Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Day 33
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wendiesan
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I strongly disagree with your statement and its implications.
If JA had "taken over" Travis's morals, he would have used her and many other women, he would have had a pornographic library, he would have had a well used bar and a drug problem, he would have beaten the hell out of JA for interfering with his plans, he would have beaten up his "rivals". JA would have been hospitalized with broken bones, bruises, lacerations and her DT would have been displaying X-rays of her injuries. For what she was doing to him, if he had allowed her to "take over his beliefs and morals", Travis Alexander would have killed her, not the other way around.
Instead, he kept seeing her potential for good, trying to encourage it until he realized what her game was really all about. And even then he couldn't see the destruction of which she was capable. Travis, while being tempted by some powerful and primitive urges, was, IMO, fighting to hold onto his morals and his beliefs gave him the strength to do so. In the beginning, Travis openly brought JA into many aspects of his life and introduced her to his friends. I think his experience with JA was at first a kind of sexual forbidden fruit, then maybe he thought he could save her (sort of a Florence Nightingale syndrome), and finally he just wanted her out of his life.
JA didn't take over Travis Alexander's beliefs or his morals. What she did was pretty classic abuser behaviour. (ALV was right in that it was an abusive relationship. Except JA was the abuser, not the victim.) JA did her best to isolate Travis from other influences by interfering with his relationships with his church, his friends, and his co-workers. She illegally hacked into his electronic accounts. She was an accomplished break and enter artist who stalked him relentlessly. She was gaslighting him, IMO, by intercepting emails, stealing items--like the ring, appearing without invitation at his door, turning off the household lights, lying to people about their relationship, lying to people about his promises to her, and, I'm willing to bet, much more of which no one was aware but Travis. Abusers tend to keep their victims very busy trying to figure out what is going on, putting out one fire after another. That way, it takes much longer for the victim to realize the enormity of the betrayal and the abuser has more lead to to prepare for an exit of their choosing. Unfortunately, the people around Travis who could see what was happening were unable to convince him that an important part of JA was broken and that he could not fix her.
IMO, we tend to expect people to treat us as we treat them. Despite the abominable treatment of Travis by his parents, he was a decent, normal guy who was capable of sustaining lasting friendships. He was not a fair weather friend. I think Travis gave JA many "second chances" because he believed whatever sob story she was spinning. No one has accused him of using abusive language or behaviour except JA, and that abusive language was pretty mild considering all she had done. And, because he was a decent enough guy, Travis at first thought she would return that decency. It took him a while to realize she was a remorseless stalker. He can't be blamed for not being able to stop her behaviour--if Letterman with all his security was unable to keep his stalker from breaking into his home several times and claiming she was his wife, then Travis can't be blamed for not being able to stop JA from her intrusions.
As for the sex--he was a healthy young man who enjoyed sex. Big deal. As my SIL has said, a single guy will do a balancing act between how much crazy and how much sexiness a woman may be offering. JA offered some physical pleasure, but we only have her words, the words of a proven liar, to say how often that pleasure occurred. We don't know if Travis wrote all the emails attributed to him since JA hacked his accounts. We don't know under what circumstances those pictures were taken. Also, I don't recall the Bishop saying that what Travis had done was irredeemable. From the evidence presented during this excessively long and detailed "retrial", we, can be sure that Travis was not looking at child *advertiser censored*. And if to the Bishop, Sears style catalogue pictures are pornographic, and we see much worse on TV, then it's doubtful that Travis was chasing down adult *advertiser censored* either. And even if he had been, there were options for him to atone and regain his status in his church. The DT has done a pretty thorough job of demonizing the murder victim for being a normal young man in the 21st century.
From what I've seen, Travis had honourable intentions towards Deanna and the other Mormon women he was dating (and I think JA as well in the beginning). He was looking for a wife, not a playmate, and it had become obvious that JA, through her own behaviour, could not be seen as a wife, a playmate, or even a friend. The ring that JA stole/"took without permission of the owner" had great meaning for him. He wanted to build his future with a woman who would happily be part of the Mormon community, not a con artist trying to ensnare him. If Travis had "taken on" JA's morals, marriage to a woman of that particular faith would have been the last thing he would have wanted. He was still holding onto the compassion, generosity of spirit, and responsibility instilled in him by his beliefs. IMO.
A man who is remembered with as much love and missed as much as it's been demonstrated that Travis Alexander is, may have been a man who had lost his way for a little while, but never his moral compass.
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I haven't seen this tweet from Steve here. What do you all think about it?
Steve Krafft ‏@SKrafftFox10 1m1 minute ago
But oddly, does this #jodiarias journal entry make her seem more unhinged and less of a candidate for death penalty?
Steve Krafft ‏@SKrafftFox10 1m1 minute ago
But oddly, does this #jodiarias journal entry make her seem more unhinged and less of a candidate for death penalty?
This is all the jury has heard to date about her "remorse."
JA: 10/30/14
Asked what she thinks seeing autopsy photos:
" I caused that pain, and those were his last moments. And it makes me sick and I wish- I wish so badly that I could just do that whole day all over again."
