Revisiting clues: are there any inconsistancies?

[Tugela]

True, but even a drug addled person wouldn't bother showing up for a job, if he was just palnning to walk right back out? Why waste the time? Wasn't it reported that he didn't verbally quit or offer an explanation? just went in and left? Did anybody witness what personal items he retrieved? If it was something big, maybe, but if it was something small, maybe not. Did he have a locker space or were his things just laying around somewhere? Also, who all was home the night before, and what times did they clock in and out of work? I doubt he would be worried about returning a uniform, so IMO, he needed to retrieve something.

That is kind of the problem. In order to explain the actions of various people and the time line it is necessary to invoke an intricate well planned plot, when in fact the POI is little better than a transient laborer, and the simplest defence would have been that she simply ran away.

So why go to all this trouble to create an alibi when simply doing nothing would have been much more effective.

 

[Tugela]

interesting...so he tested positive on Scurry county, that's where his gm lived, and according to reports, he went to his gm's that day. And this county is where Haleigh's remains were found...just like he tested positive on. Do I have this right?

This is what SA's lawyer had to say about that polygraph about a year ago:

Shawn's lawyer tells NewsWest 9 that he doesn't agree with the polygraph test he took last year and he approves of Shawn walking out.

"When a polygraph changes from what should just be a question and answer session to a screaming match where someone is being pressured to make a fake false confession, it has to be ended," Eyssen said.

So, that is the context for him walking out.

 

[Tugela]

When you find it Tugela, please provide a link.

As far as I know no one has done a freedom of information search for the warrant for SA's phone.

They had the records prior to the affidavits we do know about, so there must have been an earlier warrant.

It is possible that he gave permission for them to obtain the records, they might not have needed a warrant in that case.

 

[Tugela]

You have read both things because they told two versions of the story.

I have followed the case very closely since Day One. Back at the start of the case, Billie said she first found out that Hailey was having a sleepover when she walked in the door after work, and then SA said, hey, by the way, Hailey went to sleep over at MB's house. And Billie told us that she was mad because Hailey knew she was not supposed to go out without permission that day.

She got some flack for that scenario, with people asking WHY she never checked in with her, and why she never planned dinner or anything, if she thought Hailey was sitting home alone waiting for her. Especially considering that she and her boyfriend went to the ATM and took every last cent for drugs that night.

Suddenly there was a new version floated, where Shawn apparently called Billie at work after Hailey left, and told her about the sleepover. So that makes me wonder why she did not call MB's or call her son or Clint and have them go tell Hailey to come back home.

Anyway, that is another inconsistency, imo. The way that she found out that her daughter went to a sleepover has been told and retold in various scenarios.

Lol, from what we know about the dynamics of the family, I would say the first account was the accurate one, and the second damage control.

 

[swedie]

Shawn in Raw video part I claims he went to the job for the sole purpose of collecting his things. This implies his quitting was a planned thing. Was Billie aware he intended to quit his job that morning? Why did he quit? Has that been explained? Most people of middle class or modest means with two income home do not simply quit their job without having the next lined up. They just don't. The household finance tends to rely on both those incomes.

Or did Shawn quit his job that day because he had something or someone to deal with that he couldn't ask for day off?

I am really hung up on this convenient quitting of the job that morning.

Sorry I don't have a link to support this but BD did not know SA quit his job until sometime later. He left the house each day as if he was going to work. It may have been in one of her interviews or talk radio where she said that. HTH

 

[Crosby87]

Do we know about SA's cell pings the night before? The remains could have been dumped before SA went to work the next day. After he got the money did he buy a shovel or something?

That's a good question. We haven't heard anything about SA's cell pings Sunday night but if he left during the night, he likely knew to leave his cell phone at Billie's. I don't know how long it takes to drive to the lake from Billie's house, dispose of a body, and then go back, but Shawn had plenty of time during the night and he'd need to dispose of her asap. Driving to the lake and back would burn quite abit of gas so if he drove Billie's car, she might have noticed. I think if Shawn purchased a shovel, LE would know. There wasn't a shovel found in Billie's vehicle when LE checked it.

The night David leaves for a sleepover, Hailey vanishes. If Shawn was hiding an affair with Hailey from Billie, would he approach Hailey Sunday night if Billie was there? This is why I suspect BD is involved or knows something. Maybe BD permitted Shawn to cross the line with her daughter. Did SA and BD invite Hailey to party with them?

BD was taking prescribed medication so after she fell asleep, Shawn might have slipped into Hailey's room, done something to her and then moved her out of the house without Billie's knowledge because Billie acts like she doesn't have a clue what happened to Hailey.

No one reported seeing or hearing a vehicle leave Billie's house during the night but not many people would be up in the middle of the night.

