Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Day 9

[Renee110]

I am pretty sure this will change once JM is up crossing this "expert"….
it's same ol' , same ol' with the DT - shooting out water spritzes and twisting, suggesting, implying….

Juan is so rapid with his delivery, and there is a point in every sentence, and there is no way on earth anyone is going to be able to keep up with him and give us a good, round picture of what is going on.. I'm so glad I'm a member of Beth's site. Hopefully she will be able to keep up. Hopefully she is recording with her iPhone or whatever she uses because as I said things will be moving at lightening speed and it's easy to miss things in that atmosphere. I wish I could go to AZ. I would go in a heartbeat if I could!

 

[LinasK]

I heart Joey Jackson. His fan page is really the only facebook one I follow that follows this trial. JoeyJackson Fans, it's a really uplifting page.

Facebook I do, just not Twitter.

 

[AZlawyer]

On cross, I think JM should bring up Jodi's final (post-murder) email to Travis and have Dr. F read every line and tell the jury how each line supports her theory about Jodi just desperately wanting Travis to treat her like a valuable person blah blah blah. And then ask Dr. F if it might also be important to know the CONTEXT of the damn email such as that it was written after Jodi had KILLED Travis and therefore perhaps, in context, it meant something different, like that she didn't want to be suspected of murder. And then ask her if it's possible she's missing some CONTEXT from those other emails that might alter her opinion.

 

[LambChop]

I think Nurmi is going to say one thing at the end of this trial. Jodi was running the show and I had to do as my client asked. It was the defense she wanted and that is what we provided for her. jmo

 

[Hatfield]

Can you even try to imagine being on trial with your life on the line, and not begging a jury to spare your life? I can't. I see where Nurmi is coming from, but if I were a juror, I would want to hear remorse spewing from her evil lips.

I totally agree.

Which is why I am really ok if she gets the DP at this point. She is literally asking for it by not admitting she was in the wrong and not showing remorse, and she is continually blasting the victim and making false allegations about him which hurts both his reputation and hurts his living family members.

I may have felt pity for her and been able to give her a life sentence but not with the defense path she is taking.

 

[MsJosie]

Nali, you don't have grammatical errors--I must confess I have been sneaking in to your posts and deleting most of the commas.

:dance:

I have noticed "something"...or "some thing", over the past years that spelling and punctuation has changed since I was in school (1950-1960). Commas are not used as much, like to set off phrases in sentences. Compound words....do they even exist "anymore" or "any more". I write like I was taught.

I think that is nice of you to delete the extra commas and help Nali learn our language, a true WS friend. Many friends from other lands have said American English is very hard to learn.

Thanks for helping her!

 

[LinTX]

Gaaawwwddd noooo!!! Help us all.

If Nurmi had his way, Arias would die of old age before she was sentenced.

Too lazy to find it again, but I read something like this on twitter yesterday:

"Jodi Arias will be the first woman in history to serve LWOP in the courtroom."

 

[TexMex]

My favorite tweet from yesterday (after several hours of email analysis)

@msesquirette: #JodiArias Dr. F says it's "not a perfect love because we're here". In a f-ing murder trial you nit wit. Who cares if he didn't love her!

 

[bsk]

I don't think it would be relevant, really, unless the defense somehow opens the door by suggesting that Travis never had the slightest concern about Jodi. Even so, it probably wouldn't be worth bringing in a whole new witness.

How does it work, if you can sum it up easily? It seems like the defense can do anything - they have a witness reading huge parts of the original trial who apparently never interviewed anyone giving opinions that appear to be made up on the fly. Juan can call the people whose minds she is reading as well as anyone like DeMarte who can refute her conclusions correct?

The whole thing is weird - it seems like the defense doesn't have anyone who wants to testify on JA's behalf unless they're being paid to more or less read a script. Isn't the jury left wondering "sheesh doesn't she have any family or friends or anyone who actually likes her who could get up and tell us some reason she should be kept alive?" The longer this goes on from the DT, the more obvious it becomes that she has nobody. Maybe that gets her some measure of sympathy, but it seems more likely to me that it leads a juror to believe no one will miss her when she's gone, so she might as well disappear.