JA: 10/30/14
Asked what she thinks seeing autopsy photos:
" I caused that pain, and those were his last moments. And it makes me sick and I wish- I wish so badly that I could just do that whole day all over again."
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That's pretty funny. The mental illness didn't seem to bother her when she spent a month on the stand during the original trial.
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Is Jodi beta testing her allocution?Here's the latest Tweet from JA:
Jodi Arias Updates @JodiAnnArias · 8h 8 hours ago
Trial resumes Monday 2/9 - 9:30am MST #jodiarias #circustrial #witchtrial #abolishdeathpenalty
:gaah:
What's next? Jodi holding up a copy of The Los Angeles Times with a quote from Richard Nixon in bold text for the jury to see like Manson? They sure do seem to think alike.
JA, 10/30/14
Asked " what do you think" while hearing the VIMs (just a few hours earlier)
" I wish so badly that I could just take that away from them..(..) that I could take away what all these people are feeling that I have hurt, including Travis."
Asked " what do you think" while hearing the VIMs (just a few hours earlier)
" I wish so badly that I could just take that away from them..(..) that I could take away what all these people are feeling that I have hurt, including Travis."
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Considering how she has treated him in his death, it wouldn't surprise me if that's actually literally true - just so she could kill him all over again. She couldn't resist returning to the scene of the crime and requested looking at crime scene photos (while practically salivating) as well.
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For me it just shows how dangerous she is and the depth of her lies. Valid point tho.
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Hmmm...how does he square the fact that she testified in open court for 18 days during the 1st trial? Does he think the appeals court will just overlook that fact? Or decide that she only recently became 'mentally impaired'? I haven't seen that page before but read that Nurmi has filed a motion with Dr. Geff figuring into it somewhere, I was out all morning so still catching up.
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NOT ... all smiles ... and just look at how helpful she is with her defense
Jodi Arias enters the courtroom during the sentencing phase of her retrial at Maricopa County Superior Court in Phoenix on February 5, 2015.
(Photo: Photo: Mark Henle/The Republic)
Link: http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/mesa/2014/10/21/jodi-arias-trial-twitter-updates/17660021/
You gonna tell me Geff never went over test results with Nurmi et al? How could they determine what testimony to elicit if they didn't? Rediculous!
Prediction: When Juan gets Detective Smith on the stand we are going to hear some bombshells! It is now time to prove that Jodi was hacking Travis's accounts and manufacturing a relationship that did not exist. Juan said in open court that they had not been boyfriend and girlfriend for over a year. Juan does not just throw something out there. He has proof to back up his statements!
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What's this? "her mental impairments prevent her from testifying in open court?" This must be recent since she had no impairments in the first trial!!! What BS!!!! She got impairments since then?
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because if she "could take away what all these people are feeling" - there would be no need for a sentencing hearing. They would feel "nothing" . . . . just like she does. No emotional attachment to what they are feeling - just want it gone. Cut off its life source. Remove their feelings and the problem is solved. (IMO)
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DeMarte answers that Jodi did cheat some tests and Nurmi says "Is this the scheme you and Mr. Martinez cooked up?" #jodiarias #3tvarias
This is rediculous and insulting. He ain't no Juan Martinez. sigh nurmi your expert witnesses are the bottom of the barrel. Dr. DeMarte is the cream at the top.
is the mistrial about geff when Juan said MMC/witnesses #1 name? but didn't geff do the same?
This is rediculous and insulting. He ain't no Juan Martinez. sigh nurmi your expert witnesses are the bottom of the barrel. Dr. DeMarte is the cream at the top.
is the mistrial about geff when Juan said MMC/witnesses #1 name? but didn't geff do the same?
JA, 10/30/14
Asked various questions relating to what she felt listening/watching herself lie to Flores, the VM to Travis just after she murdered him, and about why she sent flowers and went to his memorial:
" I was very lost. I didn't really know how to act or what to do."
" I was trying to act normal."
" I was so stupid."
That's it.
Asked various questions relating to what she felt listening/watching herself lie to Flores, the VM to Travis just after she murdered him, and about why she sent flowers and went to his memorial:
" I was very lost. I didn't really know how to act or what to do."
" I was trying to act normal."
" I was so stupid."
That's it.
Geffner even helpfully provided a cheat sheet for JA, noting the trigger is domestic violence "here" but PTSD "there" ... or some such. Unless he has telepathy, Geffner and Nurmi talked at length.
Perhaps on face value, but taken in context, not a chance!
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Here's the latest Tweet from JA:
Jodi Arias Updates @JodiAnnArias · 8h 8 hours ago
Trial resumes Monday 2/9 - 9:30am MST #jodiarias #circustrial #witchtrial #abolishdeathpenalty
:gaah:
Blah blah blah.
Who cares what she has to say about the DP today? In the past she has said that she would beg for the DP. She has also said that it actually means "suicide" when she says it. Hopefully, someday it will have a very unambiguous and final definition to her.
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