Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 12/04 In recess Computer Exp Hearing

[elementary]

Could be. Or could be that he still has feelings for her. If she needs him, I think it's highly likely she's writing/calling from prison and thereby still manipulating him.

I got a very bad feeling from him when he was testifying. Almost like he'd propose from the witness stand if he could. There's a lot of psychological abuse that comes with being in a relationship with someone personality disordered but time and distance should allow blinders to come off and insight to occur. That it hasn't for him is very telling and honestly disturbing.

JMO

If she continues to be in touch with him, then his defence of her makes sense. I think that she is. Also, there are some people who cannot admit that they were manipulated and not loved.

 

[LinasK]

Sandra webber, Jason, george, aunt sue, mom, dad, sister, ex boyfriend, the girl she worked with at dennys. Thats 9.

Add Marc McGee- that's 10 witnesses.

 

[daisydomino]

This is why we need a live blogging journalist there who isn't limited to 140 characters per post, and being hosted on their employer's website would be much more given to sticking to verbatim questions, answers and rulings (objection - and the answer is....? Who knows, they've moved on to the silly pic). I'm grateful for what we do get from the tweets but honestly, only a couple seem to treat it as a job and not a day at the amusement park.

Ha! I should have (I should always) read before I post. I said almost the same thing. I'm glad I can afford to subscribe to karasoncrime.com because she does treat it as a job and she does a great job. I know this isn't the case for everyone—and frankly, if this case keeps going on forever I might not be able to keep my subscription. That's why I've been trying to pick out the informative Tweets and put them all together to share here. But yeah, that's like trying to make a silk purse from a bunch of Tweets.

 

[Amster]

Pushover or smitten...

Both...and incompetent

 

[LinTX]

I don't get it. Has JM had his computer forensics guys look at the 2008 image of the hard drive or not? Did they find this *advertiser censored* or not? Is it on the copy given to Dworkin or not? How is this difficult?

Basically yes, no, no and it isn't. Aren't you glad you asked?
This so called "expert" called both Melendez and Dworkin incompetent if they looked at the registry and didn't see *advertiser censored*. He says his way of using a clone instead of a compressed image allowed him to see things they didn't, but we're all supposed to take his word for it because he felt insulted that JM was still demanding an image copy or some proof of what happened. His report doesn't account for a huge amount of data, but he says it's because he deleted viruses before working on it, or I think that's what he was saying.

I have a feeling that instead of an image copy of the drive as it was left in 2009 - what this guy should have documented - will not be turned over. He will make one of his latest version, after deleting the viruses and pretend that's what he thought JM wanted. Or he'll make one of the 2008 version. But JM won't get what he wants, IMO.

 

[elementary]

They're claiming the laptop downloaded two (?) program updates when it was brought back from sleep mode at the scene, when it had internet connection. Then when it was powered up at the PD in 2009, they (one of the lawyers or LE) allowed them to update. Then somehow in 13 minutes JM and EF - in front of 2 defense attorneys - not only found, but then isolated and deleted 70,000 files. Or something...:waitasec:

I normally like Beth, but I sure wouldn't be asking her for computer advice. I suspect JM knows more about these issues than she does, but probably only because he's had to learn what really happened here?

There ya go. Don't proffer an opinion unless you know what you're talking about. Shame on Beth.

 

[LinTX]

Do we know if the witness list Nurmi talked about today is even a new witness list? That witnesses have been added? I could be so wrong, but what I got from the tweets was that Nurmi has 14 witnesses. He didmt say how many of them were affidavits, only that the three that wanted to testify in secret are now going to do affidavits. Juan said he had a problem with those three. Is it possible that all 14 witnesses are all actually affidavits. Juan had said before there were three witnesses and the rest are affidavits. I just didn't read in posts of tweets that it was a new witness list, but I could of missed it.

Per the docket, he submitted a revision on Monday:

12/1/2014 NOT - Notice - Party (001) 12/2/2014
NOTE: SUPPLEMENTAL NOTICE OF WITNESS FOR PENALTY PHASE

 

[bsk]

I don't get it. Has JM had his computer forensics guys look at the 2008 image of the hard drive or not? Did they find this *advertiser censored* or not? Is it on the copy given to Dworkin or not? How is this difficult?

In a similar vein, why wouldn't JSS keep it simple and tell BN to turn over two things by 5pm Monday or the defense motion is denied?
1) Clone of what they claim they got from Juan.
2) Clone of what they ended up with.

It's blatantly obvious that BN is trying to hide something. If the DT has nothing to fear from ignoring her, then why would they ever turn it over?

 

[geevee]

I've been so ridiculously buried at work that I have not had time to search and read about the retrial. It's killing me too. If it's not to much to ask, can someone help link me to YouTube videos of actual court so I can catch up? It's also killing me that I don't know what the jury questions were after the Sexpert testimony. I don't seem to be as good at searching this forum as I was last year. HELP?!?!? Thank you in advance....

There aren't any YouTubes of testimony - not until the verdict is given, but at the link below is a commentary, some pics and the jury questions and answers:

http://www.courtchatter.com/2014/12/jodi-arias-defense-expert-is-finally.html

 

[ohreally]

Per the docket, he submitted a revision on Monday:

Thank you. I didn't know about the docket change. I had only seen todays tweets.

ETA, I wonder if the revision was changing the three from secret witnesses to affidavits?

I guess I am floored if the judge allows on multiple new witnesses.

 

[elementary]

Am I the only one who thinks something may be wrong with the judge's health? Fanning legal papers at the bench, she looks so frazzled, I am just worried about her health and making it to the end of this trial through hell.