I hope LE find the smoking gun which links the perp to the crime.

MOO

 

[swedie]

Billie was still at home 6:20 am when SA quit his job that morning at 6:10am. IIRC she got a ride with another employee. Although there are so many untruths and inconsistencies in BD's words, could it be she actually did not have anything to do with HD's demise?! Could it be SA left work, came back to the house and did the evil deed? Could it be BD was just taking everything SA said as truth because she was naive enough to believe he would never do anything to harm Hailey? Could it be she was afraid of SA? Could the fact that drugs and love and who know what else put blinders on BD and now that she is away from SA she realizes he very well could have killed Hailey?

Maybe now she is too afraid and embarrassed to admit she lied about so much and all the inconsistencies were ingrained in her head from things SA told her? Most mothers wouldn't stay with a guy who is named a suspect or POI in the disappearance of her beautiful teenage daughter but then BD isn't like most mothers IMHO. Insecure, low self esteem, drugs, portraying a very young imagine, younger man, maybe jealous of HD??? I wish we had the answers. Hopefully sooner than later we will get truth on what happened in this case.

According to information provided in one of the affidavits, Adkins' telephone records dispute his claim he visited his mother on the morning of Dec. 27, the day he told authorities he last saw Hailey.

Police say he lied about losing his job. He said he had an altercation with his supervisor and that he lost his job. When police contacted the employer they were told Adkins had not lost his job, and that he had come in for just a few moments early on Dec. 27. Witnesses said he left work at 6:10 a.m.

Adkins told investigators he went straight to his mother's house in Big Spring, about 40 miles west of Colorado City. But, records show calls made from Adkins' cell phone were placed from Colorado City between 6:35 a.m. and 6:56 a.m..

"According to all reports, Hailey Dunn would have been alone in the residence during this time period," the affidavit said, noting that witnesses and records show Billie Dunn left for work at 6:20 a.m.

http://www.examiner.com/article/hai...named-person-of-interest-teen-s-disappearance

 

[swedie]

A lot of information is this article dated
FEBRUARY 27, 2011

While townspeople in Colorado City and others following the case of the missing Texas teen, Hailey Dunn, were already up in arms about the Dunn family saga over the past week including the discovery of child *advertiser censored* and bestiality in her mother's dresser, they were furious to learn that Billie Dunn, Hailey's mother, planned to take Shawn Adkins, the only suspect in her daughter's disappearance, with her when she spoke at an anti-human trafficking rally Saturday.

Those plans fell through when the organization that invited her and her ex-husband, Clint Dunn, to speak, Traffick 911, canceled Billie's appearance after learning over 300 photos and videos containing child *advertiser censored* and bestiality were found in Billie’s bedroom dresser. Some 109,000 similar photos and videos were found on a computer confiscated from Adkin's mother's home.

http://www.examiner.com/article/sti...s-safe-return-shawn-adkins-breaks-his-silence

 

[katydid23]

Billie was still at home 6:20 am when SA quit his job that morning at 6:10am. IIRC she got a ride with another employee. Although there are so many untruths and inconsistencies in BD's words, could it be she actually did not have anything to do with HD's demise?! Could it be SA left work, came back to the house and did the evil deed? Could it be BD was just taking everything SA said as truth because she was naive enough to believe he would never do anything to harm Hailey? Could it be she was afraid of SA? Could the fact that drugs and love and who know what else put blinders on BD and now that she is away from SA she realizes he very well could have killed Hailey?

Maybe now she is too afraid and embarrassed to admit she lied about so much and all the inconsistencies were ingrained in her head from things SA told her? Most mothers wouldn't stay with a guy who is named a suspect or POI in the disappearance of her beautiful teenage daughter but then BD isn't like most mothers IMHO. Insecure, low self esteem, drugs, portraying a very young imagine, younger man, maybe jealous of HD??? I wish we had the answers. Hopefully sooner than later we will get truth on what happened in this case.

According to information provided in one of the affidavits, Adkins' telephone records dispute his claim he visited his mother on the morning of Dec. 27, the day he told authorities he last saw Hailey.

Police say he lied about losing his job. He said he had an altercation with his supervisor and that he lost his job. When police contacted the employer they were told Adkins had not lost his job, and that he had come in for just a few moments early on Dec. 27. Witnesses said he left work at 6:10 a.m.

Adkins told investigators he went straight to his mother's house in Big Spring, about 40 miles west of Colorado City. But, records show calls made from Adkins' cell phone were placed from Colorado City between 6:35 a.m. and 6:56 a.m..

