gun shot wounds, Willmott switched topic.

Oh, man. I've actually watched this particular exchange right here many many times for the lolz. Poor Wilmott. I'm not a lawyer but one thing you always hear is never ask a question you don't know the answer to. She asked him, actually she was telling him, that he had no medical evidence that it passed through the brain. He said very vehemently, yes I do. She asked again. Yes, I do. But you have no MEDICAL. Evidence. Cue wtf face...yes I do. Are you sure? YES. She lost the plot with that cross examination. Sometimes I can understand why Jodi wants to represent herself. And I remember her emphasizing the severity of the bullet wound. She also had similar gaffe later on, something directed at Dr. Demarte about not being able to interview the dead.

BUT thank you for reminding me of what Horn exactly said about expansion of gas. And thank you for your posts! A very appreciated welcome to WS!

 

[krkrjx]

Jennifer Willmott: What I was talking about earlier was that with brain injuries, I mean we've all heard the stories of people- the person who had the arrow stuck through- went through his skull and hit his brain, or the person who had a, I don't know if it was an arrow or what, but it actually goes through the brain, and these people are coming to the E.R. You've heard those stories, right?
Kevin Horn: Those are different.
Jennifer Willmott: Okay. But those are people who've had brain injuries, right?
Kevin Horn: Not with projectiles.
Jennifer Willmott: Okay.
Kevin Horn: With firearms, you don't just have an arrow or an object passing through the head. With a firearm, you also have gas and you have an expansile cavity that damages the brain as it goes through. So you can shoot and arrow through the brain. It's a much lower velocity projectile and will not cause a large temporary cavity to open up in the brain tissue like a projectile would, like a firearm projectile would.
Jennifer Willmott: So those don't cause as much damage as a bullet does, is what you're saying?
Kevin Horn: That's right, that's right.

... at which point, having inadvertently emphasized the severity of gun shot wounds, Willmott switched topic.

I logged in specifically to say thanks.

 

[ElleElle]

I have a question because by this time, on this case, my brain is mush. How do we know the gun jammed which Jodi has no memory of what happened?

I should not have assumed, but I thought there was 2 bullet casings left at the crime scene. May brain is mushier than mashed potatoes, so it is possible I am imagining this.

Sorry, will post in theories thread.

 

[MeeBee]

I should not have assumed, but I thought there was 2 bullet casings left at the crime scene. May brain is mushier than mashed potatoes, so it is possible I am imagining this.

Sorry, will post in theories thread.

There was only one.

 

[cindymac]

Oh, man. I've actually watched this particular exchange right here many many times for the lolz. Poor Wilmott. I'm not a lawyer but one thing you always hear is never ask a question you don't know the answer to. She asked him, actually she was telling him, that he had no medical evidence that it passed through the brain. He said very vehemently, yes I do. She asked again. Yes, I do. But you have no MEDICAL. Evidence. Cue wtf face...yes I do. Are you sure? YES. She lost the plot with that cross examination. Sometimes I can understand why Jodi wants to represent herself. And I remember her emphasizing the severity of the bullet wound. She also had similar gaffe later on, something directed at Dr. Demarte about not being able to interview the dead.

BUT thank you for reminding me of what Horn exactly said about expansion of gas. And thank you for your posts! A very appreciated welcome to WS!

Ditto - a much-watched fave of mine too. LOLZ indeed! As for Dr. Horn's expression - "wtf face" is PERFECT! lol

PS thanks for the welcome. I've been reading you all for the longest time.

 

[cindymac]

I logged in specifically to say thanks.

Thank you for your thank you. Everyone's very welcoming - so glad I joined (at last!)

 

[CarolinaMoon]

Aside from Dr. Horn's beautiful explanation about how the bullet would cause an expansion of gas which would seriously impair the victim, I'm also thinking of the location of the casing. It wasn't in the vicinity of the shower. It was laying in a pool of dried blood somewhere else (sorry, don't remember the details). The top of the casing was devoid of blood, showing that blood had been shed prior to the shooting. Had It been accidentally kicked there, there would have been blood on both sides.