With all due respect, please stop it. Maybe she makes crazy decisions just like any other judge.

 

[MeeBee]

Your tongue was probably firmly in your cheek, but I've long believed that this is LKN's/JA's deliberate strategy; i.e., juror attrition and/or confusion.

Do we know if the witness list Nurmi talked about today is even a new witness list? That witnesses have been added? I could be so wrong, but what I got from the tweets was that Nurmi has 14 witnesses. He didmt say how many of them were affidavits, only that the three that wanted to testify in secret are now going to do affidavits. Juan said he had a problem with those three. Is it possible that all 14 witnesses are all actually affidavits. Juan had said before there were three witnesses and the rest are affidavits. I just didn't read in posts of tweets that it was a new witness list, but I could of missed it.

It did say in tweets it's 14 new witness but it's hard to tell. There was a new witness list filed last night, just not sure for which side, and now we have this.

 

[LinasK]

I always use common sense. To me, it's too early to say that she won't get off on som technicality. We haven't even started discussing the actual *advertiser censored* yet? What if the virus did lead to some websites with child *advertiser censored* on it? What if the judge decides that the computer shouldn't have been turned on? Yeah, I'm worried and until we get a ruling by JSS I won't pretend otherwise.



Even ^^ if the posibility for that happening is small.

BBM. Why? Why should it be a mitigating factor??? Even if Travis viewed kiddie *advertiser censored*, which he didn't- it's not illegal, and doesn't justify nor mitigate her murdering him. It would only make Jodi a vigilante, and that's been outlawed for at least 200 years. How could the Defense Team turning on the computer- because Flores nor Juan sure didn't- overturn her conviction on a technicality??? Viewing the evidence is called Discovery. Both sides have the right to do it. I don't even think Judge Stevens would be the one to overturn it, even if that was a remote possibility. Calm down, this is just more BS from the defense to give her the "fullest case" possible.:chillpill:

 

[AZlawyer]

In a similar vein, why wouldn't JSS keep it simple and tell BN to turn over two things by 5pm Monday or the defense motion is denied?
1) Clone of what they claim they got from Juan.
2) Clone of what they ended up with.

It's blatantly obvious that BN is trying to hide something. If the DT has nothing to fear from ignoring her, then why would they ever turn it over?

I think she did order him to turn over whatever it was Juan was asking for--I think. But the only way any of that is important is if Juan was saying that the *advertiser censored* is not on the 2008 mirror drive that Juan already has. Is he saying that? I didn't see any tweets saying that.

 

[Amster]

I am thinking this too. Maybe she is not well, but not sick enough to recuse herself. Something seems definitely off and I hope she is ok. Stress can reek havoc on the healthy mind and body. This trial has got to be over the top stressful for her. IMO

I disagree...how much stress can a few days of trial cause? Plus, she gets plenty of rest in between any testimony. Doesn't seem she bothers much with making rulings, running her courtroom....just mainly has secret chats with white noise. If anything difficult comes up....she just sends everyone home. KN and JW steer her in whatever direction they want to go.
She was fanning herself with a legal pad when JM was destroying JAs fave witness....she recovered nicely once mean, nasty Juan was put in his place.

 

[KarmicLaw]

There aren't any YouTubes of testimony - not until the verdict is given, but at the link below is a commentary, some pics and the jury questions and answers:

http://www.courtchatter.com/2014/12/jodi-arias-defense-expert-is-finally.html

Thank you so much! I'm listening to Beth now...but man, I really miss Croaker Queen's full court videos. So, the proceedings aren't being televised during this retrial? That's disappointing... :-(

 

[elementary]

I actually DO believe their strategy is to delay and drag out the trial so that more jurors drop out due to time conflicts and then it's an automatic mistrial.

And the judge's decisions are spurring it on, IMO. It's hard to believe she was ever a prosecutor.

 

[kaRN]

This is JMO, but from the fanning herself pic earlier, she may just be starting to go thru Menopause. And gah, what an awful time that could be.
Especially having to listen to this crazy back and forth line of questioning, I'd be going crazy too.

She isn't wearing any lipstick in that fanning picture. I wonder if she isn't sick but came in to work anyway because the trial is already dragging on endlessly. Might also explain the 2 hour lunch they took almost immediately after court started. Who knows

 

[LinTX]

To add just one thing to MeeBee's comments about juror #3, she was the "book writer" and did ask a lot of questions. She said she did that at times to call attention to something she wanted the other jurors to note or to think about, and since they were not able to discuss things, this was a way for her to do that. That might be why some of the questions didn't make sense, because they weren't really questions? I agree with MeeBee about her though. She was very well spoken and bright, but I'm not sure she was seeing things as most of us do. Of course, she is getting a *very* condensed version and knew very little about the case going in, but still, there was just something there...

 

[MeeBee]

I think she did order him to turn over whatever it was Juan was asking for--I think. But the only way any of that is important is if Juan was saying that the *advertiser censored* is not on the 2008 mirror drive that Juan already has. Is he saying that? I didn't see any tweets saying that.

I am now thoroughly sure I don't know what's going on. I don't know what Juan is saying, I don't know what BN actually looked at, I don't know what Juan is looking at now. I thought I understood what Juan wanted and now I don't.

Also, BN said...so why were all the files created in 2009 in re: to the copy that was provided Dworkin. Wilmott said, good point, we'll come back to that. And then they never did. Was it not really that important? Is it just because Lonnie received a copy that was made in 2009 of the original 2008 image and she knows that? This is so frustrating. I don't like it anymore.