"According to all reports, Hailey Dunn would have been alone in the residence during this time period," the affidavit said, noting that witnesses and records show Billie Dunn left for work at 6:20 a.m.

http://www.examiner.com/article/hai...named-person-of-interest-teen-s-disappearance

That [BBM] ^^^ is what I based my theory on. I believe that he made sure Billie had plenty of pain pills Sunday night. That was also the first night that Hailey slept alone in her own room, instead of the living room. Shawn had suggested Billie buy Hailey a TV for her room, so she would not sleep on the couch anymore.

So [ my speculation]Sunday night late, Shawn snuck into Hailey's bedroom. He told her she better not tell anyone, or else. Then Monday morning, he had an awful fear that she was going to wake up and tell someone, like her dad or brother. So he left his job and came home after Billie left.

He woke up Hailey to see if she was angry or maybe to see if she even remembered. He might have drugged her Sunday night as well. Sadly, things went sideways and he decided to get rid of her. JMO

 

[swedie]

That [BBM] ^^^ is what I based my theory on. I believe that he made sure Billie had plenty of pain pills Sunday night. That was also the first night that Hailey slept alone in her own room, instead of the living room. Shawn had suggested Billie buy Hailey a TV for her room, so she would not sleep on the couch anymore.

So Sunday night late, Shawn snuck into Hailey's bedroom. He told her she better not tell anyone, or else. Then Monday morning, he had an awful fear that she was going to wake up and tell someone, like her dad or brother. So he left his job and came home after Billie left.

He woke up Hailey to see if she was angry or maybe to see if she even remembered. He might have drugged her as well. Sadly, things went sideways and he decided to get rid of her. JMO

Your theory works katy. I've been searching for an article which came out way back when HD first went missing. In that article there was something which really bothered me. IIRC SA's mom said SA told her HD went missing on the Monday. He was at his mom's house on the Monday and had reported to his mom HD was missing even before she was reported missing to LE by BD. Anyone else remember this story? So if that was the case, did SA premeditate doing something to HD? I will keep looking for that article

 

[katydid23]

Your theory works katy. I've been searching for an article which came out way back when HD first went missing. In that article there was something which really bothered me. IIRC SA's mom said SA told her HD went missing on the Monday. He was at his mom's house on the Monday and had reported to his mom HD was missing even before she was reported missing to LE by BD. Anyone else remember this story? So if that was the case, did SA premeditate doing something to HD? I will keep looking for that article

I remember that too. I have had a hard time finding old articles like that because many of the articles were 'updated' and they just erased the old versions and added the new info. So we lost a lot of those early versions of the stories they told.

We might have to look in the old threads for the info.

 

[Tugela]

Usually the "erased" bits are erased because they have subsequently been found to be inaccurate.

 

[For The Kids]

I remember how outraged we all were when the timeline changed regarding when BD claimed she was told about the alleged sleepover.

I also remember how aggravated LE were that what should have been simple facts, were changing.

"The family has not been forthcoming," said Senior DPS Trooper Sparky Dean. "Their discernment of the truth continues to change. It's very frustrating."

"At this point, we aren't positive if she went missing (on that) Sunday, Monday, or even Tuesday," Dean said during a news conference on Jan. 9.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=329706

I 100% believe that it will come out that it was Sunday evening she was killed.

 

[tlcya]

Those "inconsistencies" were taken from the affidavit, we don't know what any of those people really said. The affidavit is what the affiant has paraphrased as best they can recall, essentially it is hearsay. It is not first hand and may not be correct. The only correct statement/version are those made directly by the people involved, and as far as SA is concerned that has not changed.

There are significant reasons to believe that the affidavits may not be accurate, since they do not provide any specifics about what SA said, only what they understood him to have said. For example, when they talk about SA's trip from work to his mother's house, they provide no details except that that was where he went eventually. It implies that they didn't ask specific details about the trip, such as which route and how long it took, stuff like that. You would have expected a diligent investigator to ask questions like that, but they apparently did not, at least they have given no indication that they have. If they did, they would have included that as direct solid evidence that he was being untruthful in the affidavit if he said he took route X, but phone records put him on route Y. But there is nothing like that, and all through the affidavit, the supposed lies are in a similar vein: no detail about what SA claimed. Instead it was inference by LE compared against evidence from other sources, and from that basis LE concluded that he was lieing.

As an exercise in logical argument, this is very troubling.

I have been pointing this out from when the affidavits were first released. Much later SA has been interviewed, and his version is they didn't ask these specifics. His timeline is reasonable and is in agreement with what we know from phone call routing records pinging back to various towers. So, I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt about that.

Now, what did he say in the actual interviews? Hopefully LE recorded those, and if so, it will be very clear if SA changed his story or not. But for now, in the absence of those recordings, and the clear lapses in the affidavit, there is no way anyone can say the story has changed, because we only have one version.