Editing to add: Do you think Juan gets this witness to read big chunks of the other side of the original trial, such as ALV admitting that Travis was fearful because of JA's stalking behavior, Samuels admitting that maybe he should have run another test, etc.?

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Exactly. So far her mitigation effort is: Travis dumped me , played me, had sex even though he maintained he was a Morman virgin. It's all about Travis and how it's his fault. He made her upset. Next week we will be regaled, no doubt, with the abusive pedophile nonsense. She's trying to sell the jury that she did a public service to rid the world of a man who was a player, who bent her finger and who possibly would have molested children. It's outrageous.
If I were on her jury the ONLY thing that MIGHT make me consider LWOP instead of DP is if she stands up and admits to the premeditated, heinous murder of a nice guy. Then she would need to apologize to the family and friends, the investigators and the court for the way she and her counsel tried this case. Following that she would need to beg forgiveness from his family, her parents and her God.
Until something like that occurs, IMO, this jury will give her death

I suppose we will all grow old before she ever accepts full responsibility and apologizes. I myself have been played, and I myself have been a player.... I sure didn't ever consider butchering anyone. I just moved on.

 

[TexMex]

Juan is so rapid with his delivery, and there is a point in every sentence, and there is no way on earth anyone is going to be able to keep up with him and give us a good, round picture of what is going on.. I'm so glad I'm a member of Beth's site. Hopefully she will be able to keep up. Hopefully she is recording with her iPhone or whatever she uses because as I said things will be moving at lightening speed and it's easy to miss things in that atmosphere. I wish I could go to AZ. I would go in a heartbeat if I could!

I wonder if Dr. F has any idea what she's in for on cross? This testimony is like a softball sitting on a tee waiting for Derek Jeter to smash the hell out of it. Martinez is going to have a field day.

 

[Truth Detector]

I do wonder what punishment Travis would want for his killer...

He was much more forgiving than many, that's for sure.

A number of victims have refused to report or testify only to later regret their passivity when the perp went on to commit equally (or more) violent crimes against other victims.

If her execution could save one other person -- even another inmate -- wouldn't he be likely to support it?

 

[MeeBee]

On cross, I think JM should bring up Jodi's final (post-murder) email to Travis and have Dr. F read every line and tell the jury how each line supports her theory about Jodi just desperately wanting Travis to treat her like a valuable person blah blah blah. And then ask Dr. F if it might also be important to know the CONTEXT of the damn email such as that it was written after Jodi had KILLED Travis and therefore perhaps, in context, it meant something different, like that she didn't want to be suspected of murder. And then ask her if it's possible she's missing some CONTEXT from those other emails that might alter her opinion.

Holy crap, that would be so brilliant, especially if she's never seen that email before.

 

[Renee110]

I hope Juan can ask the friend of Travis (forgot which one) about Travis telling him the Sunday before his death, "If you don't hear from me it's because I am dead". Travis KNEW she was planning it. I just feel he knew in his heart.

Who WAS that? I've read people alluding to it, but I don't know who. And WHY couldn't that come in? Seriously? If I tell were to tell someone that, than I can tell you that I would have been dead serious. I don't and have not ever joked about being hurt by someone, or scared of someone. I can tell you right here and now that my husband would take me seriously and hurt someone if I told him I was scared. I get bucked off of horses and I can take some crap. If I were to tell him someone scared me like that I can guarantee he would take me seriously. Why would that kind of testimony, especially considering that Travis is DEAD not be allowed?

 

[bsk]

I don't know anything more than you guys but here's my opinion. I do think Jodi was on the stand that day and I do trust Troy Hayden. I don't know how that fits in with the "secret witness" deal, if it was some kind of set up for that or whatever. I wouldn't be surprised if the defense doesn't pepper their entire presentation w/ various appearances by the murderer with very limited questions so it could be something like that. Other than that, I'm in the dark like the rest of yas.

I know I'm really really really cynical, but is it possible that KN played this figuring the "secret" trial would get shut down, so he wanted to be able to try to get some sympathy for JA in a way that he'll argue Juan can't cross-examine because JSS/COA pulled the plug on her testifying as the judge had in effect promised she could?