 

[LambChop]

There was only one.

Yes, there was only one. And if JA is trying to say that Travis was abusive why just one shot if she used the gun first. She claims to have no memory after that so she cannot go back on her testimony without it creating doubt in the jury's mind. Also at the point she stabbed Travis in the chest he was not able to do much damage to her if he were attacking her which is proven by the fact that the only injury she had was to her finger from the knife blade. Staying there to stab him 29 times does not go along with her claim she wanted to escape. She finished the job because she did not want him to get out into the hall.

Another thing that strikes me as odd. Jodi claims the bedroom door was locked. But why didn't she unlock it before taking pictures of him if she knew he would not like it (which she testified to)? Jodi had every opportunity to not only unlock the door but to open it so she could have gotten out of the room if she did not trust his temper. I do not believe the door was locked and if it was Jodi locked it. jmo

 

[geevee]

Aside from Dr. Horn's beautiful explanation about how the bullet would cause an expansion of gas which would seriously impair the victim, I'm also thinking of the location of the casing. It wasn't in the vicinity of the shower. It was laying in a pool of dried blood somewhere else (sorry, don't remember the details). The top of the casing was devoid of blood, showing that blood had been shed prior to the shooting. Had It been accidentally kicked there, there would have been blood on both sides.

Bullet casing location:



And close up:



There are two large pools of blood on the middle of the bathroom floor that I think is the most likely place she shot him after dragging him there, but there's also an area of the baseboard that looks like it sustained damage but it seems too far away from the casing for her to have done it there.

 

[Niner]

JUSTICE FOR TRAVIS is coming September 29th!!

 

[Tuba]

Well, of course you are right, LambChop. The bedroom door was not locked when she committed the murder. http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/01/10/witness-arias-blood-was-smeared-alexanders-wall
We know that because there was blood in his bedroom but she lied. There was no ! excuse available to her to explain why she went back into the bath via the closet if she was in fear for her life. She could have left and she knew that and knows it today. What she did do was to lock that door after her crime.

 

[janx]

Did JA submit the wrong motion, and did Nurmi correct it once he was reinstated as counsel? See 9/2 and 9/10:

9/10/2014 NOT - Notice - Party (001) 9/10/2014
NOTE: NOTICE OF FILING
9/10/2014 MOT - Motion - Party (001) 9/11/2014
NOTE: Motion to Compel Access to Evidence
9/5/2014 LET - Letter - Party (001) 9/9/2014
9/5/2014 029 - ME: Status Conference - Party (001) 9/5/2014
9/5/2014 023 - ME: Order Entered By Court - Party (001) 9/5/2014
9/3/2014 SDD - Notice: Sealed Document - Party (001) 9/3/2014
NOTE: MINUTE ENTRY DATE 8/13/14- FILE DATE 8/13/14
9/2/2014 PPM � Pro Per Motion/Notice/Mail - Party (001) 9/9/2014 Defendant (2)
NOTE: MOTION TO RELEASE PROPERTY

 

[LinTX]

I think the property she was wanting released were the confiscated books from 2011 that she talked about in that hand written note to replace Nurmi. Supposedly they were to be a gift from her to someone, but these days we may see them come up for sale?

 

[ElleElle]

Why did the ME do the autospy outside the crime scene? Don't they normally attend the crime scene? This is what could of caused the confusion, IMO.

 

[ElleElle]

Even though I don't support this page, I still read it:

http://jodi-arias.wikispaces.com/Gunshot+first

 

[lonetraveler]

I think it's very possible that Jodi was on some type of drug (meth maybe?) that gave her that sort of super strength people talk about. Because not only did she slaughter him but she then drove many many miles to get to Utah without any rest. A normal person's body would just shut down with exhaustion. That didn't happen with her. By the time she was charged it was too late to know if she was using anything.

Oh I think she was high off of pure rage and could easily do the deed. She was so enraged that she planned it through to the very end. Trip and all, including "borrowing" the gas cans and the phone calls to the answering machine afterwards as well as attending the funeral.