I do understand your POV. I simply have another. I feel that SA saying the inconsistencies exist because LE did not question him right is less believable than than the idea that LE did question him properly and find holes in the stories they were being given. you seem to feel that SA is correct, LE did not question him properly.

We shall agree to disagree, I shall not move you from your opinion nor you from mine.

 

[For The Kids]

That's a good question. We haven't heard anything about SA's cell pings Sunday night but if he left during the night, he likely knew to leave his cell phone at Billie's. I don't know how long it takes to drive to the lake from Billie's house, dispose of a body, and then go back, but Shawn had plenty of time during the night and he'd need to dispose of her asap. Driving to the lake and back would burn quite abit of gas so if he drove Billie's car, she might have noticed. I think if Shawn purchased a shovel, LE would know. There wasn't a shovel found in Billie's vehicle when LE checked it.

The night David leaves for a sleepover, Hailey vanishes. If Shawn was hiding an affair with Hailey from Billie, would he approach Hailey Sunday night if Billie was there? This is why I suspect BD is involved or knows something. Maybe BD permitted Shawn to cross the line with her daughter. Did SA and BD invite Hailey to party with them?

BD was taking prescribed medication so after she fell asleep, Shawn might have slipped into Hailey's room, done something to her and then moved her out of the house without Billie's knowledge because Billie acts like she doesn't have a clue what happened to Hailey.

No one reported seeing or hearing a vehicle leave Billie's house during the night but not many people would be up in the middle of the night.

I hope LE find the smoking gun which links the perp to the crime.

MOO

Shawn also acts like e doesn't have a clue what happened to Hailey. I believe he knows what happened but as to what his involvement was I don't know. Like Knox said people are going to be surprised at what comes out and IMO just how much lieing there has been by people connected to this.

 

[Kimster]

The *rumors* from sites not allowed here AND the innuendos about people other than Shawn being involved have been removed. :nono:

This thread is about facts. If Billie said something that was later disproved, you can post that here with your links. You just can't say that this makes it obvious she had involvement. (In other words, she could have been lying, elaborating, repeating what someone else said, doesn't know how to communicate, etc. Yet, it was said and deserves to be mentioned when trying to find out the truth).

 

[dodie20]

can someone clarify something for me? It was reported that Hailey was seen on the phone, (in the yard), the day she was last seen. She was reportedly using her mother's cell phone. Up thread, I read that SA heard about Haleigh's disappearance from Hailey's brother. He supposedly tried to call BD, but her son, who apparently now had the phone, answered instead. ok, was it normal for Hailey to leave without a phone? Was the brother at home when SA called him, or was he gone with the phone? Also, why did SA assume BD would have her cell, when she had acces to a phone at work? (and in the process leave her kids with no phone).Did she normally take her cell to work? I remember her saying that she and SA texted while she was at work... What I'm wondering is if her leaving the phone was out of the ordinary, and why Hailey wouldn't have taken it with her...since the family would have still had access to a phone, via SA. Was any of this ever explained? Even when Hailey was 1st reported missing, I was confused by all of this. thanks

 

[SilverGirl]

http://www.sweetwaterreporter.com/sites/default/files/Billie Dunn timeline.PDF

Thanks for posting this timeline. I am looking at this case with a set of fresh eyes and find it has so many inconsistencies that it's sometimes easier to see the few aspects that haven't changed.

One example in the timeline linked above is the eyewitness account of seeing Hailey at 8:30pm on Dec. 27, 2010. If the person did see Hailey with two others walking on Hickory St. wouldn't it also be true that SA wasn't the last person to see her before she disappeared? I can't help but notice that Hailey is seen three times that day. Two of those sightings place her with other people. Has anyone stepped forward and said they were with Hailey that day? Or have the sightings been established as a case of mistaken identity?

Another thing that gives me pause here is in the link below. It is chilling to find out that SA has never been able to produce his work uniform when investigators asked for it.

http://www.newswest9.com/story/22093978/billie-dunn-says-in-last-newswest-9-interview-that-shawn-adkins-had-something-to-do-with-haileys-disappearance

 

[tlcya]

so many questions. Since we have never seen confirmation that those other sightings panned out to be Hailey, what is LE's last time of seen. Or have they found time in the last couple of years to update the public on that very important info?

I personally prefer BeanE's timeline in my siggy. I am often more trusting of our member's comprehensive timelines than those from news sources.

 

[Knox]

The reason this timeline is interesting is because it is Billie's own timeline. Remember, she called her own press conference in the front yard of her home. Typed it up and gave it to the reporter's herself. It may come back on her in a big way in the future.

http://www.sweetwaterreporter.com/sites/default/files/Billie Dunn timeline.PDF