That seems like a stretch, but then again it was a given that the press was going to fight it, and it seemed pretty likely the press would prevail. So he gets some freebie sympathetic testimony he was able to tailor and now will argue she needs to stay off the stand other than her allocution.

I dunno - the more I think about it....

 

[Truth Detector]

Well certainly she wouldn't want to grow up to be Snow White - she was soooo abuuuuusedddd!!!

I'm not so sure.

She certainly liked to be debased.

At least she said so on her 'sextortion' recording.

 

[Becky Sharp]

On cross, I think JM should bring up Jodi's final (post-murder) email to Travis and have Dr. F read every line and tell the jury how each line supports her theory about Jodi just desperately wanting Travis to treat her like a valuable person blah blah blah. And then ask Dr. F if it might also be important to know the CONTEXT of the damn email such as that it was written after Jodi had KILLED Travis and therefore perhaps, in context, it meant something different, like that she didn't want to be suspected of murder. And then ask her if it's possible she's missing some CONTEXT from those other emails that might alter her opinion.

Good idea, but she'd probably "theorize" with her special mind-reading skills that the email is actually more evidence that JA [man oh man, I always feel grubby when I type those two initials] is a victim of abuse and suffers from shattered self-esteem, and so on. :gaah:

 

[Hatfield]

I get it that JA may not want to admit to herself, but she could have lied (shes had practice) to the jury and faked remorse and fake that she is sorry.
She would have had more chance for LWOP doing that than what she is doing.

When this phase started, i honestly thought she had a pretty good chance of getting Life from a jury, but after what has been going on, I think the DP is coming her way.

 

[Truth Detector]

For those of us who don't use Twitter, can you please explain how hashtags are used? I always thought they were like keywords/search tags. Thanks.

1. "Using hashtags to categorize Tweets by keyword: People use thehashtag symbol # before a relevant keyword or phrase (no spaces) in their Tweet to categorize those Tweets and help them show more easily in Twitter Search. Clicking on a hashtagged word in any message shows you all other Tweets marked with that keyword."
   
   
2. [h=3]Source: Twitter Help Center | Using hashtags on Twitter[/h]https://support.twitter.com/articles/49309-using-hashtags-on-twitter
   
   
   

 

[AZlawyer]

How does it work, if you can sum it up easily? It seems like the defense can do anything - they have a witness reading huge parts of the original trial who apparently never interviewed anyone giving opinions that appear to be made up on the fly. Juan can call the people whose minds she is reading as well as anyone like DeMarte who can refute her conclusions correct?

The whole thing is weird - it seems like the defense doesn't have anyone who wants to testify on JA's behalf unless they're being paid to more or less read a script. Isn't the jury left wondering "sheesh doesn't she have any family or friends or anyone who actually likes her who could get up and tell us some reason she should be kept alive?" The longer this goes on from the DT, the more obvious it becomes that she has nobody. Maybe that gets her some measure of sympathy, but it seems more likely to me that it leads a juror to believe no one will miss her when she's gone, so she might as well disappear.

Well, the rules of evidence are suspended, although the judge can sort-of vaguely apply a standard called "indicia of reliability." But for things like this ridiculous expert testimony, JM is able to point out the obvious flaws in her "reasoning." And yes, he can call people to the stand who actually know some facts.

Copying from something I posted a couple of days ago--one of my favorite cross-examinations of a witness similar to this one, "mind-reading" the dead:

AZL: Doctor, did you ever get a chance to interview Mr. X?
Dr.: No, he was dead.
AZL: And did you ever interview anyone who had ever spoken to Mr. X?
Dr.: Um, no.
AZL: Actually did you ever even meet anyone who had ever met Mr. X or perhaps seen him across a crowded room?
Dr.: Um, no.
AZL: So if the next 12 witnesses who sit on that witness stand are people who not only met but spoke to Mr. X on a regular basis, wouldn't you agree that they would be in a better position than you are to say what he was thinking?
Dr. (arrogantly): No, because of my training and experience.
AZL: Oh, OK. Well, thank you for sharing your thoughts with us. I have no further questions.